Dr. Who

[Cactuar King]

the Doctor was infinitely cooler and more attractive

Have you seen Matt Smith?

 

[Stab You in the Back]

Have you seen Matt Smith?

Have you seen Adam Driver?

Nerd girls love an ugly man.

 

[UnKillFill]

I am super behind on Big Finish. Last thing I listened to was release 213 The Two Masters. Anything worth checking out since then?

Sorry I missed this.

I don't usually go for the main range stories these days unless they have a specific 'gimmick,' for lack of a better word, that I find interesting. (The Two Masters trilogy might actually be the most recent monthly range releases I've heard as well) But Big Finish's box sets in general have been pretty good lately.

I'm probably going to hear the recently released Dark Universe at some point since it seemingly ties into Doom Coalition, which I liked, and Ravenous... Which I thought could have been cut in half and lost nothing, but was ok.)



You didn't give me much to go on with what you like. (If you tell me other ones you've heard/liked I might be able to give you some more specific recommendations.) From the last story you heard, I'm going to assume you're a Master fan.

Right around the time you stopped listening, Jago and Litefoot crossed paths with the Master. (TBH it was one of the weaker J&L sets, but still an above average Big Finish release.) I'm not sure I'd call it an ideal jumping on point, but it was still relatively standalone as every J&L series is. I of course would recommend ANY Jago and Litefoot release you can get. The first story of their first boxset is Free

You might like the War Master box sets. Looks like the first episode of box 1 is also free at the moment. The Missy box set was surprisingly a lot of fun, and both River Song and Eight have recently crossed over with multiple Masters sets (I wouldn't recommend the Eight one without at least listening to the other 3 Ravenous sets, if not also all 4 of Doom Coalition first.) Also, the John Simm Master is coming to Big Finish soon and more importantly, bringing Alex Macqueen with him!

...I was especially annoyed with the way they suddenly paired him off with Martha out of the blue. I actually liked Martha and last we saw of her she was engaged to an intelligent doctor who seemed to have a lot in common with her. Whereas I can't see anything she had in common with Mickey other than skin colour and I honestly wondered if that was why the writers thought of putting them together.

Not gonna lie, RTD shipping Marfa and Mickey together off-screen right before he left because the two shared such great chemistry together a skin color may just be my favorite thing he ever did.

 

[UnKillFill]

You know, I've always suspected that Moffat was using River and Clara as some kind of self-inserts. Moffat was smart enough not to introduce a super special new guy named "Steven" and be obvious with it like Roddenberry and his self insert Wesley (he even named him after him). But using the companions would be more subtle, and less obvious.

River was a human that had time lord abilities and when she explained why she loved the doctor so much in the Capaldi era, it felt more like a fanboy than a romantic letter. And Clara was made to be essential to the origins of the doctor. She was the one that told him which TARDIS he should've stolen, and basically inspired the first doctor as a kid.

Those would be huge red flags for self insert Mary Sue fanfiction, but because those were female companions, most people don't see it that way.

I sincerely can't tell if he shills his female characters as some kind of self-insertion or as some form of Social Justice or maybe it's a little bit of both.

I think I disagree about Moffat putting in "female self-inserts." But I did notice some consistent recurring weirdness from female characters when he was running the show...

TBH, I think it's some sort of creepy beta-cuck fetish thing.

I was randomly googling, trying to find examples of what I'm talking about, and (the first half of) this article pretty much states my thoughts exactly, by pointing out that Moffat kept writing the exact same woman again and again: Sorry, this picture quality is kind of shit, but it's the best I found online and I don't actually care enough to remake it in HD.

I wouldn't at all be surprised if Moffat frequents a dominatrix... He clearly has a type.

 

[SnowBall]

Honestly I really dislike the “Moffat can’t write women” narrative that has spread around like wild fire thanks to the rise of woke culture in the early 2010’s. He definitely isn’t perfect but this mentality is so tiresome. The actresses have been pestered to death by fans and have constantly talked about how they enjoyed playing the characters and shot down all the misogyny rumors.

