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AnOminous said:
Fuck the Doctor Who Magazine. The only real publication was the Whovian Times.
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I'm partial to Shockeye's Kitchen myself.
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It came with a free edible gift every issue!
 
BetterFuckChuck said:
The War Doctor caused this obsession with retconning, it went from "yes, and" to "no, instead". "
"There was a time war" -> "Yes, and eight/nine was the ender of the time war" -> "no, instead there was a secret version of the doctor."
"The Doctor had a 12 regen limit and is about to hit it" -> "Yes, and the doctor got more" -> "no, instead the doctor is immortal"
"The Doctor can change his appearance and personality" -> "yes, and the old Doctors can meet eachother via time travel" -> "no, instead they never die and just split in two"
The improv elements of the show are gone and instead it's become a comic book. the throughline of the show is severed and it's hard to get invested in a character when the character isnt a character that is solid in any way. The show is built around reincarnation, but it's went from death and rebirth to never dying at all. It's went from establishing a unique character per doctor, to being able to change that character for the sake of merchandising
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Thank you.

As much as I love John Hurt, upon reflection I have come to dislike the 50th using him and not Eccleston or McGann.

(Yes I know Eccleston wouldn't come back, hence why I say they should have had #8 show up then instead.)

Plus it would have then made Capaldi the last "natural" Doctor and if there is any actor you can see going off the rails to become the Valeyard...
 
Flexo said:
As much as I love John Hurt, upon reflection I have come to dislike the 50th using him and not Eccleston or McGann.
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Ignoring that Ecclestone is unlikely because of the history, which of the two would you have used for the War Doctor? I ask because I am not sure which I would pick. Ecclestone would be phenomenal in some of the more emotional scenes. I could see him blazing with anger in a way that would be very intimidating to Ten especially but also Eleven. But you'd need some way to make the transition to his first appearance in "Rose" work. And on the other hand, we've had tastes of what McGann could have done.

I kind of lean towards McGann with Nine being the fresh regeneration that came after it. McGann would work for meta reasons because he's the 'unseen' Doctor and with the film's story of the other Doctors coming to accept him and also learning that he was able to save Gallifrey somehow, it could fit nicely. But beyond that I'm at a bit of a loss. They're both great and both different.

And Amen to Capaldi becoming the Valeyard. Would have been superb and also played nicely with Missy in a sense in that the Master would have to take on the role of "good guy", just as he did before. Heavy use of quote marks there, to be clear.
 
Overly Serious said:
Ignoring that Ecclestone is unlikely because of the history, which of the two would you have used for the War Doctor? I ask because I am not sure which I would pick. Ecclestone would be phenomenal in some of the more emotional scenes. I could see him blazing with anger in a way that would be very intimidating to Ten especially but also Eleven. But you'd need some way to make the transition to his first appearance in "Rose" work. And on the other hand, we've had tastes of what McGann could have done.
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Largely agree. Especially as I have gone back and rewatched the Return of Dr Who, I've noticed #9 gives off an air of being new and a fresh face. I think if you wanted to be a stickler for continuity, it would make a lot more sense for McGann, #8 to have been the Doctor of War because...
1) It would have fit better for why 9 reacts the way he does - he is literally starting afresh from the war and trying to make a new start. (In some of those episodes it gets a lot harder to believe that he has been through some centuries long conflict.)
2) It would have also made a lot more sense as to why we don't see much of eight. In other words - it would have been a fun little meta commentary that we have so few adventures of #8 because he was most heavily involved in the Time War and that's now all been locked away.

Overly Serious said:
I kind of lean towards McGann with Nine being the fresh regeneration that came after it. McGann would work for meta reasons because he's the 'unseen' Doctor and with the film's story of the other Doctors coming to accept him and also learning that he was able to save Gallifrey somehow, it could fit nicely. But beyond that I'm at a bit of a loss. They're both great and both different.
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Same. By far the most reason for Christopher is that this is the 50th and it was clearly intended to be the first "three doctors" episode of the new series. That's the only thing that makes me want to pick him is that I would have enjoyed seening all 3 of the new Doctors bounce off each other like we got to in some of those old crossovers. (I can't help it - I love Pertwee and Troughton's double act.)

Overly Serious said:
And Amen to Capaldi becoming the Valeyard. Would have been superb and also played nicely with Missy in a sense in that the Master would have to take on the role of "good guy", just as he did before. Heavy use of quote marks there, to be clear.
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Oh obviously, and some of those scenes with Capaldi (like the one I enjoy reposting periodically)...

