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Just watched the Christmas Special, I'm half and half on it. Some of the nicer moments I liked, the banter could be funny, but whenever Moffat reared his ugly head I detested it. Bill has a potential as a likeable character, but the way Moffat writes her just screams "who do you do, fellow k̶i̶d̶s̶ homosexuals?"

First Doctor was extremely out of character, how is the WW1 soldier less sexist than the man with the time machine? I know the Doctor's changed over time and isn't completely static, no character is, but it's completely unlike him to act that way.

Direction was mostly good, loved the snowy visuals, of course the CGI looked like it was from a PS2 game. Rusty came back, I don't know why, I liked that episode but I wasn't clamouring for a return of this character. I thought he was friends with the Doctor, maybe I missed something by not watching series 10.

The sequence at the end was the most visually stunning part of the episode, and didn't have any annoying forced jokes, so I'm convinced Moff had no part in it. Cliffhanger was cool, looking forward to seeing Jodie's new Doctor, even if I can't understand a word she's saying. I guess lots of planets have a north.

Blame Moffat.

I believe that with Rusty, at the end of Center of the Dalek, his mission was to 'Destroy all Daleks' and as he believes that in the Doctor's more genocidal moments he is good at being a Dalek, he decides that he must kill the Doctor.

Personally I quite liked Bill in Season 10 though she wasn't exactly well written and the season was a bit weak on a few levels. You didn't really miss much by skipping it, with the exception of the two-parter finale.

It really kind of is baffling what they did with the 1st Doctor, my best guess is that Moffat was either greatly mistaken about his character (doubtful from someone who's as much of a fan as he claims) or was virtue-signallling to try get the people who call him sexist off of his back, as to carry over support into his Dracula project he's working on.

I am over all really glad that we are on the butt-end of Moffat, as a change in direction could only do good, unless Chibnall is a massive idiot.
 
maybe I missed something by not watching series 10.
Trust me, you didn't. The Daleks barely appeared in Series 10 and Rusty wasn't among them when they did.

I miss the days when the Doctor would just get on with it and regenerate. The regeneration scenes are so drawn out now and try so hard to be epic when "This old body of mine is wearing a bit thin.", "The moment has been prepared for.", "Is this death?" and Eccleston's "You were fantastic. And you know what? So was I." are way more memorable and effective than the five minutes of cliche drivel Capaldi was spewing before he finally regenerated. At this point I'll even take Tennant's pathetic "I don't want to go." because at least it was short.
 
I believe that with Rusty, at the end of Center of the Dalek, his mission was to 'Destroy all Daleks' and as he believes that in the Doctor's more genocidal moments he is good at being a Dalek, he decides that he must kill the Doctor.

Personally I quite liked Bill in Season 10 though she wasn't exactly well written and the season was a bit weak on a few levels. You didn't really miss much by skipping it, with the exception of the two-parter finale.

It really kind of is baffling what they did with the 1st Doctor, my best guess is that Moffat was either greatly mistaken about his character (doubtful from someone who's as much of a fan as he claims) or was virtue-signallling to try get the people who call him sexist off of his back, as to carry over support into his Dracula project he's working on.

I am over all really glad that we are on the butt-end of Moffat, as a change in direction could only do good, unless Chibnall is a massive idiot.
I think Moffat said that the only black and white Who episode he liked was Unearthly Child, part 1 and "the rest was shit."
 
I actually liked Bill, compared to Clara. She’s not Donna though, or Ace.

The first doctor being a sexist was kind of cringy, I mean, I’ve seen the Unearthly Child and while he was an asshole he wasn’t that sexist. If it was anyone he was antagonistic to it was Ian, another man. But for Christ’s sake if you are going to write for the First Doctor at least don’t try to make an ironic statement.

I loved 12’s monologue and 13’s first words and that smile on her face—it’s The Doctor’s traditional madman smile that I love.

I wonder what’s going to happen now that the TARDIS left 13. Is her first series going to be like the 3rd Doctor’s and have her be stranded on Earth for while?
 
Yeah anyone looking forward to fucking chibnall's writing is gonna have to drink a literal gallon of koolaid to enjoy it. Whatever he did with Broadchurch doesnt matter. Completely different show in every single regard with no similarity with any incarnation of doctor who, or episodic sci-fi in general. As for torchwood....yeah there is no fucking disguising how that shit was absolute cringe from the getgo, both then and ESPECIALLY now, with shit like cybertits and the orgasm alien and every other "LOOK AT US WE SO EDGY AND MATURE LOL PLEASE WATCH US KEWL KIDS!" schtick they pulled.