I think people in general are reading way too into things and looking for problems that aren’t there. Also most of these women don’t even act alike, the article is full of cherry picking and massive reaches. Also are there Moffat critical articles and texts that aren’t from Tumblrinas and feminist sites that whine about sexism? Because there are genuine reasons to dislike his writing but every anti Moffat hit piece I have ran into is from a fat danger hair or a beta soyboy (that includes hbomberguy.) If there are actual, well thought out articles from people not in these groups that fairly points out flaws I will be very happy to give them a shot and read them.

Sorry for the sperging, it is just after years of putting up with anti Moffat shrieking it is hard to tell what is genuine criticism and what is just sjw whining.

 

[UnKillFill]

Honestly I really dislike the “Moffat can’t write women” narrative that has spread around like wild fire thanks to the rise of woke culture in the early 2010’s. He definitely isn’t perfect but this mentality is so tiresome. The actresses have been pestered to death by fans and have constantly talked about how they enjoyed playing the characters and shot down all the misogyny rumors.

I think people in general are reading way too into things and looking for problems that aren’t there. Also most of these women don’t even act alike, the article is full of cherry picking and massive reaches. Also are there Moffat critical articles and texts that aren’t from Tumblrinas and feminist sites that whine about sexism? Because there are genuine reasons to dislike his writing but every anti Moffat hit piece I have ran into is from a fat danger hair or a beta soyboy (that includes hbomberguy.) If there are actual, well thought out articles from people not in these groups that fairly points out flaws I will be very happy to give them a shot and read them.

Sorry for the sperging, it is just after years of putting up with anti Moffat shrieking it is hard to tell what is genuine criticism and what is just sjw whining.

So this seems to be a criticism of the post I made right before yours (If it isn't, and it's just a coincidence, then I apologize,) But if it is.. I never said "Moffat can't write women"
I just said that most of the women Moffat wrote were shitty stereotypes of dominatrix's, and he probably wants to be fucked by them.

 

[Cyril Sneer]

So this seems to be a criticism of the post I made right before yours (If it isn't, and it's just a coincidence, then I apologize,) But if it is.. I never said "Moffat can't write women"
I just said that most of the women Moffat wrote were shitty stereotypes of dominatrix's, and he probably wants to be fucked by them.

Marvel's long-running X-Men writer, Chris Claremont (1970s-1990s) used to do that a lot. There are rumors that he actually would hire hookers to beat him up for his sexual gratification.

 

[Goodbye Horses]

Marvel's long-running X-Men writer, Chris Claremont (1970s-1990s) used to do that a lot. There are rumors that he actually would hire hookers to beat him up for his sexual gratification.

Even better, he would hire hookers to dress up as Storm from the X-Men and then beat him up for his sexual gratification.

 

[Krokodil Overdose]

Even better, he would hire hookers to dress up as Storm from the X-Men and then beat him up for his sexual gratification.

When that story first circulated, many people were disgusted... but nobody was surprised.

W/r/t Moffat, he does have a relatively limited stable of stock characters he fell back on, and "severely dressed older villainess" was one of them. Hell, he's populated time and space with enough young, speshul stronk wamman to fill a football roster. Dunno if there's anything going on beyond that.

 

[SnowBall]

So this seems to be a criticism of the post I made right before yours (If it isn't, and it's just a coincidence, then I apologize,) But if it is.. I never said "Moffat can't write women"
I just said that most of the women Moffat wrote were shitty stereotypes of dominatrix's, and he probably wants to be fucked by them.

It wasn’t a criticism of your post, I was talking about the fandom in general. I actually wrote out this post a few days ago and forgot about it until I saw the reply box had it saved as a draft.

 

[Cyril Sneer]

Even better, he would hire hookers to dress up as Storm from the X-Men and then beat him up for his sexual gratification.

