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AnOminous said:
It hasn't been worth watching since Davison and it hasn't been actually good since Baker.
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I get why people prefer the classic episodes. But, personally I became a fan of the revival, and I just couldn't get into the classic show. 10 is my favorite with 12 being a close second.

For the classics, I definitively think Tom was the best. I must laud how of all the did the eccentric alien that looks human part the best.

I'm not saying the classics are bad. They have brilliant episodes no doubt, and I get why people love Tom Baker, but the pacing of the old episodes are just too slow for my tastes.
 
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So the Female Doctor Who had great potential

So Doctor Who is a trickster figure. And Male Tricksters play under different rules then female tricksters. Wouldn't it be interesting if the show acknowledged that and had the 13th Doctor "Play by both rules" or "Find another path?"
The Doctor was a re-skinning of British Adventure novel (for boys) heroes...but now the Doctor is a woman. How about the Doctor take this as a chance for self reflection and growth [Which is literally what happened in the first sequence with the first doctor]

This would be a interesting time to reflect on the modern confusion of gender through the doctors alien-ness and centuries/millennia of existence
 
I used to watch reruns of classic Who (4th Doctor was what introduced me to the series)

As for the revival, I'm not that big a fan. I liked Chris Eccleston and Peter Capaldi, but Jesus the David Tennant and Matt Smith years REALLY seemed to be pandering hard to the Tumblr crowd.
 
Autumnal Equinox said:
I used to watch reruns of classic Who (4th Doctor was what introduced me to the series)

As for the revival, I'm not that big a fan. I liked Chris Eccleston and Peter Capaldi, but Jesus the David Tennant and Matt Smith years REALLY seemed to be pandering hard to the Tumblr crowd.
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I disagree somewhat with Tennant. I personally liked him and we didn't really hit peak SuperWhoLock until Matt Smith
 
Manwithn0n0men said:
So the Female Doctor Who had great potential

So Doctor Who is a trickster figure. And Male Tricksters play under different rules then female tricksters. Wouldn't it be interesting if the show acknowledged that and had the 13th Doctor "Play by both rules" or "Find another path?"
The Doctor was a re-skinning of British Adventure novel (for boys) heroes...but now the Doctor is a woman. How about the Doctor take this as a chance for self reflection and growth [Which is literally what happened in the first sequence with the first doctor]
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You mean like the growth of necrotic bacteria after you get your dick surgically inverted into a pseudo-vagina? 🤔

Autumnal Equinox said:
I used to watch reruns of classic Who (4th Doctor was what introduced me to the series)

As for the revival, I'm not that big a fan. I liked Chris Eccleston and Peter Capaldi, but Jesus the David Tennant and Matt Smith years REALLY seemed to be pandering hard to the Tumblr crowd.
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I liked Capaldi, but his run seemed quite as bad as Smith's and Tennant's in that regard, if not worse, seeing as he was gradually edged out of his own show by the Jenna Coleman character, going to absolutely mind-boggling lengths to save her life from some sort of cosmically pre-ordained death and losing his memory in the process, and her way of showing gratitude for all of this is to fly off in a shiny new TARDIS (which also seems to have been intended as some sort of nudging, winking, Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy reference) with her presumable future partner in lesbian bed-death, the gnomish Maisie Williams as a random Viking girl whom the Doctor had earlier resurrected and made immortal and unkillable for absolutely no reason whatsoever.
 
Freddy Freaker said:
I disagree somewhat with Tennant. I personally liked him and we didn't really hit peak SuperWhoLock until Matt Smith
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Bandy about words like "peak" all you want... The autism that is "SuperWhoLock" wouldn't even exist without Tennant. That it became more of a thing when Smith was the Doctor is just due to the passage of time, and the show itself being more prevalent in the US at the time.
 
Cyril Sneer said:
You mean like the growth of necrotic bacteria after you get your dick surgically inverted into a pseudo-vagina? 🤔
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No actual growth

Is Gender real? What does Gender Fluidity [in Gender Larpers] mean when you have an Alien who changes genders ? Gender influences personalities on Galifreans so how does thta fundementally change what we know about the doctor?
 
