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Quick question then. I'm not doubting canonicity of most of the Big Finish stuff and I know that Unbound is non-canon, but like how can the Second Doctor and First Doctor stories set during the shoe be canon given that the show shows you where they go next, leaving no time for there to be another adventure?
Also I find it kind of sad that my least favourite Doctor actually has what appears to be one of the best regeneration stories. I wish that Pertwee or McCoy had something that good.
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Alternate realities where there was time for another adventure?
It's not unusual for the show to explore that (even one of the Eighth Doctor Big Finish stories showed him experiencing events from the Eighth Doctor novels as this, despite neither medium having nothing to do with each other).
That and there's enough flexibility in the canon of a 50+ year long show about time-travel for stories to contradict each other across different media while no one gives a fuck as long as the stories themselves are good.
EDIT: Example of this would be the fact that there's 3 different regeneration stories for the Sixth Doctor (the Big Finish one considered the definitive one because Colin Baker got to participate in it).
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(Note: was kidding about Sixie being the "objective best" but he is tied with 8 as my favorite. 7 incidentally, is tied with 5 as my least favorite.)
"Canon" in Doctor Who is weird... In a sense, it doesn't even really exist, as there's no George Lucas or Gene Roddenberry to control and set it, and the BBC itself has a very hands off "anything goes" policy on canon, unless it explicitly contradicts the show.
At one point in time, the novels were the official continuation of 7 and then later 8's adventures if I recall correctly. And at *very* minimum, elements of 8's audio adventures were explicitly confirmed as having happened in his 50th anniversary minisode.
I'm not as familiar with the earlier doctors (especially on audio), but there are clearly more 1st doctor adventures than just what we saw on TV. He just had one in the recent Christmas special in fact-Not to mention all the other times he, and also 2 (woo boy, 2.. Thats a whole other can of worms) teamed up with his future selves. My point being, even if you only take the show proper as being "canon" there are still some inconsistencies... It's to be expected in a 55+ year running program.
Side note: Big Finish is usually REALLY good about finding points in time where more adventures could plausibly happen, to the point where the most :autism: of the fanbase can usually easily slot them all into a cohesive timeline that meshes with the show.
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My favourite example of that is when the 9th Doctor leaves in Rose, allegedly has a hundred years worth of adventures, then comes back seconds later.
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Makes me sad Eccleston is the only (living) Doctor who will probably never reprise the role.
He isn't even close to my favorite Doctor (that would be Sixie, followed VERY closely by 8 ), or even my favorite new who Doctor (That would be 11)... But he definitely left before wearing out his welcome (something you really couldnt say about any other new who Doctor)...
Edit: Fixed an accidental smiley.
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Well with the Three and Five (not counting the Two Doctors which takes place in season 6 B (which is what happens in between War Games and Spearhead from Space. Basically the Doctor works for the Time lord Council, gets Jamie and Victoria back, and gets a pretty groovy remote control for the TARDIS that gives him proper control for it as well as being able to operate it from not in the console.) The Doctor is time scooped to be where he needs to be so no canon is broken. The Doctor is taken into the story, sent back to right where he was, and forgets the events happened.
The latest Christmas episode takes place during the events of The First Doctor's regeneration story the 10th planet, and as he gets to his TARDIS before Ben and Polly it can be assumed that there was roughly enough time to not contradict previous episodes.
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"Season 6b" is exactly what I was talking about. Technically speaking, that's no more "canon" than Big Finish. It's only explicitly appeared in non-televised materials, (Albeit to to explain away the major inconsistencies of 2's appearance in The Two Doctors and to some extent the Three Doctors, but that is *NOT* official.) Admittedly, it is a VERY plausible fan theory, and one I personally subscribe to, but I digress.
Here's hoping Big Finish goes full in someday and makes their own 6b. 2 seems to be the one classic doctor they haven't given much love to yet, (and the only deceased one they haven't recast.)