Yes, Storm and a few other characters, if I recall correctly (let's face it: if the stories are true, there's approximately a 0.001% chance that he wasn't paying some hooker to dress up as the sadistic, leather-clad "Black Queen" persona that he created for Jean Grey).

 

[Flexo]

Honestly I really dislike the “Moffat can’t write women” narrative that has spread around like wild fire thanks to the rise of woke culture in the early 2010’s. He definitely isn’t perfect but this mentality is so tiresome. The actresses have been pestered to death by fans and have constantly talked about how they enjoyed playing the characters and shot down all the misogyny rumors.

I think people in general are reading way too into things and looking for problems that aren’t there. Also most of these women don’t even act alike, the article is full of cherry picking and massive reaches. Also are there Moffat critical articles and texts that aren’t from Tumblrinas and feminist sites that whine about sexism? Because there are genuine reasons to dislike his writing but every anti Moffat hit piece I have ran into is from a fat danger hair or a beta soyboy (that includes hbomberguy.) If there are actual, well thought out articles from people not in these groups that fairly points out flaws I will be very happy to give them a shot and read them.

Sorry for the sperging, it is just after years of putting up with anti Moffat shrieking it is hard to tell what is genuine criticism and what is just sjw whining.

I don't always agree with this guy, but do quite often. I think he points out the problem perfectly.

 

[Return of the Freaker]

The Doctor was always female! Checkmate, Brexit Nazis!

Spoiler

Doctor Who has just introduced a forgotten incarnation of the Doctor - and rewritten the entire show's history. Doctor Who has always enjoyed hinting that viewers have only seen a fraction of the Doctor's adventures, with the enigmatic Time Lord name-dropping various historical figures and constantly referencing stories that have never been shown.

And yet, all that pales into insignificance compared to the season 12 episode "Fugitive of the Judoon." In this episode, the Doctor stumbles into a crisis in the English cathedral city of Gloucester; the alien police force/mercenaries known as the Judoon have come to Earth, hunting for a dangerous fugitive. The Doctor intervenes, of course, attempting to act as an arbitrator and resolve the situation. In doing so, she finds herself investigating the mystery behind a woman named Ruth Clayton (played by Jo Martin).

RELATED: Doctor Who Writes Out Torchwood & UNIT With A Single Line

As far as Ruth is concerned, she's an ordinary human being. But - prompted by flashes of memory and a last text message from her husband - she takes the Doctor to the lighthouse she believes she grew up in. There, she learns the truth, and regains her memories. It turns out Ruth Clayton is really a Time Lord. In fact, she's not just a Time Lord; she's the Doctor.

RUTH & THE NEW DOCTOR EXPLAINED

"Fugitive of the Judoon" spends quite some time detailing the domestic lives of Ruth Clayton and her husband, Lee. It seems they've lived in Gloucester for quite a few years, with Ruth operating as a self-employed tour guide because of her love of Gloucester's history. The episode hints that there might be something strange about Ruth's husband; a local businessman who's infatuated with Ruth has been researching Lee, and has discovered holes in his backstory. But Ruth's potential suitor has only done half the job, and hasn't identified the exact same kind of gaps in Ruth's personal history too.

In reality, Ruth and Lee Clayton are two Time Lords who have used a device called a Chameleon Arch to integrate themselves into human civilization. The Chameleon Arch was introduced in the David Tennant era, and it's essentially a tool to allow a Time Lord to seamlessly blend into another race; it modifies both the biology and memories of a person, so they have no idea who or even what they used to be. Previous episodes have featured Chameleon Arches in the shape of fob-watches, but Ruth's is actually a fire alarm in the lighthouse she believes she grew up in. When she breaks the glass, Ruth's memories are restored. She then raids boxes in the basement, and finds time for a quick change of clothes, before introducing herself to Whittaker's Doctor... as the Doctor.