And in episodes like Heven Sent, you could absolutely see how dangerous and insane it would be if Capaldi Doc ever went off the rails.

Heck it would have added something to the series with the implication of, "wait he doesn't have time lords any more to leash him."

In that instance, you might even excuse the timeless child as a Valeyard deciding, "I'm going to make my own time lords! With blackjack! And hookers!"

Then yeah, having Missy (or even the Master who followed her - I liked what I saw of him) becoming like a good guy because he/she realizes the Doctor might be worse than him if he goes evil... that would be some interesting stories.

Not to mention the Valeyard would make more sense then. "Oh I'm literally the last time lord. Do I let the species die out? Do I do something about it? Do I leave the Master unsupervised?" Heck you could have a road trip serial where the Master and Doctor are on the hunt for more regens.
 
Overly Serious said:
which of the two would you have used for the War Doctor?
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Of the two it would have to be 8 to make sense, as 9 looks at himself in the mirror for the first time in Rose. Also I like the idea of the optimistic and romantic Eighth Doctor being forced to fight a war and gradually become cold and uncaring as the centuries go on until the weight of it is so intense that the trauma carries over onto his next regeneration.

Flexo said:
it would have been a fun little meta commentary that we have so few adventures of #8 because he was most heavily involved in the Time War
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The Eighth Doctor actually has the most adventures of any incarnation because during the wilderness years he was featured in the BBC books, multiple different comic strips and eventually Big Finish audio dramas since he was the most recent Doctor after the movie. Most of the new official Doctor Who content from 1996-2005 featured Paul Mcgann's likeness.
 
Roy's Food Repair said:
The Eighth Doctor actually has the most adventures of any incarnation because during the wilderness years he was featured in the BBC books, multiple different comic strips and eventually Big Finish audio dramas since he was the most recent Doctor after the movie. Most of the new official Doctor Who content from 1996-2005 featured Paul Mcgann's likeness.
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Everyone knows all that counts for a fraction of what movies and tv counts for. ;)

But good for him. It would even give the impression of all that stuff being its own separate "time locked" segment.
 
AnOminous said:
I don't think I ever saw that. Was it in the UK?
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Yeah it was UK based. Intended to be published quarterly but according to posts on their old forum there could be gaps of up to seven months between issues. I think they got to about 16 issues in the end, but I think some of the last few might have been pdf only and are now lost. They also had a monthly zine called Shockeye's Snack. I got a few issues from someone selling off their collection, there's some really interesting articles, a lot of writing on themes you'd never really consider.
 
@Flexo, @Roy's Food Repair

Good points all. And I'd forgotten that Nine sees what he looks like for the first time in Rose. I think I lean towards your answers of Eight but thinking it over more I feel it was a wrong question. I can't square this circle because either way you go there are issues. Paul McGann would be fantastic as the War Doctor, but it leaves Nine in an uncomfortable position. If Ten is "the man who regrets" and Eleven is "the man who forgets", what exactly is Nine? He hasn't moved on from the war like Eleven nor going through the grief like Ten. He's still very angry. And even self-hating.

Now that I've slept on it here's what I would do: I would have Four Doctors. Ten and Eleven would be as they were and probably still be the audience's intro to the 50th with them played as something of a duo. Ecclestone's Nine would be one of the big drivers as I could see him still trying to undo things or win the war if he found some way to undo things. Something Ten and Eleven would likely oppose him on. And Eight would be the Time War Doctor. Ten might ultimately side with Eight in ensuring what happened still happened. Eleven maybe finds the way to resolve it all and save Gallifrey. And at some point Nine goes off on Ten like a rocket. Ecclestone plays rage and anger very well.

There. I cheated completely. This is what I would do.
 
I can’t be too harsh on the War Doctor. Sure, John Hurt was clearly a second-best option for Moffat, as much as I loved him. But I do get what Moffat was doing. I know the Doctor is heroic but has done morally questionable things. Still, Moffat avoided making him responsible for killing his people, instead having him save them. He redeemed his childhood hero. It might not be as cool, or as dark as it could have been, but I get it.”


AnOminous said:
I hope the good parts are remembered. But the show in its current form needs to be put out of its misery and none of the post-McCoy shit needs to be remembered at all. Better it never existed at all.
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Disagree for one reason: Capaldi.
 
