Dr. Who

[Mr. 0]

I would *highly* suggest that you seek out both the *entirety* of the 8th Doctor's "Dark Eyes" quadrilogy (where he features massively) but also the (somewhat) recent "two masters" trilogy where both he and the ubiquitous Geoffrey Beevers feature.

Have it and everything Eighth Doctor related up to Ravenous and the Time War. And the Master trilogy (among other things in the monthly range...)

Check out all of the things you mentioned... also, check out the "War Master" Big finish release, because Jacobi is amazing in that... Also check out the the "Gallifrey Time War" set, because they use Also use Jacobi "Master"fully (pardon the pun, lol)... And Jeez, I totally lament the fact that John Hurt died before we were able to see him and Jacobi in the same story That would have been amazing....

Have those too. From what I've read though, people are saying John Hurt was wasted on the War Doctor stories because of how generic they were. I do agree with you about the War Master encounter though, that's easy enough to write around (how many actors on this show have played multiple roles?), shit it could've given extra weight to how the Tenth Doctor reacted to the reveal in Utopia (this guy is a dead ringer for my dead friend from the war, and he's super-smart, brilliant, this guy is everything I wished my bestest friend would've been and I have to do everything in my power to help---oh fuck OH FUCK IT IS HIM I WAS WRONG I WAS SO WRONG)

I have all this Big Finish shit, just not the time to listen to it all. But IM WORKIN' ON IT.

As I said before, I do not know the extent of any agreements that big finish has made... If "The Time of the Doctor" was the cutoff, than that is news to me... Although "Missy" has also appeared since then.. (In the very same episodes where Simms appeared... for what its worth ) So I do kind of doubt it...

Big Finish could not do shit with anything new series-related outside of the occasional vague reference until 2014, and even then only up to the end of the Eleventh Doctor run. It got extended to the Twelfth Doctor era last year, and will most likely get revised to include the next Doctor run once she bows out/gets the whole fucking thing cancelled again.

I don't disagree with anything you said here... But IDK if Disney currently owns any rights to Doctor Who or not... (My instinct is at the very most, they only own the characters I mentioned... ) I do doubt they could afford to buy the entirety of Doctor Who though currently... (might be wrong)

I would hope that if the buyout gets finalized that if the characters don't revert that they just rot in limbo, and that Disney doesn't fold them into Marvel or something. Or that they don't do that thing I said and get brass balls and put in a bid to buy the franchise. And the UK is so pussy-whipped by Muslims that I fear the BBC might be pussy-whipped enough to fold.

 

[UnKillFill]

Have it and everything Eighth Doctor related up to Ravenous and the Time War. And the Master trilogy (among other things in the monthly range...)

Well listen to it all then, lol. He's that good.

Have those too. From what I've read though, people are saying John Hurt was wasted on the War Doctor stories because of how generic they were. I do agree with you about the War Master encounter though, that's easy enough to write around (how many actors on this show have played multiple roles?), shit it could've given extra weight to how the Tenth Doctor reacted to the reveal in Utopia (this guy is a dead ringer for my dead friend from the war, and he's super-smart, brilliant, this guy is everything I wished my bestest friend would've been and I have to do everything in my power to help---oh fuck OH FUCK IT IS HIM I WAS WRONG I WAS SO WRONG)

I thought the War Doctor audios were good enough (but could have been better... I admit) After that, I didn't even think about it from that angle... But I totally agree with everything else you said here.

I have all this Big Finish shit, just not the time to listen to it all. But IM WORKIN' ON IT.

I have too much time on my hands... I've actually listened to all of Gallifrey since my post the other night.. I started to write up a review of most of it, but it was so negative... bleh...

Big Finish could not do shit with anything new series-related outside of the occasional vague reference until 2014, and even then only up to the end of the Eleventh Doctor run. It got extended to the Twelfth Doctor era last year, and will most likely get revised to include the next Doctor run once she bows out/gets the whole fucking thing cancelled again.