"You’re probably a bit confused right now," Jo Martin's Doctor tells Whittaker's, understating the case because she hasn't yet realized that Whittaker is the Doctor as well. The episode goes to great lengths to confirm that both Martin and Whittaker really are different incarnations of the same Time Lord, with all the usual tropes from any multi-Doctor story; there are personality clashes galore, and the two Doctors occasionally speak each other's thoughts because they share the same brain. Later, the Judoon - who are working for the Time Lords - scan the two Doctors, and realize they are the same person. Hilariously, the Judoon initially hope to capitalize on this by charging double.

RELATED: Doctor Who Season 12 Continues Steven Moffat's Time Lord Retcon

WHERE THE NEW DOCTOR FITS IN THE DOCTOR WHO TIMELINE

This is a multi-Doctor story with a difference, because Martin's Doctor and Whittaker's have absolutely no knowledge of one another. The episode strongly hints that Martin's is a pre-Whittaker, however, and in fact may well be pre-Hartnell. Her TARDIS interior bears a close resemblance to Hartnell's, she has Hartnell's habit of referring to the TARDIS as her "ship," and she doesn't know what the sonic screwdriver is. That last piece of evidence is particularly significant, because the sonic screwdriver was created by Patrick Troughton's Doctor. There is, however, one distinct problem with this theory; Martin's Doctor possesses a TARDIS already stuck in the shape of a police box. The Chameleon Circuit only broke down when William Hartnell's Doctor settled in 1963 for a while, so there's something odd going on here.


Whittaker's Doctor may have no memory of Martin's, but curiously in season 12 the Doctor suggested she'd been female before. What's more, in the Peter Capaldi episode "Worlds Enough and Time," the Doctor remembered his days at the Academy - and his early friendship with the Master. "I think she was a man back then," he observed. "I'm fairly sure that I was, too. It was a long time ago, though." Previous Doctors have sometimes struggled to remember what happened to their past selves, particularly in the case of regenerative trauma, so it's possible that Whittaker does have some deeply-buried and long-forgotten memories. It's also possible, of course, that her memories of Martin's Doctor have been purposefully erased.


WHAT THE NEW DOCTOR MEANS FOR DOCTOR WHO HISTORY (MORE REGENERATIONS)

Assuming that Martin's Doctor really is pre-Whittaker, then it means there have been more incarnations of the Doctor than anybody ever suspected. But that actually has major implications for Doctor Who canon, because Time Lords can only b 12 times. Matt Smith's Doctor apparently reached the end of his natural regeneration cycle in "The Time of the Doctor," and was saved when the Time Lords granted him another cycle. Counting Martin, however, the last Doctor should have been Tennant's; the one way round this is to suggest that the Time Lords had extended the Doctor's life once before. If that's the case, Doctor Who hasn't just introduced one forgotten Doctor; it's implied the existence of thirteen.


This dovetails neatly with the classic Doctor Who series. Back in the Tom Baker era, one story - "The Brain of Morbius" - saw the Doctor engage in a psychic battle with another Renegade Time Lord. Morbius forced the Doctor to relive his past incarnations, and the screen showed flashes of Jon Pertwee, Patrick Troughton, and then William Hartnell. Surprisingly, it moved on to display another eight mysterious faces, all wearing period garb. Producer Philip Hinchcliffe told the Radio Times that he definitely intended to suggest there had been other versions of the Doctor before Hartnell. "I just reasoned that it was entirely possible that William Hartnell may not have been the first Doctor Who," he explained. "So yes, as far as [writer] Bob [Holmes] and I were concerned, the other faces were meant to be past Doctors… it is true to say that I attempted to imply that William Hartnell was not the first Doctor." It's entirely possible that this won't be considered an implication by the end of season 12.


RELATED: Why Doctor Who Keeps Retconning Gallifrey's Destruction

COULD THE NEW DOCTOR BE THE TIMELESS CHILD?

