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In response to Sunday's episode of Doctor Who, DigitalSpy decided to run a hitpiece on Nikolai Tesla. They associate him with the Nazi party and condemn the show for portraying him in a positive light.


Not even 80 years in the grave will spare you the wroth of idiot clickbaiters.
 
In response to Sunday's episode of Doctor Who, DigitalSpy decided to run a hitpiece on Nikolai Tesla. They associate him with the Nazi party and condemn the show for portraying him in a positive light.


Not even 80 years in the grave will spare you the wroth of idiot clickbaiters.
Never mind the fact that the nazis wanted to wipe the serbs off the face of the earth
 
I finally got through all 6 episodes of Talons of Weng Chiang, and not surprisingly, I loved it. Here are some thoughts in no particular order. As always, spergery ahead. You've been warned.:
-My immediate thought is this serial, would *never* get made "in the current year". For one thing, Li H'Sen Chang, (one the villains in this story), is obviously (and hilariously) a white dude in yellow face.
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This doesn't even remotely make John Bennett's performance worse by the way. If anything, it makes it better. He's one of many highlights of the episode.
At one point Leela referred to him as "The yellow one." Even better, Chang himself at one point, while on stage performing a trick with the Doctor says to the crowd: "The bird has flown, one of us is yellow." Fantastic.

-The (seemingly actually Asian) extras that they have playing his henchmen have the most uncomfortable looks on their faces for the entire time that they're on screen, and individual members of his gang are referred to as "a Chinese," so many times (and I laughed every single time.) Also, there are a ton of "problematic" stereotypes, like saying that they're "all addicted to opium." Chang himself even dies smoking opium in some random opium den. Take note BBC, more of this please. It's better than whatever the fuck it is that you're doing now.

-I was surprised by how relatively little time Jago and Litefoot actually spend together on screen. They don't even meet each other until episode 5 of 6... and it is a testament to Robert Holmes' writing, David Maloney's directing, and especially Christopher Benjamin and Trevor Baxter's acting, that by the end of it, I still totally buy that Jago and Litefoot became close friends after their shared ordeal, despite living in two entirely different social circles and monetary classes, at a time when that mattered a lot more than it does now.

-Their chemistry together is fantastic. I would have thought that Benjamin and Baxter had been life-long friends in real life before appearing in Talons, had I not heard (In the bonus features of their Big Finish spinoff) that they didn't know each other before the TV serial, and had very little contact with each other again until "Jago and Litefoot" became a thing some 33ish years later... and it makes me sad that they had to wait so long to get a proper spinoff. And even sadder still that they never got a chance to return to the show proper.

-Professor Litefoot is a straight up pimp in this. He owns multiple high calibers rifles, and isn't afraid to use them to defend his property and his bitches (well bitch, since it's just Leela) while wearing a pimp cape over his evening wear to boot. He still gets jumped by Deep Roy as Mister Sin though... RIP Trevor Baxter, you are missed.

-Henry Gordon Jago is just spectacular here. I am biased, as I've always liked him just a little bit more than Litefoot, but his mixture of confidence and cowardice is at its best here. I may have gotten some genuine feels when Jago finally admits to Litefoot that he isn't as confident as he pretends to be, and is in fact afraid near the end when it looked like the two of them were going to die. Rock of Gibralter indeed. (Though ironically, Jago actually *is* always courageous when it really counts, both in the Big Finish series and in this serial.)

-I know everybody loves Leela, but I usually don't. (Big surprise, right?) Surprisingly though, I actually don't mind her in this serial. Her interactions with Baker are genuinely sweet, and I think she gets to be humanized a lot here from how I'm used to seeing her portrayed. The initial idea of the Doctor trying to show the savage some culture from the history of her ancestors is a great one, and it was funny to me seeing her have to dress up like a lady and hating it. It was even funnier seeing her decidedly *not* acting like a lady when she eats a big chunk of meat right off the bone, and Litefoot (did I mention that he's a total pimp in this?) being the gentleman that he is, actually humors her by grabbing another chunk of meat and eating it the same way. Additionally, she actually seemed to be genuinely fearful after sneaking into, and then escaping from Weng Chiang's lair the first time. She even gets (momentarily) knocked out in a later episode when Chang's lackeys catch her off guard. It doesn't hurt that Louise Jameson was actually a fairly attractive woman back in the day. (I'll admit that I tend to forget that, as I'm much more used to listening to her in Big Finish audios. I've only seen a few of her 4th Doctor TV episodes outside of Talons tbh.) But yeah, Smash or pass on 1977 Louise Jameson? Easy smash for me.

