Dr. Who

  • Want to keep track of this thread?
    Accounts can bookmark posts, watch threads for updates, and jump back to where you stopped reading.
    Create account
But some of the stories were trash. Got to admit though, that end scene with Perri in Trial of a Timelord was enough to give me nightmares.
Also why you can never really fully explore and explain Timelords. The more we know about them, the more rules they are bound by, the less mysterious and terrifying they become.

There’s something about our protagonist being the most intelligent being in the universe capable of impossible wonders…

…and everyone else on their home planet can run rings around them in their sleep

I also miss The Doctor being an old man honestly. Because that’s how I always read the first doctor. A classic old person that wanted to do fun stuff before he dies. It certaintly explained why he took his Granddaughter with him.
 
I also miss The Doctor being an old man honestly. Because that’s how I always read the first doctor. A classic old person that wanted to do fun stuff before he dies. It certaintly explained why he took his Granddaughter with him.
It was his first life so it would make sense he would be very hesitant to end it. After that he did go through them relatively quickly
 
…and everyone else on their home planet can run rings around them in their sleep
If they really could then why did he usually get away with everything? And even when he didn't and they exiled him to Earth (which was basically being sentenced to his favorite place) and brainwiped him (that was Pertwee), eventually shit got fucked up enough they had to bring him back (and his memories) because only he could deal with the fucked up bullshit the Time Lords (or as I like to call them Time Idiots) had inflicted on themselves.
 
If they really could then why did he usually get away with everything?
Always took it as in the grand scheme of things they did not give an f what he did to the wider universe. Unless it was real dire. And while we the viewer might think that is rather frequent in universe it’s not and most of the time it’s just the Time Lord equivilent of a schoolyard argument. I don’t think one Master vs every ither Time Idiot is a fight he can win even if he is stupidly smart.

It’s what made Rassilon is the End of Time so good. Master had achived totaly unbeatable victory and he just turns up and beats it by flicking his wrist casually.

I view Time War as so crazy they were trying everything. Speaking of, the Big Finish Audio Master run of that time period were rather fun
 
Last edited:
Honestly, if I could regenerate I probably would try suicide at least once. Not because I'm depressed, but because I'm part of a race who exists to spite God.
what if dying was painful and regenerating changes your face and personality? Plus that tiny voice in your head that tells you that you may not regenerate and will just die?
 
Last edited:
It’s what made Rassilon is the End of Time so good. Master had achived totaly unbeatable victory and he just turns up and beats it by flicking his wrist casually.
Rassilon is, was, probably will be, I think I'd have to invent pluperfect tense and the like to say how much Rassilon is, just basically is, a complete faggot. Fuck Rassilon.
 
Would regenerating be like Star Trek teleportation where there's a moral quandary if the person is the same person after the event?
 
what if dying was painful and regenerating changes your face and personality?
you’d probably still do it at least once

and it might not have to be painful. Every time we see The Doctor do it it’s brought on because they are about to die or by force so it’s deliberately painful.

I wonder if a Timelord has just gone to sleep peaceful one night and woken up as a new person?
 
Would regenerating be like Star Trek teleportation where there's a moral quandary if the person is the same person after the event?
This was actually Twelve's first arc. Not literally of course, but the fact that he had shed his defensive nature that Ten and Eleven put up to deal with their trauma and was just letting it all hang out (hence why he looked older, he had no reason to pretend any more). There's definitely room for a story with a cold open about the Doctor regenerating and having COMPLETE amnesia, though. Not every new Doctor needs to hang out for entire seasons, you could have one for a single special to explore this idea.
 
There's definitely room for a story with a cold open about the Doctor regenerating and having COMPLETE amnesia, though. Not every new Doctor needs to hang out for entire seasons, you could have one for a single special to explore this idea.
you mean for more then half an episode, right?
 
I too miss the Doctor being part of this society and species of similar-ish beings. I distinctly remember Romana's snappy little put down when they met:

Romana: "Well I did graduate from the academy with a triple first."
Doctor: "I suppose you think we should be impressed by that."
Romana: "Well it's better than scraping through with 51% at the second attempt"
Doctor: "That information is confidential!"

:D

See though, the fact that there are a society of his peers that are as intelligent as the Doctor is, and as (or usually more) educated, doesn't actually detract from the Doctor's specialness. Because they're mostly stuffy old academics interested, inward looking, chronically prone to inaction. The Doctor is special not because he's smarter than them but because he is more bored and so goes out and seeks experience. We see this when Romana first joins him. She is unquestionably more educated than he is and arguably may be more intelligent. But she lacks his unorthodoxy and real-universe experience (to begin with). So she has an arc as well. It's fun to see her adapt and she quickly comes up to be an equal partner to him. In her own very delightful and playful way.

The Time Lords as written are much like the wizards in Terry Pratchett's Discworld novels - lots of power and knowledge but just institutionalised and rarely looking outward into the world. And it's probably no coincidence that both franchises are British because in American culture power is expected to be associated with the use of that power. You think of presidents and wall street kings... but in Britain the hidebound, sleepy establishment, royals, etc. were a thing that both the Who writers and Pratchett were likely familiar with. There's no more petty and self-involved politics than Academic politics.