Anonitolia said:
Dude, what the fuck is wrong with you? Why is this your first thought when you see “there will be a Dr Who series for toddlers?”
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Because Russel T Davies is obsessed with pushing troonery and degeneracy on children and that's basically all children's shows now. Like I heard that Sesame Street has a transgender character now. It's lunacy.
 
Anonitolia said:
Dude, what the fuck is wrong with you? Why is this your first thought when you see “there will be a Dr Who series for toddlers?”
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Honestly, though I would never think of it, this is not out of the realm of possibilities anymore. Blues Clues had a pride parade featuring an animated drag queen. They sung about how they are going after kids. They were not lying when they did that, they were bragging about their play book.
 
GlupShitto said:
Because Russel T Davies is obsessed with pushing troonery and degeneracy on children and that's basically all children's shows now. Like I heard that Sesame Street has a transgender character now. It's lunacy.
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I would love to believe that your intentions are innocent, but this is the third time you've brought up child grooming almost completely out of nowhere, and every time you're doing it you're adding more detail (first it was just "abusing his kid," then it was "raped on set," now you're specifying the exact type and perpetrator of the grooming). Russel T Davies isn't even confirmed showrunner, we don't even know the title or the premise. There is basically no information on the show out yet besides "the Doctor stars in an animated show for toddlers," and even that is arguably up in the air since we have no fucking clue which doctor is starring or what the series is about. Not even a release date.

For whatever reason, the sentence "Dr Who toddler show" made you immediately think of teaching toddlers about dicks and child grooming.

Either you're extremely buck-broken and really hate everything about the series (which I find very hard to believe considering your continued praise of Gatwa), or you need your fucking harddrives checked.
 
Anonitolia said:
I would love to believe that your intentions are innocent, but this is the third time you've brought up child grooming almost completely out of nowhere, and every time you're doing it you're adding more detail (first it was just "abusing his kid," then it was "raped on set," now you're specifying the exact type and perpetrator of the grooming). Russel T Davies isn't even confirmed showrunner, we don't even know the title or the premise. There is basically no information on the show out yet besides "the Doctor stars in an animated show for toddlers," and even that is arguably up in the air since we have no fucking clue which doctor is starring or what the series is about. Not even a release date.

For whatever reason, the sentence "Dr Who toddler show" made you immediately think of teaching toddlers about dicks and child grooming.

Either you're extremely buck-broken and really hate everything about the series (which I find very hard to believe considering your continued praise of Gatwa), or you need your fucking harddrives checked.
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I'm just concerned about the prevalence of transgenderism in children's media.

As for Tennant, he literally is abusing his son. He encouraged him to troon out. I don't see how that's not abuse unless you love trannies.
 
WitchOfDarkness said:
I can’t be too harsh on the War Doctor. Sure, John Hurt was clearly a second-best option for Moffat, as much as I loved him. But I do get what Moffat was doing. I know the Doctor is heroic but has done morally questionable things. Still, Moffat avoided making him responsible for killing his people, instead having him save them. He redeemed his childhood hero. It might not be as cool, or as dark as it could have been, but I get it.”
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It's always a real question to me of do you really "kill" someone in a time war? (like if it gets really crazy and you're going back and offing ancestors such that people don't exist... but then you're prevented from doing that so then the person comes back to life...)

I can understand the Doctor having a view of "I was responsible" but to me, what he really did was "time lock" it - essentially seal off the Time Lords and Daleks in their own special quarantine zone. Yeah from a perspective of the universe they were "killed" because they were all for intents and purposes "not there" but to me that just meant the Daleks and TLs just went about killing each other over and over again - it was on them to stop their little secluded war, it wasn't really the Doctor wiping them out.
 
Flexo said:
It's always a real question to me of do you really "kill" someone in a time war? (like if it gets really crazy and you're going back and offing ancestors such that people don't exist... but then you're prevented from doing that so then the person comes back to life...)
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It's one of the fundamental moral arguments about the Doctor. Why the FUCK didn't he just genocide the Daleks when he had the chance? Sorry, that was a huge mistake on his part. He should have done it.
 
AnOminous said:
It's one of the fundamental moral arguments about the Doctor. Why the FUCK didn't he just genocide the Daleks when he had the chance? Sorry, that was a huge mistake on his part. He should have done it.
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That's the old "baby Hitler" debate which Time Travel brings up.

Also a bit of predestination paradox with this kicking off the Time War. Did the Daleks become so bad because someone tried to wipe them out from the start their radicalism was a massive survival cope? etc etc
 
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