-Speaking of the 4th Doctor, I like Tom Baker as the Doctor, I swear I do... Maybe just a tiny bit less than most everyone else seems to. Ok, so I do think he's just a *bit* overrated. He's perfectly fine, but there are multiple Doctors I like more than him... He isn't even my favorite Doctor with the surname of "Baker." But I never hid my love of Sixie. But he is on point here. He rocks a Sherlock Holmes cosplay for the entirety of the serial, for seemingly no reason at all, and he makes it work. He's actually more serious than I'm used to seeing 4 all throughout... (But he is still a bit silly a few times.)

-Probably the weakest part of this episode for me, (aside from the shitty giant rat effects, which I'll forgive because 70's and BBC,) was the main villain himself, Weng Chiang I mean, tyrant from he future, Magnus Greel. He isn't offensively bad or anything, he's perfectly passable in this story, and Big Finish sure has gotten a lot of mileage out of him over the years, but even with my limited knowledge of early Doctor Who episodes, he's a classic Who stereotype. Every time he spoke he reminded me of this:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=CR8SQyqV6TQ
Also, he wore a mask for most of the serial (smart) But when Leela pulled his mask off, he looked like this:
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Dumb.

Great review. You have inspired me to re watch this episode tonight. Pertwee/Baker Who, best Who. Jago and Litefood best Big Finish.
 
In response to Sunday's episode of Doctor Who, DigitalSpy decided to run a hitpiece on Nikolai Tesla. They associate him with the Nazi party and condemn the show for portraying him in a positive light.


Not even 80 years in the grave will spare you the wroth of idiot clickbaiters.

What a load of shit. He wasn't a Nazi. He supported a form of eugenics. So did Oliver Wendell Holmes, Margaret Sanger, the founder of Planned Parenthood, black activist W.E.B. Du Bois (no really), Alexander Graham Bell, and countless others who were also not Nazis.
 
Holy hell interest in Doctor Who has been deader than I've ever seen. Depressing to see the series shit the bed so bad. In its heyday there was talk of the show all over my favorite haunts, these days the only place its talked about is Gallifrey Base. Things have gotten quite... entertaining over there.

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Holy hell interest in Doctor Who has been deader than I've ever seen. Depressing to see the series shit the bed so bad. In its heyday there was talk of the show all over my favorite haunts, these days the only place its talked about is Gallifrey Base. Things have gotten quite... entertaining over there.
Must be because of how bad the last two seasons have been.
 
What a load of shit. He wasn't a Nazi. He supported a form of eugenics. So did Oliver Wendell Holmes, Margaret Sanger, the founder of Planned Parenthood, black activist W.E.B. Du Bois (no really), Alexander Graham Bell, and countless others who were also not Nazis.

W.E.B. Du Bois isn't all that surprising considering he's mostly famous for his 'talented tenth' concept.
 
Holy hell interest in Doctor Who has been deader than I've ever seen. Depressing to see the series shit the bed so bad. In its heyday there was talk of the show all over my favorite haunts, these days the only place its talked about is Gallifrey Base. Things have gotten quite... entertaining over there.

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There's a reason I've been going back to, and talking about, Classic Who and Big Finish. I can only take so much utter shit, and at the end of the day I'd rather actually *like* the things that I like than hate them.
Must be because of how bad the last two seasons have been.
Only the last 2 you say?
 
That would be a shock to the ending of War Games. (the who episode, not the movie)

No it wouldn't, that is my point. The Time Lords were only introduced in the last storyline of Troughton's run (not counting his return in cross-over episodes). I've underlined the relevant word in your post. When Hartnell became Troughton it wasn't because he was a Time Lord and regeneration was a thing they did. Troughton was essentially playing the same character as Hartnell; and when Troughton became Pertwee they talk about giving him a new face, not a new life and personality. The variations between them were not the same as the variations between post Pertwee Doctors where personality change was expected and written for Tom Baker is to thank for this because he was wildly different in personality to his predecessors. This established regeneration as something that re-made the Doctor in a more fundamental way whereas the previous two regenerations had been largely treated as physical make-overs.

In response to Sunday's episode of Doctor Who, DigitalSpy decided to run a hitpiece on Nikolai Tesla. They associate him with the Nazi party and condemn the show for portraying him in a positive light.


Not even 80 years in the grave will spare you the wroth of idiot clickbaiters.