I did not know the extent of the nature of the agreement Big Finish has/had... I was under the impression that they now have the rights to all aspects of current doctor who, save the current doctor himself... (Hence the Classic Doctors/New Monsters) I could totally be wrong.

I would hope that if the buyout gets finalized that if the characters don't revert that they just rot in limbo, and that Disney doesn't fold them into Marvel or something. Or that they don't do that thing I said and get brass balls and put in a bid to buy the franchise. And the UK is so pussy-whipped by Muslims that I fear the BBC might be pussy-whipped enough to fold.

I have no real comment here... I don't think we are going to see Grace Holloway or Chang Lee any time soon in the Audios (and for the record... no real loss on either of those) Muslims? Huh?

 

[Mr. 0]

@UnKillFill As a Big Finish fan how do you feel about the new series logo being plastered onto everything (by order of the BBC from what I've heard)? Primarily though how it basically reverts the monthly release cover design to what it was originally (more or less), IMO

Compare:
The original cover for Iron Bright with the sidebar design

The current cover with the new series logo

Of course no amount of design work short of overhauling the whole fucking thing from scratch will save it from looking like shit (is there not a serious case of uncanny valley going on here?)
Part of me is having trouble adjusting to it primarily because my :autism: and I don't care much for the new logo in general, much less it being used all over non-tv multimedia.
And because this happened halfway through the Fourth Doctor Adventures Series 7 release and 1/4 of the way through both Ravenous and the Eighth Doctor Time War releases, so consistency is a no go :autism:

 

[UnKillFill]

@UnKillFill As a Big Finish fan how do you feel about the new series logo being plastered onto everything (by order of the BBC from what I've heard)?

I find it completely inappropriate, and not just because that new logo is ugly as sin. Big Finish has always taken extreme care to make every product that they produce feel completely authentic to the time period it would take place in, from trying to match the writing of their stories different depending on the ERA the story would be taking place in, using old versions of the theme song, and even down to using similar sound design to the old series.

I hadn't heard that it was by order of BBC, but that doesn't surprise me because it doesn't seem like something BF would do on their own.
(Ultimately though, it is largely irrelevant to me as I never bother with CD's.)

Primarily though how it basically reverts the monthly release cover design to what it was originally (more or less), IMO

Compare:
The original cover for Iron Bright with the sidebar design

The current cover with the new series logo

Of course no amount of design work short of overhauling the whole fucking thing from scratch will save it from looking like shit (is there not a serious case of uncanny valley going on here?)

I prefer the side bar... If I bought the cd's, I would probably be moderately annoyed by this change. As for the picture, I'm assuming it's a composite of some sort? I don't mind it... There's only so many pictures of 80's era Colin Baker in particular (as he had such a short run) that they can reuse before they all start looking the same.

Truth be told, I don't even usually go for the main range unless it is one I hear is particularly good, or one that has a particularly good premise. I'm so far behind at this point that it would be extremely inconvenient to catch up.

Part of me is having trouble adjusting to it primarily because my :autism: and I don't care much for the new logo in general, much less it being used all over non-tv multimedia.
And because this happened halfway through the Fourth Doctor Adventures Series 7 release and 1/4 of the way through both Ravenous and the Eighth Doctor Time War releases, so consistency is a no go :autism:

It really is a terrible logo... I have no idea why BBC is so proud of this of all things.

 

[Mr. 0]

I prefer the side bar... If I bought the cd's, I would probably be moderately annoyed by this change. As for the picture, I'm assuming it's a composite of some sort? I don't mind it... There's only so many pictures of 80's era Colin Baker in particular (as he had such a short run) that they can reuse before they all start looking the same.

One would assume they could take a photo of him now and doctor it to make him look younger
Also this guy https://hisi79.deviantart.com does some pretty good custom covers (he's done sidebar designs for most of the portrait monthly ranges, no way he won't do them for the shit that's upcoming.
Also I don't buy the CD's either but I use the cover art for my iPod whenever the serial in question comes up.

