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UnKillShredDur said:
Victory of the Daleks - Pretty sure most people don't even like this one. I remember it as being mostly meh, one of the worst episodes of series 5, which I otherwise liked a lot. I didn't hate it, but it gave us the Mighty Morphin' Dalek Rangers meme...
Which were thankfully forgotten quickly.
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I quite enjoyed that one. Marred only by "love saves the day" Deus Ex Machinae ending. But the Dalek's plan is clever enough for what it's worth and they actually get away successfully having achieved their goal. You also get the silly-but-plausible comedy of Matt Smith battering a dalek with a giant wrench whilst it asks him "You do not require teaaaa?"

And I appear to be the only person on the planet who really liked the New Paradigm Daleks (as they were officially called) or the Telly-Tubby Daleks (as they were unofficially called here in Bongland). Big powerful looking things with a entertaining colours and deep resonant voices. They had different roles. Reds were drones, white was the supreme dalek, blues were scientists. Or maybe tacticians, I forget. Yellow was some kind of archivist or eternal dalek. It was fun.

I find them much better than those Steampunk looking things. History will judge me right, I tell you!

UnKillShredDur said:
Cold War - I actually did like this one. Using the Ice Warriors as an allegory for the "Cold War" worked well for me. It helps that David Warner is always fantastic, and I like Duran Duran to boot.
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This was a favourite. Clara before she devolved into the final maudlin character and with some good character moments for her. An Ice Warrior as an actual threat. Callbacks to Classic Who like the Hazdaz system or whatever it was called. That bloke who played Brutus in HBO's Rome. Strong episode all around. Matt Smith era is my favourite of NuWho era. The arcs weren't great but the individual episodes were often fantastic and next to Troughton, Smith is my favourite Doctor.

UnKillShredDur said:
The Crimson Horror - I didn't even remember that Gay-tis wrote this one. I do remember that the lesbian lizard lady abuses her "wife" pretty much any time that they're on screen together (even though that relationship doesn't even remotely make sense in the Victorian era, not really Gay-tis's fault, but this was another boring episode.)
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This one sent Gallifrey Base into fits (online DW fan forum. No idea if it's still there). The Doctor snogged a girl without permission and they all went into a meltdown about consent.

The villain was absolutely bonkers, played by Dame Diana Rigg chewing scenery like it's made out of chocolate. Cheerfully singing hymms and pointing pistols at her daughter's head. It's always nice to see the Doctor flummoxed by an enemy that is beyond his ability to moralise at.

Clara: "She wouldn't!"
Doctor: "She would!"
 
Pig Boss said:
Looks like they're just doing Tegan again with a splash of Molly from Dark Eyes for the companion.
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He has the right dapper look and the bowler is a nice touch.

Too bad that's probably going to be the only good thing about it. I guess decent fashion sense is about the only thing you can expect from the bunch of homos currently running Who (not that bunches of homos running Who is anything that new).
 
Not gonna lie, I believe "Heaven Sent" is overrated. Not a bad episode by any means, (and infinitely better than what passes for this garbage show these days, but that goes without saying.) but I don't think it would have been remembered nearly as fondly in a better series/era of the show...
 
UnKillShredDur said:
Not gonna lie, I believe "Heaven Sent" is overrated. Not a bad episode by any means, (and infinitely better than what passes for this garbage show these days, but that goes without saying.) but I don't think it would have been remembered nearly as fondly in a better series/era of the show...
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It'd probably be held in higher regard if the "part 2" that followed it wasn't complete god awful dogshit.
 
The Lawgiver said:
It'd probably be held in higher regard if the "part 2" that followed it wasn't complete god awful dogshit.
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I could not agree more, and should have said as much before, my bad. What good is even a perfect setup (which for the record, I do not believe that "Heaven Sent" was.. But it was still pretty good), when it ends with the wet fart that was "Hell Bent"?
 
So rewatched Angels Take Manhattan cause rewatching Who and Moffat missed the mother of all endings.

Season 5 is about cracks in time from we later find out is an exploding Tardis. Doctor closes the cracks and resets the universe. Says what caused the cracks is yet to happen.

Series 6 is about River killing the Doctor to prevent the cracks.

Series 7 is a Swan Song, Angels take Manhatten ends with the narrative saying space and time will be split if The Doctor goes back to see the Ponds. One could almost say it would crack time…

The good ending would have actually been The Doctor creates the very cracks in space time in his future so he can go to see Amy and Rory. Which loops right back round to the fact that the cracks were the very reason he met them in the first place.

I’m honestly baffled Moffat did not go for this.
 