Combine this factor with the fact that they will never get a fucking iota of constructive criticism either from other writers or from critics because of the whole fucking "DIVERSITY AND WOKENESS PROVES ITS PERFECT AND IMPORTANT AND WONDERFUL AND ANYONE WHO CRITICISES IT IS A BIGOT!" mania the whole critic-sphere has been engulfed in since around about when Capaldi became doctor, which means they will be showered with perfect 10/10 reviews even when they write the most godawful and painfully stupid episodes in the show's history, thus giving them no incentive to improve or change, and you have the perfect fucking storm for the show to once again be fucking cancelled due to low ratings.

Oh the first new episode or two will have good enough ratings, but after that I can guarantee ratings will fucking plummet, and any attempt by ANYONE to give constructive criticism will be met with "LOL SAD MANBABIES CANT TAKE A WOMAN DOCTOR!" screeds from both people working on the show and the wider media, right up until the BBC says "look we're gonna have to put this on hold indefinitely because we are literally haemorrhaging shekels a FEMALE DOCTOR is obviously too progressive for the bigoted public to accept" and the show is buried for another 15 years
 
Yeah anyone looking forward to fucking chibnall's writing is gonna have to drink a literal gallon of koolaid to enjoy it. Whatever he did with Broadchurch doesnt matter. Completely different show in every single regard with no similarity with any incarnation of doctor who, or episodic sci-fi in general. As for torchwood....yeah there is no fucking disguising how that shit was absolute cringe from the getgo, both then and ESPECIALLY now, with shit like cybertits and the orgasm alien and every other "LOOK AT US WE SO EDGY AND MATURE LOL PLEASE WATCH US KEWL KIDS!" schtick they pulled.

Combine this factor with the fact that they will never get a fucking iota of constructive criticism either from other writers or from critics because of the whole fucking "DIVERSITY AND WOKENESS PROVES ITS PERFECT AND IMPORTANT AND WONDERFUL AND ANYONE WHO CRITICISES IT IS A BIGOT!" mania the whole critic-sphere has been engulfed in since around about when Capaldi became doctor, which means they will be showered with perfect 10/10 reviews even when they write the most godawful and painfully stupid episodes in the show's history, thus giving them no incentive to improve or change, and you have the perfect fucking storm for the show to once again be fucking cancelled due to low ratings.

Oh the first new episode or two will have good enough ratings, but after that I can guarantee ratings will fucking plummet, and any attempt by ANYONE to give constructive criticism will be met with "LOL SAD MANBABIES CANT TAKE A WOMAN DOCTOR!" screeds from both people working on the show and the wider media, right up until the BBC says "look we're gonna have to put this on hold indefinitely because we are literally haemorrhaging shekels a FEMALE DOCTOR is obviously too progressive for the bigoted public to accept" and the show is buried for another 15 years
That was over ten years ago, I'm gonna give Chinballs the benefit of a doubt, even the Moff backpedalled on his annoying bullshit after the announcemnt. I'm sure some shitty tabloid pieces demonising the general public aren't going to factor into the writing that was likely already complete before the announcement.

Not until series 12, anyway.
 
I think Moffat said that the only black and white Who episode he liked was Unearthly Child, part 1 and "the rest was shit."
I could be wrong but I believe Moffat actually admitted that he was drunk when he said that 60's era Doctor Who was shit. It was also apparently from an interview from the 90's. Even the classic Doctor Who actors are known to poke fun at and make fun of the old serials as well. Some of the commentates on the classic serials are full of the actors making fun of themselves and the more cringey parts of the scripts.

Meanwhile most fans take this very personally and view it as an attack on classic Who. I highly doubt the actors from the old era really care about an interview from over twenty years ago.
 
Weak-ass Xmas special this year. I feel like you could cut out the entire second act and lose nothing. First special of Capaldi's tenure to feel like a glorified trailer.
 
Weak-ass Xmas special this year. I feel like you could cut out the entire second act and lose nothing. First special of Capaldi's tenure to feel like a glorified trailer.

Yeah the thing about the special is that in the previous regeneration episodes it shows the Doctor getting wounded/dying of old age/poisoned/ falling/exposed to radiation so the show actually has a traditional Doctor Who plot. This one was just regeneration. One missed opportunity that they had was when 1 found out he was going to be a “Doctor Of War” he could have said screw it, I’m not regenerating, effectively making it so 12 never existed and screwing up the universe. So then 12 would have to show 1 all the good that he will do to convince him to regenerate, also making 12 realize he should regenerate too. It could have been worse. The Doctor could have just bumped his head on the TARDIS console again.