As for the First Doctor in the Christmas special... I don't know what to tell you. There are enough obvious plotholes in it that it really doesn't do either of us any favors. (The First Doctor has no control over his Tardis, and even MENTIONS THIS in the episode as they're flying away in it... Yet they still get back where they started offscreen, and 1 makes it back EXACTLY where and when he started, because unexplained plot reasons...)
Perhaps there are some 1st doctor audios that can't be reconciled with the canon, but I'm not familiar enough with him, or his audios, to claim that. And even still, it isn't an all or nothing, to use a R(e)T(ar)D-ism, Doctor who 's continuity is a bit wibbly wobbly timey wimey.
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Forgive the double post, but hold on... I actually thought about this for a second. Are you meaning to tell me that the entire first 6 seasons of Doctor Who are presented as one long continuous chain of events with absolutely zero possible down time? Because I just checked the end of the last episode of Season 1 and the beginning of first one of Season 2, Ditto in between 4 and 5- and they both appear to have time in between them. (The last episode of Troughton's first season is incomplete so it is a bit difficult to tell, however the version I saw seems to end a story on a shot of a destroyed Dalek, who is not in the next episode at all.)
Now, I'm not nearly :autism: enough to go through and check to see that *every single* (or even any) audio story could possibly have happened in between gaps of the show, but I am doubtful of your claim that *none* of them could have happened just based on looking.
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As far as I'm aware, up until Susan leaves the TARDIS, there is no time for audio stories to take place. As soon as the gang get back to the TARDIS in Fire Maker they go to Skaro, and at the end of Brink of Destruction they open the doors to find Cathay.
Edit: ignore first bit
It seems I'm wrong about there being no possible downtime as the end of Marco Polo doesn't show the begging of The Key of Marinus as far as I'm aware.
I'm sorry for this mistake, though it's an easy one to make as Maco Polo is a 7-parter that can only be watched in Loose Canon.
Now that I have zero doubts about Big Finish having the possibility of being canon, are there any stories you'd recommend from the first 50 of the main range? (as they are up on Spotify)
I have some downtime coming up but don't want to pay for any stories until I'm positive I like the format.
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(Read ALL of this before picking one to listen to, this is NOT in order- )
Ok well... this is kind of a boring answer to your question (especially since you seemingly hate sixie)...But I would HIGHLY recommend you check out as many Sixie audios as you possibly can.. Because I will be the first to tell you he was absolute *shit* on TV, and yet, he is to this day my favorite Doctor...
You want recommendations from the first 50 BF audios? Well It's hard...Normally I would just tell you to listen to as much of sixie as you can... but he in particular, has episodes that are not in order @_@... So here are some of his best ones-
If you are AT ALL a fan of New who (specifically EARLY new who) I would HIGHLY recommend you listen to #40 - Jubilee first. The plot of this audio was LITERALLY repurposed *after the fact* into an early episode of New who (This isn't even a secret, everyone involved knows and admits it: Dalek in series 1.. there are a LOT of differences, but I honestly think Jubilee is better... Listen for yourself
I do NOT know it you like musicals or not (:powerlevel: I DO and this is fucking awesome) #43 Doctor Who and the Pirates is a spoiler, in that if you listen to it NOW, you won't at at all know who the companion in it is.. You won't be *that* confused though, as the story is somewhat meaningless overall....
#14 - The Holy Terror is an audio episode with an odd companion who really doesn't appear outside of this story, except for some dumb comics... (He's a shape shifter who happens to mostly be stuck in the form of a penguin, I KNOW that sounds stupid as hell, but trust me, this episode is spectacular)
#27 The One Doctor: If you care at all for Mel, and even if you don't (hell, I HATE her, and I still love this episode) it's still excellent, and it's placement is nebulous.
That is my intro to a better 6... Literally none of what I have mentioned is part of his "bettering" (at least not in my eyes) but I still find it ALL to be better than what you saw on tv) If any of what I mentioned to you sounds good (or hell, even if it doesn't) I would still recommend you look up ALL of Evelyn Smythe's story... (it goes on well past 50 for the record... ) I say she is by far the most humanizing influence on 6.