In the words of the immortal Lo Pan, "this really pisses me off to no end". These sad fucks can create nothing, they can only criticize.

Holy hell interest in Doctor Who has been deader than I've ever seen. Depressing to see the series shit the bed so bad. In its heyday there was talk of the show all over my favorite haunts, these days the only place its talked about is Gallifrey Base. Things have gotten quite... entertaining over there.

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Ha! I remember Gallifrey Base. I remember during the early run of Matt Smith they were en masse hating on Amy because of her treatment of Rory. They were incel'ing it up something crazy about the bit where Rory tells the Doctor he's her boyfriend and she says "sort of boyfriend". It was all "how dare she treat him like that," and so forth. Her making out with the Doctor sent half of them into a tailspin of outrage on his behalf. The point that Rory was plainly friending her into a relationship and the Doctor was infinitely cooler and more attractive and Rory being in love with her shouldn't force her to respond in kind escaped half of them entirely. When she married Rory they were practically celebrating that she was no longer "unfaithful" to him. Hint: if someone corrects you right in front of you telling you that you are not their boyfriend, it means you ain't.

Bless the little sex-spurned beta population of Gallifrey Base and the few normal people who love Who so much they hang out there.
 
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In response to Sunday's episode of Doctor Who, DigitalSpy decided to run a hitpiece on Nikolai Tesla. They associate him with the Nazi party and condemn the show for portraying him in a positive light.


Not even 80 years in the grave will spare you the wroth of idiot clickbaiters.

In the words of the immortal Lo Pan, "this really pisses me off to no end".
 
I was never the biggest fan of Who, but my mom was, and I found a lot of eps enjoyable back in the day.

....I stopped watching the second we got to the Peter Capaldi seasons. The very first episode of that I could see the rot starting to set in. Best to cut it out now before it starts getting to anything important.
 
In response to Sunday's episode of Doctor Who, DigitalSpy decided to run a hitpiece on Nikolai Tesla. They associate him with the Nazi party and condemn the show for portraying him in a positive light.


Not even 80 years in the grave will spare you the wroth of idiot clickbaiters.

This is the audience BBC and Chinball wanted. Enjoy, you deserve it you hacks.

I was never the biggest fan of Who, but my mom was, and I found a lot of eps enjoyable back in the day.

....I stopped watching the second we got to the Peter Capaldi seasons. The very first episode of that I could see the rot starting to set in. Best to cut it out now before it starts getting to anything important.

My partner and I stopped after Bill was announced. The show had lost it's magic for us by then anyway. Capaldi could have been a great Doctor but the writing was just not up to snuff. I wish they'd ended it with Matt Smith but money.
 
There's a reason I've been going back to, and talking about, Classic Who and Big Finish. I can only take so much utter shit, and at the end of the day I'd rather actually *like* the things that I like than hate them.

Only the last 2 you say?

I like the Target audio books as well as the Big Finish stuff. When I was a kid I used to collect the paperbacks. One of the highlights of my childhood was going to the bookstore and picking up the novelizations. I remember being pretty psyched picking up The Tenth Planet and Tomb of the Cybermen.

I am super behind on Big Finish. Last thing I listened to was release 213 The Two Masters. Anything worth checking out since then?

I was never the biggest fan of Who, but my mom was, and I found a lot of eps enjoyable back in the day.

....I stopped watching the second we got to the Peter Capaldi seasons. The very first episode of that I could see the rot starting to set in. Best to cut it out now before it starts getting to anything important.

Yea. I must admit after the 50th I was more or less done with the new series. I saw bits and pieces of his run but didn't follow it regularly. It wasn't the fault of the actor. Capaldi was one of the best actors they had in the role. Things just started to go a bit too JNT.

I gave the new series another shot when Jodie took over but found it horribly bland and walked away for good.
 
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Ok, @Overly Serious, fair points and agree with most of the rest of your post except...

Troughton was essentially playing the same character as Hartnell; and when Troughton became Pertwee they talk about giving him a new face, not a new life and personality.

I'll admit I'm a casual fan, but have to question this. Just for one example, Troughton played the recorder, which neither Hartnall nor Pertwee did. Pertwee was the "action" doctor who knew martial arts, which neither 1 nor 2 demonstrated. True, Tom Baker may have had the most drastic change between them, but the previous ones still had changes. I mean just watch the 3 doctors for example.