Also I had a feeling it was going to show the Christmas Armistice. WWI plus Christmas special implies they are going to show it. And although it was fanservice, I liked the reveal of who the WWI soldier’s son was going to become.
 
I guess he never watched the squiggle monster episode?
Yeah the thing about the special is that in the previous regeneration episodes it shows the Doctor getting wounded/dying of old age/poisoned/ falling/exposed to radiation so the show actually has a traditional Doctor Who plot. This one was just regeneration. One missed opportunity that they had was when 1 found out he was going to be a “Doctor Of War” he could have said screw it, I’m not regenerating, effectively making it so 12 never existed and screwing up the universe. So then 12 would have to show 1 all the good that he will do to convince him to regenerate, also making 12 realize he should regenerate too. It could have been worse. The Doctor could have just bumped his head on the TARDIS console again.

Also I had a feeling it was going to show the Christmas Armistice. WWI plus Christmas special implies they are going to show it. And although it was fanservice, I liked the reveal of who the WWI soldier’s son was going to become.
I had a killer idea yesterday, similar to that. Basically they should've replaced the "villain" of the episode with the Valeyard, making him out to be a Watcher-like being generated between the 12th and 13th Doctors.
 
But that would involve going to back to *GASP* Classic Doctor Who.

And you know the BBC can't afford risk nowadays.

The BBC tanked a £50m yearly enterprise (Top Gear) because it didn't like one of the main hosts and there was a massive fucking witch hunt to get rid of him after a six month old incident. They'd happily tank Dr Who if they felt it was no longer in line with their vision.

The BBC can afford every and all fuckups because it burns through it's £5.4bn per year budget due to the fact it's got a guaranteed income and thus doesn't have to actually give a fuck about what people do or do not watch. Out side of the tiny outposts of the period drama and documentary commissioning units the whole fucking edifice of the BBC could slide into the pits of hell and the world media would be better off for it.
 

THANK YOU random youtuber

fucking thought I was the only nigger on the net who realised that episode was the fucking worst episode in human history.

I was so fucking pissed off with that episode that not only did I spew a massive fucking drunken rage textwall here on the farms that very night, but I created a new fucking thread solely to contain my outraged autism

https://kiwifarms.net/threads/the-f...-about-any-film-tv-you-want.5154/#post-362438

Here is my tard rage infused bourbon laced review/breakdown from the very night it aired

Foreword (or why im not a doctor who fan anymore)


Ooooooookay guys, this will be a very long one. and i mean a VERY long one, but i am drunk on a dozen tropical martinis and am mad as all hell right now. if you are not a doctor who fan i would advise you not to read this.


I tried to like capaldi. I honestly tried. I withstood half a dozen increasingly bland and mediocre episodes with increasingly bland and mediocre acting from him and i kept faith. I loved doctor who. since I was 7 i have loved the show. But in the arc words of the last genuinely good episode in the series…


NO MORE


Thats right. i quit the show. This episode was so bad I legitimately dont give a fuck about the rest of the series. but while I refuse to watch them, this episode hurt me, and i intend to get my vengeance by throwing a public tantrum on an internet forum while reviewing it and screaming about how shit it is.


because thats how a real badass acts


The Cunt and The Cunt (AKA the annoying secondary characters)


This episode managed to portray clara as a smug, self righteous, hysterical, self pitying, shrill, brainless, callous, spineless and THE most useless ass companion in Doctor who history, have her willing to condemn her entire world to die and smugly ignore the pleas of the billions who lived there to save it…...all because SPACE ABORTION IS WRONG MKAY…...and she is STILL not the worst character in the episode.


That honor would go to Chavish Useless Narcissistic Teenage-bitchbrat (CUNT from hereon) who was supposedly in the last episode (i didn't bother to watch since was busy deworming pigs and demolishing a stable wall just by banging my head against it) who from start to finish spends the episode


  • whining about being bored

  • putting shit on tumblr (more on that later)

  • screaming at everything

  • demanding that everyone drop everything and take her home

  • demanding the doctor give her video games to play in the tardis

  • declaring that the moon is in fact a giant babby

  • sabotaging efforts to save humanity

… all so she gets to go on an adventure in the tardis so the doctor can show her how super speshul and important she is.


also she is the first woman on the moon (just roll with it)...and is revealed to be the future US president at the very end………… because…,


Because….fck it i dont know. my one guess would be that some fuckwit decided that having the characters repeatedly babble about tumblr was not pandering enough, there had to be a fangirl insert who was super speshul super important and super right about everything.