All this raises the curious question of whether Martin's Doctor could be the mysterious Timeless Child, the driving mystery of Doctor Who season 12. The Master claimed that the Timeless Child was the dark secret at the heart of the Time Lord race; "Everything we were told was a lie," he told the Doctor, sounding personally affronted by some unknown deceit. "We are not who we think. You or I. The whole existence of our species - built on the lie of the Timeless Child." The Master's words triggered some sort of vision in the Doctor, and she glimpsed what was presumably the Timeless Child, a young girl with dark skin, clad in what appeared to be Gallifreyan robes, standing outside a citadel that seemed to be of early Gallifreyan design. It's quite possible this girl grew up to become Martin's Doctor.


Supporting this theory, there's some evidence Martin's Doctor may well originate from the time of ancient Gallifrey. Certainly her period's Time Lords were willing to hire the Judoon to do their dirty work and capture the Doctor, and they're likely the ones who gave the cosmic mercenaries a dirty temporal weapon. That's significant, because those kind of weapons were used by the Time Lords in a period of history known as the Dark Times, when they abused their mastery over time. In Doctor Who season 11, episode 2, the monstrous Remnants - dangerous ribbon-creatures - described the Timeless Child as "the outcast, abandoned and unknown." Martin's relationship with the Time Lords was clearly fraught, and it's not hard to imagine her ultimately becoming an outcast, with all memory of her existence erased.


WHAT ELSE NEW DOCTOR ACTOR JO MARTIN HAS STARRED IN

This is a big break for actress Jo Martin, who can now officially be called the first black Doctor. Born in London, Martin started out in shows like Birds of a Feather, The Brittas Empire, and The Bill. On the big screen, she's best known for a string of minor movie roles - most notably a prison guard in Batman Begins. Over the last decade, Martin has appeared in everything from Fleabag to Jonathan Creek, and became a regular in hospital drama Holby City. Hopefully she'll become a regular in Doctor Who as well, given her skillful performance.[/QUOTE]

Seriously how long until we get an episode where BoJo is the Master in disguise?

 

[Kerr Avon]

I can't wait to see what they top the sheboon with. Because we know this won't he enough to satisfy them, eventually.

 

[Cyril Sneer]

I can't wait to see what they top the sheboon with. Because we know this won't he enough to satisfy them, eventually.

Calling it now: the next Doctor will be played by the troon from the rheum-zombies episode with Capaldi.

 

[Flexo]

The Doctor was always female! Checkmate, Brexit Nazis!

Spoiler

Doctor Who has just introduced a forgotten incarnation of the Doctor - and rewritten the entire show's history. Doctor Who has always enjoyed hinting that viewers have only seen a fraction of the Doctor's adventures, with the enigmatic Time Lord name-dropping various historical figures and constantly referencing stories that have never been shown.

And yet, all that pales into insignificance compared to the season 12 episode "Fugitive of the Judoon." In this episode, the Doctor stumbles into a crisis in the English cathedral city of Gloucester; the alien police force/mercenaries known as the Judoon have come to Earth, hunting for a dangerous fugitive. The Doctor intervenes, of course, attempting to act as an arbitrator and resolve the situation. In doing so, she finds herself investigating the mystery behind a woman named Ruth Clayton (played by Jo Martin).

RELATED: Doctor Who Writes Out Torchwood & UNIT With A Single Line

As far as Ruth is concerned, she's an ordinary human being. But - prompted by flashes of memory and a last text message from her husband - she takes the Doctor to the lighthouse she believes she grew up in. There, she learns the truth, and regains her memories. It turns out Ruth Clayton is really a Time Lord. In fact, she's not just a Time Lord; she's the Doctor.

