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Murray Gold's back for the 60th anniversary. No word if he's working on Series 14 yet, but I imagine it'll happen.

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AND and it was still better than what we've got since. Capaldi was a great doctor screwed over by a show runner's weariness, overreach, and the coming troon storm. Say what you will about some episodes of Davis and Moffat (and we can), but anything after ' Twice Upon a Time' just isn't worth talking about at this point.

God, I wish Tennant had just stayed away. You know it will be bad, just fucking why?
Capaldi was the best by far, but it's so hard to point to why apart from the story with literally no one else in it so Moffatt could just get out of his own way with terrible side characters. "Listen" was good too, but he monologued to the camera in that one so that was another weird departure from mormal Who where you were more right there with the character.

That's it, he's my favorite new era Doctor and there are only two stories I'd tell anyone to watch. The running plotline through his first season was great for his character. I never got Matt Smith and Clara but the way she and Capaldi couldn't figure out how to care about each other since it wasn't predicated on "they so want to fuck but can't" and kept fucking up trying to help was heartbreaking at points. It's not Doctor Who, but I liked it for what it was, they're both excellent actors. And then Bill and Nardole were much more likeable than they should have been.
 
Capaldi was the best by far, but it's so hard to point to why apart from the story with literally no one else in it so Moffatt could just get out of his own way with terrible side characters. "Listen" was good too, but he monologued to the camera in that one so that was another weird departure from mormal Who where you were more right there with the character.

That's it, he's my favorite new era Doctor and there are only two stories I'd tell anyone to watch. The running plotline through his first season was great for his character. I never got Matt Smith and Clara but the way she and Capaldi couldn't figure out how to care about each other since it wasn't predicated on "they so want to fuck but can't" and kept fucking up trying to help was heartbreaking at points. It's not Doctor Who, but I liked it for what it was, they're both excellent actors. And then Bill and Nardole were much more likeable than they should have been.
Bringing Matt Lucas back and making him a full time companion so he could flesh out the character more was probably the best decision of that era.
 
Murray Gold's back for the 60th anniversary.
I think we can agree this is at least a win? Or does Gold have dirt on him?
Capaldi was the best by far, but it's so hard to point to why apart from the story with literally no one else in it so Moffatt could just get out of his own way with terrible side characters. "Listen" was good too, but he monologued to the camera in that one so that was another weird departure from mormal Who where you were more right there with the character.
Capaldi was a doctor who fanboy who wrote embarrassing letters to magazines. Like Tennant, he loved the role. That's why he and other doctors were good. Passion. All the actors before Jodi at least cared. Even fucking Eccleston cared to some degree. Bad scripts could be at least tolerated by performance, and even hated #6 got his dues in time by Big Finnish (I'll admit I haven't touch that yet, but I know there's some bangers).
And then Bill and Nardole were much more likeable than they should have been.
I was pleasantly surprised by how much I liked Bill and Nardole. The gay shit was a bit on the nose but holy fuck that shits subtle compared to today. I can only imagine the fuckery the troon will be.

Say what you will, I can at least define Bill's personality with more than just "GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY"
 
Didn't Eccleston quit because he was really pissed about the quality of scripts?
Thats funny if true since he started with Big Finish and have arguably the same or worse scripts quality wise.
 
Pretty sure Chris Claremont was using Doctor Who for plotpoints for his XMen run
Wrong show. Claremont ripped off Avengers (most notably for the Hellfire Club) for plots not Doctor Who.

That being said, Claremont was a Who fan and used the fact that Marvel had the Doctor Who comic rights in the 80s to do a stealth crossover in Uncanny X-Men #217-218 via having the Brigadier and the UNIT boys (Benton and Yates) cameo in that story (with the art drawn so that we only saw the back side of the Brigadier and Benton/Yates drawn without faces as background extras the Brigadier talked to) show up for a fight with the Juggernaut. Not to mention that he had a UNIT rip-off literally called WHO as supporting cast characters in Excalibur complete with two sibling characters whose names were variations of Alistair Stewart.