The story starts literally with clara whining (get used to that) at the doctor about how he called her “not speshul” in the previous episode, followed immidiately by CUNT giving a “(i cant fcking emphasise the quote unquotes here) poignant” speech about how hes a big meany whose ruined her life because he doesnt think shes speshul...no exaggeration thats exactly what fcking happens. Which other cunt (clara) smugly approves.


In a good episode the doctor would have beckoned her close to him, and whispered in her ear “No. I dont”, before booting her off the fcking tardis (oh yeah she sneaks into the tardis to steal his stuff. in one fcking episode she achieves more mary sue than a thousand river songs) and going off to fist a dalek or some shit.


Instead this ENTIRE episode is him giving CUNT a role in the story just to show how speshul he thinks she is.


And oh yes.


TUMBLR IS A FCKING PLOT POINT


This episode could almost have been a parody of what doctor who would look like if written by some of its more obsessive fangirls. The problem is the writer was actually demonstrably less talented than your average obsessive fangirl and it shows throughout the whole episode. Also even the most lackwitted hack of a writer aware of tumblr would know that tumblr is utterly opposed to the ultimate message of the episode….but more on that later.


Back to Clara. She literally spends the episode whining about the doctor, whining about the “antagonist” (more on her later), whining about people being mean to CUNT (aka not telling her shes speshul), whining about humanity being so mean for not wanting to all be wiped out because she thinks space abortion is wrong, whining about the doctor being mean because….fck it the story falls apart at this point.


Capaldi fails at being funny. Capaldi fails at being sincere. Capaldi fails at being inspiring. Capaldi just keeps fucking failing. (AKA the even more annoying doctor)


The doctor begins the episode pandering to the aforementioned CUNT and only goes down from there. when he arrives on the moon he tries physical comedy. its shit. he tries to be serious and scary. He Fails. He tries his hand at the “timeywimey” schtick. He Fails.


And most damningly of all he tries to do an “inspired” tom baker speech on humanity. he fails UTTERLY. this is literally the worst “doctor speech” i have ever seen on the show. it is the worst written, most melodramatically performed speech ever. And again, its all to beef up the “CUNT IS A SUPER SPESHUL SNOWFLAKE” shit the episode is running with.


From the start of the season capaldi has been...well hes been a goddamn disappointment, acting with all the shitty obnoxiousness and unlikability of the early sixth and first doctors but with none of the warmth, likability, humour, or basic fcking acting competence. This episode has sealed the deal in my mind that capaldi may be the single worst doctor of them all. his sole non obnoxiously cuntish moments are ironically when he shamelessly panders to CUNT (and thus tries to pander to the audience), and he comes across as both entirely useless and entirely irritating from start to finish.


Ya know maybe we should have taken moffat’s declaration that this doctor would be “darker and edgier” as the warning it was.


Five seconds of mild peril (AKA the “scare” factor of the episode)


Any Tension is IMMEDIATELY broken by everyone saying “look cobwebs” the moment they come to the base. once inside it almost redeems itself for but a second with the set, which with its dark corridors almost resembles the nostromo….then the lights go on and stay on.


Who needed tense claustrophobia and a creepy set anyway?


And of course there are the spiders…..spiders made of the shittest cgi seen outside of jar jar binx and which don't even have a moment off screen in the dark to build up suspense before they are pouncing on people and making gibbering noises.


All in all they come across as less scary than the vagina plants from the classic series, and the episode is seemingly aware of this as after a supposedly tense 5 minutes they run away from the almost creepy set and are never in danger again. and the spiders? UTTERLY pointless to the story.


Well that sure was pointless


The day science died


The list of scientific, logical, and basic fucking sanity based fuckups in this episode are too long to survey in detail. so here is a handy list


  • nuking the moon will make it stop getting bigger. even the doctor agrees

  • CUNT can kill space spiders with her cleaning spray because it says it can kill germs. and the giant spiders are giant germs

  • oh yeah, the spiders are giant single celled germs. because fck biology

  • the moon is a giant tentacled organism hiding under the crust and WAIT ISNT THIS THE PLOT TO DEAD SPACE 3?!