Manwithn0n0men said:
No actual growth

Is Gender real? What does Gender Fluidity [in Gender Larpers] mean when you have an Alien who changes genders ? Gender influences personalities on Galifreans so how does thta fundementally change what we know about the doctor?
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This reads like a Nu-Wars defense of Jake Skywalker: "Is the Dark Side real? What does Luke's attempted murder of his nephew say about the nature of Good and Evil?", as if any old bullshit retcon drummed up by some Current Year hack deserves to be taken seriously.
 
Cyril Sneer said:
This reads like a Nu-Wars defense of Jake Skywalker: "Is the Dark Side real? What does Luke's attempted murder of his nephew say about the nature of Good and Evil?", as if any old bullshit retcon drummed up by some Current Year hack deserves to be taken seriously.
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So an actual gender Fluid Alien confronting a gender larper? An alien whose gender is built into their new personality and Identity?

That could be interesting for stories
 
If the Dr Who lady pulls out a rape whistle I will laugh my ass off. I mean why not it can't get any worse than last season.

I'd actually watch it to be honest.
 
For me the breaking point was the first half of Matt Smith's second season, i.e. the "i-cant-believe-its-not-slendermen" season since thats when it became really fuckin apparant that major plotlines and changes to the status quo were being casually abandoned, forgotten, and entirely contradicted on a writers whim, with the last episode I watched before tuning out being that craptastic "mass produced clones in a castle" episode, and the last episode I halfway enjoyed being the Nixon episode at the start of the season.

I still watched the occasional episode afterwards, and even enjoyed the 50th anniversary special enough to consider it one of the main highlights of the Nu-Who era but...yeah that was pretty much the last time the show ever got my positive attention. Capaldi's introduction was cringetastic as was his characterisation of the Doctor despite me having fairly high hopes for him and only got worse as more episodes came out and his "sanctimonious old douchebag trying to be kewl for da kidz" schtick grated on me ever more....then the fucking Moon Episode happened and I officially stopped watching the show forever because holy shit its been five years and I still cant quite believe how bad that shit was.

Honestly there is no fucking salvaging it anymore. They could dump all the SJW schtick and it would still be a badly written obnoxious mess. They could change all the writers and the new ones would still be handicapped by all the shit that came before unless they do some contrived "universe reboot" shit. Its time to put the show in the ground for another twenty years and hope something worthwhile rises to replace it.
 
Autumnal Equinox said:
I used to watch reruns of classic Who (4th Doctor was what introduced me to the series)

As for the revival, I'm not that big a fan. I liked Chris Eccleston and Peter Capaldi, but Jesus the David Tennant and Matt Smith years REALLY seemed to be pandering hard to the Tumblr crowd.
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Actually Tumblrinas HATED Matt Smith’s run. They were pissed that it didn’t have any poc or lgbt characters like Tennant had. Around Series 6 RTD gained a huge army of bootlickers on Tumblr who complained that Moffat white washed the series and held Davies on a pedestal because he made Doctor Who progressive. Which is ridiculous because the classic series was full of moments of female companions kicking ass and progressive plots. Some new Who fans are severely deluded that the series was racist and sexist trash before Davies came in and introduced feminism, poc, and gay people to the series. To them Rose was the first female companion who wasn’t a distressed screaming damsel, completely ignoring classic Who girls like Ace, Zoe, and Barbara. The only classic companion they knew about was Sarah Jane and that was because she appeared in New Who. Thankfully this mentality has died down A LOT and a lot of fans are more mature but it was terrible back in the day and there are still some hanger ons today who cling to these views.

I really think the reason Bill being a lesbian was so emphasized on the show was because the last time Moffat confirmed a character to be lgbt he got crucified by fans. He confirmed that River was bisexual and fans threw a shitfit because she didn’t shout out her sexuality on the roof tops and it wasn’t alluded to on the show. I think this butthurt is what prompted the STFU Moffat blog’s creation.

Tumblrinas also had a seething hatred of Clara and Amy because they were attractive white women who weren’t afraid to wear sexy outfits. They were bashed for being “male gaze” despite the actresses stating several times that they chose their wardrobes and loved wearing their outfits. Standard Tumblr jealousy of attractive women. It is very easy to tell which ones never watched classic Who because if they did they would have a huge aneurysm over the likes of Peri and Leela. I would love to see thier reaction to the end of the first episode of The Mind Robber where Zoe rotates on the TARDIS console with her ass on full display.
 