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UnKillShredDur said:
Not gonna lie, I believe "Heaven Sent" is overrated. Not a bad episode by any means, (and infinitely better than what passes for this garbage show these days, but that goes without saying.) but I don't think it would have been remembered nearly as fondly in a better series/era of the show...
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Its a mystery but it doesn't play fair because it doesn't conserve mass. Things like the extra set of clothes, the mountain of skulls etc mean that the early loops were very different from the later ones, but we never got to see those because then the mystery would have been impossible to maintain.

6MillionCoofs said:
The good ending would have actually been The Doctor creates the very cracks in space time in his future so he can go to see Amy and Rory. Which loops right back round to the fact that the cracks were the very reason he met them in the first place.
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But the only reason that retarded two-parter happened was because Karen Gillen (and wossface) were moving on to greener pastures. Unfortunately the Moffat era had power crept the Doctor to a point where he was impossible for the plot to contain without author fiat.

Overly Serious said:
Clara: "She wouldn't!"
Doctor: "She would!"
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Reminds me of that bit from The Impossible Astronaut:
Doctor: "You think you can just shoot me?"
River: "They're Americans!"
 
Krokodil Overdose said:
But the only reason that retarded two-parter happened was because Karen Gillen (and wossface) were moving on to greener pastures
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Sure. My point was I’m surprised the series ending with the doctor going to meet Amy and Rory by doing the very thing that caused him to meet them in the first place and start a plot that lasted his entire run not only did not happened but wasn’t planned out from the start.

It’s the most Moffat of endings whilst also not being a clusterfuck.

Everything else could have still happened in my mind, I’m just saying tje last thing he did should have been to go meet the Ponds.
 
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I'm kind of digging the bowler hat. But yeah... way too little, way too late.
 
Not A Bunny said:
Something about the way Ncuti Gatwa looks annoys me. Cut-rate Freddie Mercury?
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No... Blutarch Mann, from tf2.
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So Tubi apparently has all the seasons of the Classic Doctors all 7 of them. They should add 9 and 10 cause I dunno why BBC wants to keep that exclusively for Disney + but whatever. HOWEVER for some fucking reason BBC has edited the First Doctor's episodes to start from the Daleks saga totally omitting the earliest episodes focused on time traveling history instead of Sci Fi. This completely ignores the set up of niece Susan and the teachers Barbara and Ian's companion origins. Did BBC do this because the early episodes were kinda retconned the Doctor's origins? Or is this some Timeless Children political bullshit? So weird they included the reconstructed Second Doctor's lost episodes with animated ones but omitted the 1st ones. I know they ain't lost I remember them being on PBS back in the day. I want to marathon Classic Who but gotta start with the series looking elsewhere SMH.
 
Mmemes said:
So Tubi apparently has all the seasons of the Classic Doctors all 7 of them. They should add 9 and 10 cause I dunno why BBC wants to keep that exclusively for Disney + but whatever. HOWEVER for some fucking reason BBC has edited the First Doctor's episodes to start from the Daleks saga totally omitting the earliest episodes focused on time traveling history instead of Sci Fi. This completely ignores the set up of niece Susan and the teachers Barbara and Ian's companion origins. Did BBC do this because the early episodes were kinda retconned the Doctor's origins? Or is this some Timeless Children political bullshit? So weird they included the reconstructed Second Doctor's lost episodes with animated ones but omitted the 1st ones. I know they ain't lost I remember them being on PBS back in the day. I want to marathon Classic Who but gotta start with the series looking elsewhere SMH.
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I'm pretty sure it's some kind of rights issue.
 
PuddIeduck said:
I'm pretty sure it's some kind of rights issue.
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Yeah, the son of the screenwriter for Unearthly Child and the BBC are engaged in a legal battle over the story. I believe part of it is that he's owed royalties because he says is father invented the TARDIS. I don't understand British copyright law, although I think it's a bit like how Terry Nation's estate owns rights to the Daleks and Philip Martin has rights to the character Sil from Venegance on Varos. The dispute is goin on for a while now, but as result the first Doctor Who story is not on streaming t the moment.
 
PuddIeduck said:
I'm pretty sure it's some kind of rights issue.
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Flaming Carrot said:
Yeah, the son of the screenwriter for Unearthly Child and the BBC are engaged in a legal battle over the story. I believe part of it is that he's owed royalties because he says is father invented the TARDIS. I don't understand British copyright law, although I think it's a bit like how Terry Nation's estate owns rights to the Daleks and Philip Martin has rights to the character Sil from Venegance on Varos. The dispute is goin on for a while now, but as result the first Doctor Who story is not on streaming t the moment.
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Damn this is like that Superman rights shit too. Thanks for letting me know.
 
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