Truth be told, I don't even usually go for the main range unless it is one I hear is particularly good, or one that has a particularly good premise. I'm so far behind at this point that it would be extremely inconvenient to catch up.

I haven't listened to a single thing from the main range yet, but most of the summaries/synopses I've read suggest there's a bunch of good shit, like most of the Evelyn Smythe stories, anything related to the Forge, and the whole thing with Elizabeth Klein sounded pretty interesting. And the shit with the Word Lord.

It really is a terrible logo... I have no idea why BBC is so proud of this of all things.

Maybe it was a focus group thing. And the test audiences were hipster millennials.

It'd be one thing if this logo was exclusive to Jodie Whittaker's Doctor (and/or the next couple a la the 80s with Tom Baker - Colin Baker), but there really is no reason to plaster it across all the media, the other logo was just fine.

 

[UnKillFill]

One would assume they could take a photo of him now and doctor it to make him look younger

I see what you did there.

Also this guy https://hisi79.deviantart.com does some pretty good custom covers (he's done sidebar designs for most of the portrait monthly ranges, no way he won't do them for the shit that's upcoming.
Also I don't buy the CD's either but I use the cover art for my iPod whenever the serial in question comes up.

Those are good. Still, I honestly don't think that Iron Bright cover is that bad.

I haven't listened to a single thing from the main range yet, but most of the summaries/synopses I've read suggest there's a bunch of good shit, like most of the Evelyn Smythe stories, anything related to the Forge, and the whole thing with Elizabeth Klein sounded pretty interesting. And the shit with the Word Lord.

I have listened to all of 6 and Evelyn, as well as all of 8 and Charlie, And all of

Spoiler

6 and Charlie.

I also listened to the Klein stuff, as well as the U.N.I.T./7th doctor story where they introduced the MacQueen Master.

Unfortunately I don't really like 5 very much, so unless it's something like Spare Parts, I'm probably not going to bother with it. Ditto (to a lesser extent) with 7, and especially Ace. I'm more likely to listen to a box set, even one I don't particularly think I'm going to like. Tales From New Earth comes to mind. (It was better than I thought it was going to be)

It'd be one thing if this logo was exclusive to Jodie Whittaker's Doctor (and/or the next couple a la the 80s with Tom Baker - Colin Baker), but there really is no reason to plaster it across all the media, the other logo was just fine.

Agreed. Bad as it is, the logo would be accurate for any Jodie Whittaker audios they might do in the future. As I said, the problem isn't them using the logo, it's using it for classic Doctors.

 

[Ponderous Pillock]

I think the stuff from a few pages back (about the Rosa Parks stuff) is a bit of a clunker. Mostly because the BBC has to consider certain things.

The first is the UK civil rights movement is really really dull. No mass marches, no real riots etc. The UK civil rights movement can be summed up thusly:

Minorities - "Oh, uh, it seems legally we're not quite the same as everyone else."

Parliament - "Really?"

Minorities - "Defacto, yes. De Jure. No."

Parliament - "Oh dear, well, let's sort that out."

And bam done and dusted without having to set fire to everything.

To the point the old guard people who were "there at the time" are now desperately trying to re-write history as if said civil rights movement was as profound as the US's one.

Funnily enough, it ain't working.

Second one is that the BBC has nearly killed the £50m a year additional revenue stream of Top Gear. And are still scrambling to fix things by slowly giving the presenters more and more creative control after trying to centrally command the relaunched Top Gear. The results are slow, but also slowly working.

Third, the BBC's finding more and more money exporting shit to the USA and elsewhere, just like how the Japs are increasingly with their own entertainment meaning it needs certain episodes to appeal on a more "neutral" or "Americanized" level. Especially as questions are increasingly asked about the need for the TV license in an increasingly subscription-driven-model world, this need to internationalize their content is driven also by government policy, which is to increasingly (and quietly) continuing to exert soft-power influence through cultural output.