SFDebris talks about the behind-the-scenes changes (which seemed designed around Troughton being a different character) here in part 1:

Her making out with the Doctor sent half of them into a tailspin of outrage on his behalf. The point that Rory was plainly friending her into a relationship and the Doctor was infinitely cooler and more attractive and Rory being in love with her shouldn't force her to respond in kind escaped half of them entirely.

Um... she made out with the Doctor the day before her wedding. I don't know much about meatbag rituals, but I'm pretty sure an engagement entitles you to an expectation that the other person won't be snogging people that aren't you.
 
Ok, @Overly Serious, fair points and agree with most of the rest of your post except...

I'll admit I'm a casual fan, but have to question this. Just for one example, Troughton played the recorder, which neither Hartnall nor Pertwee did. Pertwee was the "action" doctor who knew martial arts, which neither 1 nor 2 demonstrated. True, Tom Baker may have had the most drastic change between them, but the previous ones still had changes. I mean just watch the 3 doctors for example.

SFDebris talks about the behind-the-scenes changes (which seemed designed around Troughton being a different character) here in part 1:

Interesting link which I will watch and yes, I concede there's some level of it being a different character. But they didn't know what they were doing with the first couple of regenerations at all. Yes, Troughton started adding his own little spin on things and playing the recorder but it's nothing like the tradition of later regenerations where we all wait to see what personality the new Doctor is going to have. Tom Baker changed the game. He's not my favourite Doctor but he was a fundamental change in how the Doctor was developed thereafter.

Um... she made out with the Doctor the day before her wedding. I don't know much about meatbag rituals, but I'm pretty sure an engagement entitles you to an expectation that the other person won't be snogging people that aren't you.

Yeah, yeah, But as I said, they were seething about her right at the start. I'll tell you what I saw which was a woman say someone isn't their boyfriend and for him to literally correct her and tell her she's wrong in front of someone. THAT sent them on their hate-train against Amy because they all identified with the guy basically friending her into a relationship and acting entitled. Nobody should want to be that guy. The wedding? Sure - but play it only slightly differently and it's her dream guy and lifelong crush finally arriving just as she's about to settle for someone she's never really loved. And that's what Rory was at the start - someone she'd never been really in love with but was there in her little village and who she sort of kind of ended up in a relationship with. That changed radically later on in the season at which point all the Gallifrey Base incels started praising the new development and being happy again. In particular I remember the Amy's Choice episode where the Doctor manipulates her into a more committed relationship with Rory. It's one of my least favourite episodes for that reason. This is the one where an hallucinogenic parasite infests the ship and they have to work out which reality is true - the little village with the aliens or trapped on a dying TARDIS around a frozen star. At the end she literally sees Rory disintegrate before her eyes in an especially gruesome fashion and when they all recover (the Doctor first), the Doctor nudges Rory to be there when she wakes up. It's strongly implied in the episode that the Doctor worked out both were hallucinations early on but played it out to bring Amy and Rory together. I'm sorry but traumatically seeing a partner die before you and then being nudged into intimacy with them when they're suddenly restored, that's not a good basis for romance. It's fucking psychological manipulation. Gallifrey Base loved it. And from then on the writers rarely missed a chance to tell us how deeply in love Amy and Rory (incel viewpoint character) were. Rory did get better and I liked him more at the end of the season. But gods did they hate her as an independent woman.
 
Holy hell interest in Doctor Who has been deader than I've ever seen. Depressing to see the series shit the bed so bad. In its heyday there was talk of the show all over my favorite haunts, these days the only place its talked about is Gallifrey Base. Things have gotten quite... entertaining over there.

To be fair, if there is one thing I'll give to woke Who is that before ruining an existing franchise they did try to make a spinoff... that failed miserably.

Remember Class? Yeah me neither. I only watched the first episode due to Capaldi's doctor making an appearance, and then I never looked back again. It was dreadful, incredibly woke, and with a forced and shallow diverse cast. And it was basically made by a "young adult" novelist that was trying too hard to do a "Hello fellow kids" to appeals to teenagers.

IRCC that show unironically called LOTR "a movie for old people" ...while the black girl was a fan of the 90s version of Sailor Moon.Also one of the characters was an alien whose only purpose was to show how bigoted humans were for not accepting gay relationships (in 2016 btw). And the others were too flat and uninteresting for me to remember them.

Apart of me wishes Class would've been successful... so that it would've been a containment for their crap, and they wouldn't be ruining Doctor Who. Similar to how Torchwood was the place for all the adult stories they couldn't put in Doctor Who. (Except Torchwood was good)
 
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