They need someone intelligent enough to ask questions of the Doctor so the writer can explain things to the audience, but it doesn't work very well if the companion comes from a time where they would be baffled by things like electricity or space travel. I don't think that women would be unable to sympathize with some girl from the 1800s, but it would much harder to write for the character.

Having said that, I'm not a woman and the one thing I think is weird about the new Doctor Who is how much focus there is on the companions and their friends and families and how much the companions want to smooch the Doctor. I guess that's why the female fan base has increased from the old days, but it's still weird to read discussions about which Doctor is the cutest and which companion he should be dating. Even in the old days when some of the companions were explicitly billed as "something for the dads to look at", they were rarely treated as mere sex objects.

Blame RTD on that. It's widely been joked that Rose Tyler was his Mary Sue stand-in and that his decision to push HARD the shipping with Rose and Nine/Ten was him power flexing and self-inserting himself dating the Doctor. And kept going with this as the influx of shippers gave Doctor Who a much needed hook for the normie crowd that the BBC desperate sought with the revival. And didn't fully end until Capaldi came onboard.

Didn't Eccleston quit because he was really pissed about the quality of scripts?

We still don't know the full 100% story about why Eccleston left the show like he did, but the commonly accepted story that most believe to be the truth, that has floated around over the years was that it wasn't the scripts but RTD being utterly over his head making season one and acting like an asshole while doing so, and in the process cost Eccleston serious money as a result.

Eccleston was signed on to play Voldemort in Harry Potter 4 before signing up to do Doctor Who. The plan was that after filming season one, that Eccleston was going to go straight to the set of Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire. Eccleston had apparently pushed hard to get the Voldemort role, because he knew the money he would make in it would make him set for life and allow him to do whatever the fuck role he wanted, as far as the residuals from the Harry Potter films ensuring that he never would have to chase money doing shitty film roles for a quick paycheck ever again.

But RTD was an incompetent showrunner who had never worked on a series like Doctor Who which had a LOT of work going on production-wise that RTD just wasn't ready to handle. And from additional stories, RTD was a huge prick to lower level production staff folk which pissed off Eccleston since he was a veteran actor and didn't hold his tongue when it came to calling out RTD for being an obnoxious asshole to low level folks since it was a sign of RTD being a bad boss to work for, as far as the notion that you can tell the quality of a production by how the top guy treats the lowliest of the workers.

But the final straw was that because of RTD being utterly unprepared to be a showrunner, production of season one went beyond the scheduled end date right into when Eccleston was supposed to show up on the set of Goblet of Fire. And as such, Eccleston was forced to give up the role of Voldemort (and that sweet sweet Harry Potter money that would ensure Eccleston would never have to slum again) and wait until RTD got his shit together and finished filming season one. At which point Eccleston (who supposedly was signed for one season but with an option to come back) said "fuck this shit, I'm not re-upping for another year" and quit the show and forced RTD to have to give Tennet a ring and get him to sign up for season two.

Moffat couldn't resist trying to be subversive with Hell Bent and really didn't want Clara to stay dead. Everything involving the Doctor defying the Time Lords when he was staying at the barn was compelling, but it really goes downhill after he becomes President and demands the extraction chamber.
Clara's ending always felt like a huge "fuck you" to RTD and what he did to Donna. Where RTD had Doctor right away lobotomize Donna and took away her memories of her time with the Doctor without even trying to find an alternative cure or at least allowing her the option of death once she realized how much she would mentally regress back to being a horrible person, Moffatt seemed to take the stance that the Doctor should have moved heaven and earth nad even remove his own memories if necessary than hurt his companion like that.
 
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Eccleston was signed on to play Voldemort in Harry Potter 4 before signing up to do Doctor Who. The plan was that after filming season one, that Eccleston was going to go straight to the set of Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire. Eccleston had apparently pushed hard to get the Voldemort role, because he knew the money he would make in it would make him set for life and allow him to do whatever the fuck role he wanted, as far as the residuals from the Harry Potter films ensuring that he never would have to chase money doing shitty film roles for a quick paycheck ever again.
Do you have a source for this or is it yet more shit you've fabricated from your own fumes?

