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BetterFuckChuck said:
I'd prefer "not at all". to me my problem with all these additions is to the average fan if done well these provide new toys and new lore to sperg over, but to the average viewer it was very easy to compartmentalize "the first actor is the first doctor" and stuff like that which is now soiled entirely. I loved The War Doctor and John Hurt was amazing in the role, it made too much sense and gave stakes to Matt's final special and essentially handed the writers the opportunity to not only give The Doctor infinite lives but also to bridge the gap and make fun of the modern series via the "old" Doctor. But that opened the gate to introducing a whole bunch of Doctors who devalue the idea of there being a new Doctor
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I agree, but I'm just trying to make the best of a silly situation.
 
starborn427614 said:
I agree, but I'm just trying to make the best of a silly situation.
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yea to answer your question more seriously i'd have prefered ruth to be a canonization of Season 6B over the Timeless Child nonsnese, which shouldve went to the Master but whatever. I heard the Toymaker revealed he did it in the new eps for the meme. i dont even LIKE Season 6B as a theory but that tranny Jay Exci brought up a great point and that's that it's a mystery that punished you for paying attention
 
BetterFuckChuck said:
which shouldve went to the Master but whatever
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To the day Dr Who dies I will continue to argue that if a timeless child needed to exist, that it should have been Susan. (Master is too obvious and makes him too sympathetic.)
 
Flexo said:
To the day Dr Who dies I will continue to argue that if a timeless child needed to exist, that it should have been Susan. (Master is too obvious and makes him too sympathetic.)
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at that point tho youre sort of erring on doing Lungbarrow and all its gay ass additions to the lore, but i wouldve liked that too

i understand what you mean, but the master had been erring towards basically being an anti-hero by the end of moffat's run and this is the kind of twist that wouldve solidified that arc. have the master be a darker, edgier timelord they can do more dangerous stories with
 
BetterFuckChuck said:
at that point tho youre sort of erring on doing Lungbarrow and all its gay ass additions to the lore, but i wouldve liked that too

i understand what you mean, but the master had been erring towards basically being an anti-hero by the end of moffat's run and this is the kind of twist that wouldve solidified that arc. have the master be a darker, edgier timelord they can do more dangerous stories with
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Ah I'm unfamiliar with Lungbarrow. I just think it's a better example of how to do a retcon well where you then add layers to the start of the series where Doc isn't just bored, but horrified at what is being done to this girl and runs off with her to try and rectify it - becoming "the Doctor" as he does so and starting his journey. Also giving an explanation for why he was so keen on staying hidden from the Time Lords for so long.

Though I thought the master was always the darker, edgier timelord.
 
GlupShitto said:
Not even going to watch this bullshit. I hope some shitskin stabs Ncuti in the street one of these days. Istg getting fucked in the ass does something to your brain because RTD wasn't like this before gay marriage was legalized.


It only went downhill when they had to shove the lesbo DEI hire down our throat.

Is this how Doctor Who fans felt in the 80s? When their favorite show was being run into the ground by some retarded faggot who hated all that was moral and good?
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Despite the obvious quality issues hat occurred during Jon Nathan-Turner's reign, people generally didn't hate him because there was the perception that he was at least trying to do a decent job while the BBC kept throw obstacles in his way. the last season of Tom Baker, Sylvester McCoy's final season, stories like Kinda and Caves of Androzani - there were some really great moments during that time. The show had definitely seen better days, but even with garbage like Trial of a Time Lord, it sometimes did something good too.
 
BetterFuckChuck said:
How are the ratings so far? I know a recent episode became the lowest viewed but did the special do well? (Edit: lmao i was checking the ratings on wikipedia, it's amazing how we saw Capaldi's second and third seasons as ratings doldrums and then Whittaker, but Gatwa is a race to the bottom. I dont think "people dont watch TV anymore" is an excuse when the four specials had consistent ratings in the 6-7 mil range and now theyve crated to below Whittaker, below Capaldi levels. Please BBC please try to can the show again! Or give us a Colin Baker type regeneration with Hugh Grant in blackface before become Doc 16)

I'd prefer "not at all". to me my problem with all these additions is to the average fan if done well these provide new toys and new lore to sperg over, but to the average viewer it was very easy to compartmentalize "the first actor is the first doctor" and stuff like that which is now soiled entirely. I loved The War Doctor and John Hurt was amazing in the role, it made too much sense and gave stakes to Matt's final special and essentially handed the writers the opportunity to not only give The Doctor infinite lives but also to bridge the gap and make fun of the modern series via the "old" Doctor. But that opened the gate to introducing a whole bunch of Doctors who devalue the idea of there being a new Doctor

Can you really push Gatwa as a special new thing if you established that the Doctor has been a black woman seventeen times in the "lore"? Apparently you can, because BBC, but you shouldnt be able to
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14 should have been another female incarnation. I like the fact that a Time Lord can regenerate into a new incarnation that resembles a previous one, and I like David Tennant being a newer Doctor, but having the result two regenerations after the "first" female one be blokes, sort of dampens the interesting line up of Doctors, and it's annoying because it's gonna be years before we see another female Doctor, even on the oft-chance she ends up being the 16th.