In all, I am glad Chibnall seems to know how to exploit the BBC's "Woke-ness" requirements of having to stuff minorities into every show imaginable and placing people back into their historical context. The BBC demanding "BAME" castings even when it rips you out of your immersion was getting ridiculous, and hilariously also means that shows feel like they're over representing minorities which in reality are barely 10% total of the population.

 

[UnKillFill]

I decided to tackle Bernice Summerfield... (Her Audios at least. I wouldn't even know how to begin finding the books, most if not all of which are currently out of print) -Mainly because Braxiatel was one of the few bright spots in later more terrible series of Gallifrey, and he supposedly has a major supporting role over the course of this thing.

So far, I'm not terribly impressed with the main character... She just seems like a low-budget River Song, for whom I have already my feelings about known. (And yeah, I know Summerfield predates River by like 15 years.) It's still early goings, but I think I might like Bernice even less than I like River, and for many of the same reasons... (For the record, I love Lisa Bowerman in other things. She was a major supporting character in Jago and Litefoot and did a great job there.)

I'm quite surprised how "adult" this series is (In the same way that Torchwood was "adult"). It has swearing, drinking, sex, and more. I don't particularly have a problem with any of these things, but it does give it an odd feeling compared to other Doctor Who products and spinoffs.

Speaking of which... I should probably add that, in the beginning of the first series at least, it technically is *not* a Doctor Who Spinoff. Big Finish did not get the rights to Doctor Who until some time in the middle of the BS series 1 releases, and thus they could not use or even mention the Doctor. (It appears that eventually some Doctor Who monsters will make their way in, but I do not believe the Doctor himself shows up until far later in the series.)

Overall, I kind of like it so far.

 

[LN 910]

Didn't Bernice rape the Eighth Doctor in one of the books?

 

[UnKillFill]

Didn't Bernice rape the Eighth Doctor in one of the books?

I've heard that it was implied that they had sex at some point... Bernice Summerfield is kind of a slut, and 8 is one of the more... carnal... Doctors, so it would not surprise me at all if it happened.

Hadn't heard anything about it being rape though...

 

[UnKillFill]

The *final* Jago and Litefoot: "Jago and Litefoot Forever" dropped yesterday... https://www.bigfinish.com/releases/v/jago-litefoot-forever-1781 (I have not heard it yet) Like the doctor *him*self, I hate endings... And predict myself being very sad when I finally get around to listening to this... Still I would wager it's going to be very good... Pretty much the entirety of Jago and Litefoot has been.

 

[UnKillFill]

I caved and got Jago and Litefoot Forever... Will give my reactions tomorrow.

 

[UnKillFill]

I could never in my heart dislike this... But this is a clip show. I got genuine feels from it, but it really reminded me of the South Park Episode "The Return of Chef"... Especially near the end.

 

[Null]

Who else here loves Dr. Who?

I don't even know what the fuck a Doctor Who is. Where did this thread come from?

 

[Sable]

Maybe that was like, an alternate version of you.

Or maybe you were drunk or something.

 

[LN 910]

I don't even know what the fuck a Doctor Who is. Where did this thread come from?

I think xer's a Doctor, I presume.

I don't even know what a television is. I just repeat what my friend tells me about BBC films.

 

[Judge Holden]

I don't even know what the fuck a Doctor Who is. Where did this thread come from?

Probably was made in response to my myriad of angry rants about it, lemmie check the date to see what the latest episode was when this thread was made

*checks*

Hmm....maybe not actually. Thread was made slap bang in the middle of a year hiatus.

I concur with those suggesting you were drunk. You had probably gotten shitfaced while remembering some doctor who episode you saw on PBS back when you were 7 and made the thread once you woke up

 

[LN 910]

Maybe he's seen the Cushing movies?

 

[UnKillFill]

Maybe he's seen the Cushing movies?

If so, then he's lucky... I wish I could forget those.

 

[TheImportantFart]

I don't even know what the fuck a Doctor Who is. Where did this thread come from?

I have been continually confused over the fact it was you who started the thread when you've never declared any interest in the show.

I guess we'll never know...