That's why they had to bring back Rassillon to lead them in the Time War. Yes, he's a genius, smart even by their standards. But the real quality he brought was he was from their past as a species of active, ambitious people. It's also why they turn to the Doctor to do things. None of them want to risk their own necks, half of them think it's beneath them to get involved and privately, nearly all of them probably think the Doctor with all his experience and insane risk taking (from their point of view) will do it better than they could.

I think the Time War and loss of the Time Lords was a good call to begin with. It gave Ecclestone and Tenant some real emotive drive behind their characters that they did great work with. Eleven too, in a different way ("the man who regrets and the man who forgets"). It led to really dramatic moments like Martha telling the Doctor that Professor Yana had a chameleon watch and the frantic race to him before he opened it (unsuccessfully). But some of the later handling was really bad. I particularly disliked making them this semi-evil group that we see by the end of Capaldi's run. Though I actually liked their intervention with Eleven when they granted him the new regeneration cycle.

For all that Hurt is a brilliant actor and he did well with the role, it should have been Eight in the 50th anniversary. He should have become the War doctor.

And while I'm sperging about Time Lords and regeneration I'll just give my two takes on both. Firstly, I like how the rebels and exiles from Time Lord society have a defining name. If you notice, those still part of Time Lord society have names. The rebels/exiles are "The Doctor", "The Master," "The Rani"... there's also a reference to "The Corsair" at one point. I like it. The second take is that Regeneration makes great sense to me. For a species that lives along as the Time Lords and has the potential for such stagnancy, regeneration shakes things up in their lives. I imagine in their society proper, regeneration is an orderly and prepared for event. The Time Lord is 800, maybe 900 years old. Their body is wearing down, their set in their ways and career. The last couple of centuries have pretty much been the same year to year. They talk to their friends, say goodbye, if they have a partner they don't know if they'll still want to be wed to that partner afterwards or vice versa. They go somewhere quiet, close their eyes for the last time and - unlike the Doctor - meditate and try to guide their new regeneration. The thing with regeneration is that they keep their memories, they retain core values. But the box gets shaken up and that's a good thing.

Regeneration as a concept has always fascinated me. To take what you've learned, to retain your values but to just rearrange things and say: "Okay, this version of me has had its run. Lets see what a different approach can do with these things."
 
Because they're mostly stuffy old academics interested, inward looking, chronically prone to inaction.
I've seen standard Time Lords compared to more distinct figures like the Doctor and assorted others suggested to be in some ways as the equivalent of standard issue academics vs those who actually go out into the field to prove their theories. Or if you wanted to go on a different route more rooted in older works the Doctor is a Phileas Fogg style character in contrast to his peers in the Reform Club. Someone not just willing to make big assertions but prove they are possible.
Firstly, I like how the rebels and exiles from Time Lord society have a defining name. If you notice, those still part of Time Lord society have names. The rebels/exiles are "The Doctor", "The Master," "The Rani"... there's also a reference to "The Corsair" at one point.
You could argue that's reflective of the society. A lot of it tend to be fairly dull and faceless, people who fill roles. The leaders have individual identities, possibly obtained over the course of multiple regenerations. Those distinct from their society have combined their role and identity into something not exactly right with the society they come from. The Doctor reaching out to other species, the Master seeking dominion. I don't know if the Rani was specified as having a meaning in some language or another that meant they were similarly as defined, the Corsair never got a clear definition either but given the name is one with piratical significance it's possibly they were a plunderer of some kind or another, perhaps with exploratory tendencies too.
 
I always liked doctor #2 and him being the cosmic hobo (not space-jesus). Plus there was something... neat to see this character who is clearly so much smarter and wiser than most humans, yet is considered a dunce among his own kind. A sign of just how powerful and intelligent the Time Lords were.

Plus it also conveyed an important point that, contra what moviebob believes, morality is not based upon a intellect, and anybody can tell what is right and wrong. Hence why he always brought some humans along, because even we stupid monkeys could remind him of what the straight and narrow was.

The time lords were best as a distant force with concerns too far above us.
 
Last edited:
I too miss the Doctor being part of this society and species of similar-ish beings. I distinctly remember Romana's snappy little put down when they met:
I liked the little exchange about her brooch between Missy and Clara in The Witch's Familiar:

"Dark star alloy. Goes though armour plating like a knife through people. It's pretty though, isn't it? Got it in the olden days of Gallifrey... The Doctor gave it to me when my daughter..." then she gets interrupted by a Dalek.

I don't need or want lore sperged all over the place like with Chinball. Little bits and pieces sprinkled around is fine, some things are better left unknown. The Master/Missy is a good conduit for stuff like this because if you really don't like what they are saying then you can ignore it because of the raging insanity at the heart of the character.
 
In my rewatching of the classic series, I reached the 4th doctor story "The Ark in Space". Unfortunatly I had two choices: a) use the xvid copy I had previously downloaded which seemed very fuzzy/blurry and with the original exterior model shots OR there is b) download a different copy which had a clearer picture but with CGI replacing the chroma keyed exterior shots. I ended up choosing b and the cgi was a bit jarring. I don't know if the blu ray release of season 12 at all has the option to watch that story either way, but apparantly the DVD version of the story did have both the original effects and the cgi versions. I know I eventually want to grab blu ray copies, but I don't have anything that actually plays them.
 
Last edited:
Back
Top Bottom