RUTH & THE NEW DOCTOR EXPLAINED

"Fugitive of the Judoon" spends quite some time detailing the domestic lives of Ruth Clayton and her husband, Lee. It seems they've lived in Gloucester for quite a few years, with Ruth operating as a self-employed tour guide because of her love of Gloucester's history. The episode hints that there might be something strange about Ruth's husband; a local businessman who's infatuated with Ruth has been researching Lee, and has discovered holes in his backstory. But Ruth's potential suitor has only done half the job, and hasn't identified the exact same kind of gaps in Ruth's personal history too.

In reality, Ruth and Lee Clayton are two Time Lords who have used a device called a Chameleon Arch to integrate themselves into human civilization. The Chameleon Arch was introduced in the David Tennant era, and it's essentially a tool to allow a Time Lord to seamlessly blend into another race; it modifies both the biology and memories of a person, so they have no idea who or even what they used to be. Previous episodes have featured Chameleon Arches in the shape of fob-watches, but Ruth's is actually a fire alarm in the lighthouse she believes she grew up in. When she breaks the glass, Ruth's memories are restored. She then raids boxes in the basement, and finds time for a quick change of clothes, before introducing herself to Whittaker's Doctor... as the Doctor.

"You’re probably a bit confused right now," Jo Martin's Doctor tells Whittaker's, understating the case because she hasn't yet realized that Whittaker is the Doctor as well. The episode goes to great lengths to confirm that both Martin and Whittaker really are different incarnations of the same Time Lord, with all the usual tropes from any multi-Doctor story; there are personality clashes galore, and the two Doctors occasionally speak each other's thoughts because they share the same brain. Later, the Judoon - who are working for the Time Lords - scan the two Doctors, and realize they are the same person. Hilariously, the Judoon initially hope to capitalize on this by charging double.

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RELATED: Doctor Who Season 12 Continues Steven Moffat's Time Lord Retcon

WHERE THE NEW DOCTOR FITS IN THE DOCTOR WHO TIMELINE

This is a multi-Doctor story with a difference, because Martin's Doctor and Whittaker's have absolutely no knowledge of one another. The episode strongly hints that Martin's is a pre-Whittaker, however, and in fact may well be pre-Hartnell. Her TARDIS interior bears a close resemblance to Hartnell's, she has Hartnell's habit of referring to the TARDIS as her "ship," and she doesn't know what the sonic screwdriver is. That last piece of evidence is particularly significant, because the sonic screwdriver was created by Patrick Troughton's Doctor. There is, however, one distinct problem with this theory; Martin's Doctor possesses a TARDIS already stuck in the shape of a police box. The Chameleon Circuit only broke down when William Hartnell's Doctor settled in 1963 for a while, so there's something odd going on here.


Whittaker's Doctor may have no memory of Martin's, but curiously in season 12 the Doctor suggested she'd been female before. What's more, in the Peter Capaldi episode "Worlds Enough and Time," the Doctor remembered his days at the Academy - and his early friendship with the Master. "I think she was a man back then," he observed. "I'm fairly sure that I was, too. It was a long time ago, though." Previous Doctors have sometimes struggled to remember what happened to their past selves, particularly in the case of regenerative trauma, so it's possible that Whittaker does have some deeply-buried and long-forgotten memories. It's also possible, of course, that her memories of Martin's Doctor have been purposefully erased.


WHAT THE NEW DOCTOR MEANS FOR DOCTOR WHO HISTORY (MORE REGENERATIONS)

Assuming that Martin's Doctor really is pre-Whittaker, then it means there have been more incarnations of the Doctor than anybody ever suspected. But that actually has major implications for Doctor Who canon, because Time Lords can only b 12 times. Matt Smith's Doctor apparently reached the end of his natural regeneration cycle in "The Time of the Doctor," and was saved when the Time Lords granted him another cycle. Counting Martin, however, the last Doctor should have been Tennant's; the one way round this is to suggest that the Time Lords had extended the Doctor's life once before. If that's the case, Doctor Who hasn't just introduced one forgotten Doctor; it's implied the existence of thirteen.