Judge Holden said:
Capaldi's introduction was cringetastic as was his characterisation of the Doctor despite me having fairly high hopes for him and only got worse as more episodes came out and his "sanctimonious old douchebag trying to be kewl for da kidz" schtick grated on me ever more....then the fucking Moon Episode happened and I officially stopped watching the show forever because holy shit its been five years and I still cant quite believe how bad that shit was.
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Too bad as he could have been a return to nasty, cranky Doctor not giving a fuck about anything like William Hartnell.
 
AnOminous said:
Too bad as he could have been a return to nasty, cranky Doctor not giving a fuck about anything like William Hartnell.
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Not gonna lie, I actually liked Capaldi as the Doctor for the most part (even if Moffat had completely shit the bed as show-runner and all the other writers sucked by that point)... But you're right, I wish they had kept him as the borderline asshole they were building him up to be in his first series...
As it is, the most memorable bit of trivia about him is going to be... "Did you know that the 12th Doctor's companion Bill was a lesbian? Because the 12th Doctor's companion Bill was totally a lesbian... Although you probably didn't know that...
It *was* SUPER subtle.
, and despite her stupid ass name supposedly being a 'tribute' to William Hartnell, the character (almost literally) shit on a re-tardedly strawman racist-sexist-homophobic-bigoted version of the very same Doctor that he played, in a story that *could* have been decent if they didn't try to pretend that the original Doctor was a racist-sexist-homophobic-bigot.
 
Manwithn0n0men said:
So an actual gender Fluid Alien confronting a gender larper? An alien whose gender is built into their new personality and Identity?

That could be interesting for stories
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Your assuming the writers would actually be brave enough to write about a subject that even those in support of tend to be overly sensitive or hyperbolic with portrayals that are anything but overtly sympathetic or outright pro movement. Either it would be a huge pro-gender fluid fest in which case they shit the bed in terms of story, or they try to take a balanced nuanced look and have the alphabet mafia come after them.

That and I personally think this level of story telling is beyond most of the modern show writers for Dr. Who.

Judge Holden said:
For me the breaking point was the first half of Matt Smith's second season, i.e. the "i-cant-believe-its-not-slendermen" season since thats when it became really fuckin apparant that major plotlines and changes to the status quo were being casually abandoned, forgotten, and entirely contradicted on a writers whim, with the last episode I watched before tuning out being that craptastic "mass produced clones in a castle" episode, and the last episode I halfway enjoyed being the Nixon episode at the start of the season.

I still watched the occasional episode afterwards, and even enjoyed the 50th anniversary special enough to consider it one of the main highlights of the Nu-Who era but...yeah that was pretty much the last time the show ever got my positive attention. Capaldi's introduction was cringetastic as was his characterisation of the Doctor despite me having fairly high hopes for him and only got worse as more episodes came out and his "sanctimonious old douchebag trying to be kewl for da kidz" schtick grated on me ever more....then the fucking Moon Episode happened and I officially stopped watching the show forever because holy shit its been five years and I still cant quite believe how bad that shit was.

Honestly there is no fucking salvaging it anymore. They could dump all the SJW schtick and it would still be a badly written obnoxious mess. They could change all the writers and the new ones would still be handicapped by all the shit that came before unless they do some contrived "universe reboot" shit. Its time to put the show in the ground for another twenty years and hope something worthwhile rises to replace it.
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I'd missed out on Tennant and Smith so I can't comment much, I had hoped to pick up the series and Capaldi looked like they might be going in a good direction with the character to bring it back to the older curmudgeonly type of Dr. that Tennant and especially Smith had been too young to actually pull off persona wise.

Then a friend of mine mentioned the Moon episode... I decided then and there that with all the woke shit and from their own perspective weak writing that it wouldn't be worth picking up the series.
 
Kaiser Wilhelm's Ghost said:
Your assuming the writers would actually be brave enough to write about a subject that even those in support of tend to be overly sensitive or hyperbolic with portrayals that are anything but overtly sympathetic or outright pro movement. Either it would be a huge pro-gender fluid fest in which case they shit the bed in terms of story, or they try to take a balanced nuanced look and have the alphabet mafia come after them.

That and I personally think this level of story telling is beyond most of the modern show writers for Dr. Who.
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When the F/X was cheap doctor who writers could pull it off

Maybe we need to pay less to make it look fancy so talented writers can be hired
 
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