  • apparently the giant space tentacle babby shouts so loud it can pass through the vacuum and be heard on earth

  • space babby then immediately shits out a full sized moon, just as big as itself, and then flies away. unless its anus is the tardis that is fcking stupid

  • CUNT starts floating in mid air. the episode forgets to explain why

  • the doctor jumps in a unseen puddle of moon semen and from there decides theres a giant space babby under the moon

The shittiest moral dilemma of who history. and yes that includes that shitty silurian episode, and other shitty stuff


Again I am doing this in list form because…...fck it i cant be arsed anymore with this episode.


  • Clara gets Nasa to broadcast her message to the entire world….somehow in which she demands that they let themselves die horribly so unborn space babby can live

  • Clara demands earth turn off its lights if it thinks the “villain” should kill the space babby….and humanity is so fcking resolute in telling her to go fuck herself they organise a worldwide blackout in which every single light on earth goes down

  • When humanity decides they would rather not die for the sake of some creature that's been killing them because a crazy bitch who hijacked their TV told them so, Clara decides to fuck them anyway and stops the real hero (the villain) from sacrificing herself to kill the space babby. Not because there was another way, not because the space babby was sentient. because she had decided SPACE ABORTION IS EVIL because CUNT told her so.

  • And since this is a shitty episode she is proven 100% right, even though the episode has to rape science to death to prove her right.

  • Clara declares that the space babby should be allowed to live and kill mankind because it is really really really big. Then CUNT tells her “itch nawt evun been bawn” and her mind is instantly made up

  • Clara declares only “the president of amurica” has the right to decide whether to kill space babby.

  • Clara hates the doctor because he doesn't immediately pander to her demands to stop the mean astronaut lady from saving humanity

  • Clara rants about how the giant fragments of the moon wiping out humanity dont matter because they are “actually eggshell”......which somehow means they wont wipe out humanity when they impact

  • Fcking tumblr gets namedropped 6 times by all characters.

  • CUNT says the words “u wot?”

  • pointless fcking slo motion.

Non shitty thing.

  • Hermione Norris: her character manages to portray humanity, snarkiness, heroism, grief, toughness, nuance, and internal conflict, and is pretty much the sole character with any depth or likability. She is probably the best character in this season so far….and will never be seen again after this episode.
    • For this she is treated like the villain for wanting to kill the giant tentacled abomination that’s threatening mankind simply because said lifeform was described by CUNT as a little space babby which thus somehow makes her wrong for wanting to kill a babby…..that makes sense right?

    • Despite this she still gives everyone a chance to prove her wrong somehow and give her a reason not to kill it. no one can give it so clara sabotages her attempt out of pure butthurt at how no one else cares about the space babby

    • Honestly though, she would make a better companion than fcking clara at this point. hell she would make a better fcking doctor than capaldi. and hell her being the doctor would be a better way to please tumblr than this shite.

    • Norris’s quip of “How do we kill it” after the doctors longass shitty speech about how beautiful the little space babby is was the one good line of the episode. god she deserves her own show for this shit.

    • Though she did do a lil too much shatner type gesturing

Conclusion: or why im no longer a Doctor Who fan

This episode was the single worst doctor who episode in history in my honest opinion. the story was beyond abysmal, the dialogue physically painful, the characters detestable (aside from Hermione Norris), the science beneath that of an episode of futurama, the moral dilemma an absolute joke, the CGI laughable, the music overbearing and loud enough to annoy yet not loud enough to drown out the shitty dialogue.


More to the point, this episode was my last hope that Doctor who might have a chance of not being shite. This season for me has been the single worst in Who History, and I know that sounds like typical fangirl whining but I genuinely cannot see anything praiseworthy in the stories, anything interesting in the characters, or anything redeemable about the new doctor. Moffat’s idea well dried up long ago, all his talented writers seem to have jumped ship, and all thats left is mediocre pandering episodes which have all the charm, originality, wittiness, pathos, and enjoyability of latter day Heros seasons.


Basically, scew this show. im going home. im not gonna bother watching shitty tv anymore out of brand loyalty

Basically this episode was the ultimate fucking warning alarm that the show had gone terminal, and I am so fucking glad I bailed that very night
 
No one liked that episode, except MrTARDIS.

Anyway, the post came in today (technically yesterday) with some classic DVDs: 'Survival' and 'The Five Doctors'. Unfortunately my DVD player (read: PS3) has broke, so I haven't watched them yet. What's anyone's experience with those stories? We've got nine months to fill out.
 
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