Your thing about The Timeless Child being someone else (and yours as well, @Flexo), and I'll stick by this arguably fanwanky opinion of mine: she, eventually he, then back again, and back and forth, should have been Jenny ('The Doctor's Daughter'), who finds she can regenerate (her coming back to life was because of The Source, not ancient Time Lord magi-science).

I just like the idea of the Time Lords ultimately originating from The Doctor, but he has to live thousands of years, and eventually regenerate a total of ten times, before his DNA becomes the basis of a clone. The Founding Time Lords were born through artificial means, so was Jenny.
 
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They really dropped the ball with Jodie. No concrete characterization and her only notable episodes are either absolute shit or feature a character that completely overshadows the first female Doctor (by being black AND female). The concept of a female Doctor could work just fine, but you need someone with the presence Gomez had.
 
Flexo said:
Ah I'm unfamiliar with Lungbarrow. I just think it's a better example of how to do a retcon well where you then add layers to the start of the series where Doc isn't just bored, but horrified at what is being done to this girl and runs off with her to try and rectify it - becoming "the Doctor" as he does so and starting his journey. Also giving an explanation for why he was so keen on staying hidden from the Time Lords for so long.

Though I thought the master was always the darker, edgier timelord.
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You know what, I just had a thought: the boy who was fighting over the toy the Timeless Child had, and accidentally caused her to fall off that cliff, should've been the Doctor.
 
Flexo said:
That would have been.... at least better than him being the Timeless Child.
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Thanks. By the way, my... fanwanky idea would have been this: The Boy is traumatised and feels guilt over his friend's death, so, years later, when he grows up, he tries to join the Division, but they reject him, so he goes back to being a farmer, like Rassilon was, before he (or she, before his/her first regeneration, based off one of the comics that had 9 and Rose in it) became a Time Lord. During this time, he studies at the newly founded Time Lord Academy, passes, but his achievements, for whatever reason, get archived, or redacted.

So, more time goes by, and he's an old man, who laments on the world, and the Universe he didn't see, so he finds Tecteun, and or, the other Time Lord who invented Regeneration (the guy's/girl's name wasn't Tecteun, it was something else), and, seeking a chance to redeem himself and making a promise to protect people, to never be cowardly, to never give up, never give in, agrees to go through the now presumably updated process that Tecteun, and at least Rassilon and Omega went through. They regenerate, and become the 1st (known) Doctor.

As for Jenny/TC, she's/he's still a member of The Division, but he/she decides to bugger off as well, in yet another incarnation, but no one knows what happened to her/him afterwards. Furthermore, I'm still including the 10th Doctor being Jenny's "Dad"/genetic donor, so the origin of the Time Lords can be a sort of, I think 11 called it, a causality loop.
 
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Truthfully, I think Doctor Who needs to get its head out of its ass and stop focusing on continuity. Fanwank as a term only exists because Doctor Who fans who go on to write for the series are such fucking autists that they couldn't tell a good story if god guided their hand because they need to expand upon their favorite childhood episode. Outside of some episodes focusing on a handful of returning villains, most of the good episodes are one off stories with interesting concepts that don't have anything to do with Gallifrey beyond what comes with the basic premise for the show
 
GlupShitto said:
Truthfully, I think Doctor Who needs to get its head out of its ass and stop focusing on continuity. Fanwank as a term only exists because Doctor Who fans who go on to write for the series are such fucking autists that they couldn't tell a good story if god guided their hand because they need to expand upon their favorite childhood episode. Outside of some episodes focusing on a handful of returning villains, most of the good episodes are one off stories with interesting concepts that don't have anything to do with Gallifrey beyond what comes with the basic premise for the show
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This is maybe the only issue with "Heaven Sent" for me. The fucking talk about The Hybrid felt so forced.
 
Flaming Carrot said:
Despite the obvious quality issues hat occurred during Jon Nathan-Turner's reign, people generally didn't hate him because there was the perception that he was at least trying to do a decent job while the BBC kept throw obstacles in his way. the last season of Tom Baker, Sylvester McCoy's final season, stories like Kinda and Caves of Androzani - there were some really great moments during that time. The show had definitely seen better days, but even with garbage like Trial of a Time Lord, it sometimes did something good too.
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Aside from Silver Nemesis, I really like McCoy's second season as well. Ace was the first companion who felt like an actual character with agency, and, apart from the Croydon facelift, Sophie Aldred was adorable.

I will say it was a disastrous mistake to allow Ian Levine (a tremendous lolcow himself) into the creative process (he went away with Saward).
 
Return of the Freaker said:
I recall seeing somewhere that Ian Levine and Simon Cowell (yes that one) got into a slapfight in the DWM letters page
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It was rumored that Patrick Troughton died fucking a female fan at a Doctor Who convention in America. Ian Levine subsequently spent a lot of time and effort trying to track this poor woman down.

He's a raging autist, and a huge degenerate.
 
Ialdabaoth said:
It was rumored that Patrick Troughton died fucking a female fan at a Doctor Who convention in America.
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Based

Ialdabaoth said:
Ian Levine subsequently spent a lot of time and effort trying to track this poor woman down.

He's a raging autist, and a huge degenerate.
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Now that's a new one for me. It wouldn't surprise me that Ian wished it was him
 
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