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I recall chatter at the time of Eccleston being tired of GAY EVERYWHERE, or RTD was some manner of screwup and Eccleston was like "fuck this", or Eccleston was only signed up for one season from the start
 
I am so confused by this poor series now

Why is Tennant another regeneration of the doctor instead of a temporally-displaced version of the 10th/some kind of doppelganger/literally any other explanation? Why did they make the black dude the 15th instead of just sticking to him as the 14th? Are they going to retcon the Timeless Child or just pretend it never happened? Are these questions answered within the show? There's no way I'm watching more Jodie to find out, I could barely make it through her first few episodes.

Everything I'm seeing about the show now just make it seem like it's in a desperate spiral, trying to bank on nostalgia hard while simultaneously soiling any good memories of said nostalgia by pushing an agenda and continuing to pump out mediocrity. A return to the 70s logo for some reason, bringing back Tennant because he was popular, bringing back Murray Gold and redesigning enemies to look like they used to instead of something new-

I haven't been following it very closely since it's a bit painful to watch, but scrolling through the thread kind of just confirms what I was thinking.

Anyways, I'm wondering if we ever got any more news on the 15th (doctor). We know some things like how he dresses and what his companion looks and sounds like, but is there anything more?
 
I am so confused by this poor series now

Why is Tennant another regeneration of the doctor instead of a temporally-displaced version of the 10th/some kind of doppelganger/literally any other explanation? Why did they make the black dude the 15th instead of just sticking to him as the 14th? Are they going to retcon the Timeless Child or just pretend it never happened? Are these questions answered within the show? There's no way I'm watching more Jodie to find out, I could barely make it through her first few episodes.

Everything I'm seeing about the show now just make it seem like it's in a desperate spiral, trying to bank on nostalgia hard while simultaneously soiling any good memories of said nostalgia by pushing an agenda and continuing to pump out mediocrity. A return to the 70s logo for some reason, bringing back Tennant because he was popular, bringing back Murray Gold and redesigning enemies to look like they used to instead of something new-

I haven't been following it very closely since it's a bit painful to watch, but scrolling through the thread kind of just confirms what I was thinking.

Anyways, I'm wondering if we ever got any more news on the 15th (doctor). We know some things like how he dresses and what his companion looks and sounds like, but is there anything more?
The real reason for RTD and Tennant returning to Doctor Who is because the Doctor Who New series is RTDs legacy

The concept of older doctors returning as later regenerations was set up by the Tom Baker Curator doctor

The Timeless Child will be forgotten or retconned especially in expanded media since the Cartmel Masterplan is kind of canon with the Lungbarrow book with the Doctor being the reincarnation of the Other

The sixtieth anniversary special bringing back old elements is nothing new and a way of celebrating the past of Doctor Who with Murray Gold being back as a part of RTDs team and being a iconic part of the New Series

Nobody really knew what any of the Doctors from the New Series were going to end up like except maybe Capaladi
 
The concept of older doctors returning as later regenerations was set up by the Tom Baker Curator doctor
I forgot that the Curator was still a Doctor, whoops. Still feels a bit shallow and pandering to me, but at least it isn't totally unprecedented in-canon.
Nobody really knew what any of the Doctors from the New Series were going to end up like except maybe Capaladi
Seeing as I only caught up on the series by the time Capaldi was just coming around this makes sense. I thought the mystery surrounding Jodie was just because of her gender, not a standard for new regenerations.
 
it's in a desperate spiral, trying to bank on nostalgia hard while simultaneously soiling any good memories of said nostalgia by pushing an agenda and continuing to pump out mediocrity.
Yes.
Anyways, I'm wondering if we ever got any more news on the 15th (doctor). We know some things like how he dresses and what his companion looks and sounds like, but is there anything more?
What does it matter? In current_year there is 0% chance it will be any good.
 
So I know very little about Doctor Who as a whole, but this seems like the sort of thing everyone who hate.
The special (read: retarded) effects in this video legit look like a low budget youtube ASMR roleplay. Like a worse version of Atmosphere ASMR:

And then Bill and Nardole were much more likeable than they should have been.

Back when the episodes aired I remember hating Bill for shoehorning the fact that she’s a lesbian into like every other piece of dialogue. I don’t understand people that like her.
 
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