If you're stuck at 50- episodes 47, 48, and 49 are ALL great, they are a different respective doctor taking on a long time threat. If you love Doctor # 7 already, you'll love #49. it is a wholly unique Master story... and one of the few times I don't think Sylvester Mccoy ruins a story he's in.
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I would recommend Spare Parts (if you never listen to another Big Finish audio, listen to that one), Dust Breeding, The Chimes of Midnight (I'd listen to the entire Eighth Doctor range they have on there as it has a continuous story arc, but in particular I'd reccommend Chimes, Minuet in Hell, Seasons of Fear and Neverland (although be warned - Zagreus is a load of shite)), The One Doctor and The Holy Terror (recommended above) and also the stories they did to celebrate Doctor Who's 40th anniversary - Davros, Omega and Master. Although as I said above, Zagreus (the 50th one) is atrocious.
I'd also recommend the Eighth Doctor Adventures series 1 which they have on there. It's set after his main range adventures, but you won't be too lost in terms of continuity. It's worth listening to all the Eighth Doctor Adventures just so you can get to Lucie Miller and To The Death which is one of the best finales ever, either on or off television.
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Doctor Seven is GOAT, is all I'm saying.
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Oh, sorry... I was so busy sperging on 6 that I forgot to mention 8. If youre a fan of new who, listen to the first season of the 8th doctor adventures (its very close in format to early new who) that @TheImportantFart mentioned.
If you prefer classic who, you might enjoy listening to his main range stories first, as they are in general quite good. Special shoutout to #29 Chimes of midnight.
#34 Spare parts is really good, but its a 5 story, and I never liked 5 or his companions.
Other than that, I really cant give any recommendations for 5 or 7 as I haven't heard many good ones of theirs.
I want to like 7, believe me I do... But McCoy's acting isnt great, and unlike every other classic doctor, I honestly feel like he's gotten worse at the part over the years. Also, Ace pisses me off. The little proto-Rose that she is.
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You don't like 5 or 7?
Man, Cold Fusion would be your worst nightmare.
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The GOATest Doctors.
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8's audio adventures are now considered cannonical. Mostly because McGann's bloody mindedness.
See, dear old Paul really enjoyed his time as the Doctor in the movie they did which was hoped to "revive" the series and was geared up to reprise his role. Which obviously didn't happen for the reboot. He even began rocking up at conventions and whovian events in what would later become the 8th Dr's outfit which generated a lot of interest from the fans.
Eventually he managed to get an audio series on the BBC which, thanks to a good writing team (itself with McGann overseeing) has run to much popularity globally.
See, dear old Paul really enjoyed his time as the Doctor in the movie they did which was hoped to "revive" the series and was geared up to reprise his role. Which obviously didn't happen for the reboot. He even began rocking up at conventions and whovian events in what would later become the 8th Dr's outfit which generated a lot of interest from the fans.
Eventually he managed to get an audio series on the BBC which, thanks to a good writing team (itself with McGann overseeing) has run to much popularity globally.
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I've always found 5 to be the dullest of the doctors. He's the most passive, and all of his companions basically walk all over him. Spare parts for example was good, great even, and 5 is basically a passive observer throughout all of it.
7, I like in theory... Omnipotent chessmaster who has already won before the episode even starts. Im really just unenthused by McCoy's acting, especially in the audios. (Its weird, hes the only doctor I like LESS after hearing on audio.)
I'm always looking to be proven wrong though, maybe I'll give cold fusion a listen. Any other hidden 5 or 7 gems?
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Tbh, I haven't listened to much of Seven on audio, but I highly recommend The Kingmaker if you haven't listened to it. Not only is it one of the most ingenious stories Doctor Who's ever done, but it's also absolutely, gut-bustingly hilarious. It's one of my favourite audio stories ever and I've listened to it four times and never once got bored of it, that's how entertaining it is.