This dovetails neatly with the classic Doctor Who series. Back in the Tom Baker era, one story - "The Brain of Morbius" - saw the Doctor engage in a psychic battle with another Renegade Time Lord. Morbius forced the Doctor to relive his past incarnations, and the screen showed flashes of Jon Pertwee, Patrick Troughton, and then William Hartnell. Surprisingly, it moved on to display another eight mysterious faces, all wearing period garb. Producer Philip Hinchcliffe told the Radio Times that he definitely intended to suggest there had been other versions of the Doctor before Hartnell. "I just reasoned that it was entirely possible that William Hartnell may not have been the first Doctor Who," he explained. "So yes, as far as [writer] Bob [Holmes] and I were concerned, the other faces were meant to be past Doctors… it is true to say that I attempted to imply that William Hartnell was not the first Doctor." It's entirely possible that this won't be considered an implication by the end of season 12.


RELATED: Why Doctor Who Keeps Retconning Gallifrey's Destruction

COULD THE NEW DOCTOR BE THE TIMELESS CHILD?

All this raises the curious question of whether Martin's Doctor could be the mysterious Timeless Child, the driving mystery of Doctor Who season 12. The Master claimed that the Timeless Child was the dark secret at the heart of the Time Lord race; "Everything we were told was a lie," he told the Doctor, sounding personally affronted by some unknown deceit. "We are not who we think. You or I. The whole existence of our species - built on the lie of the Timeless Child." The Master's words triggered some sort of vision in the Doctor, and she glimpsed what was presumably the Timeless Child, a young girl with dark skin, clad in what appeared to be Gallifreyan robes, standing outside a citadel that seemed to be of early Gallifreyan design. It's quite possible this girl grew up to become Martin's Doctor.


Supporting this theory, there's some evidence Martin's Doctor may well originate from the time of ancient Gallifrey. Certainly her period's Time Lords were willing to hire the Judoon to do their dirty work and capture the Doctor, and they're likely the ones who gave the cosmic mercenaries a dirty temporal weapon. That's significant, because those kind of weapons were used by the Time Lords in a period of history known as the Dark Times, when they abused their mastery over time. In Doctor Who season 11, episode 2, the monstrous Remnants - dangerous ribbon-creatures - described the Timeless Child as "the outcast, abandoned and unknown." Martin's relationship with the Time Lords was clearly fraught, and it's not hard to imagine her ultimately becoming an outcast, with all memory of her existence erased.


WHAT ELSE NEW DOCTOR ACTOR JO MARTIN HAS STARRED IN

This is a big break for actress Jo Martin, who can now officially be called the first black Doctor. Born in London, Martin started out in shows like Birds of a Feather, The Brittas Empire, and The Bill. On the big screen, she's best known for a string of minor movie roles - most notably a prison guard in Batman Begins. Over the last decade, Martin has appeared in everything from Fleabag to Jonathan Creek, and became a regular in hospital drama Holby City. Hopefully she'll become a regular in Doctor Who as well, given her skillful performance.

Spoiler

Seriously how long until we get an episode where BoJo is the Master in disguise?

[/QUOTE]
What the new hell is this fan fiction shit??
Let's just make all time lords the Doctor. Even the master!

 

[AverageAnimeWatcher]

I don't always agree with this guy, but do quite often. I think he points out the problem perfectly.

The Doctor was always female! Checkmate, Brexit Nazis!

What?! Now the doctor was always a black woman before hartnell? And they just introduced her in a random episode to outwoke any future showrunner and have the "we did it first" badge? for asspats on twitter?! I have no words for how stupid this is. I sincerely can't believe they actually did this.

.... I miss Moffat so much.

That's it, I'm done. For me this show ended with Capaldi.

 

[Miller]

The Doctor was always female! Checkmate, Brexit Nazis!

Spoiler

Doctor Who has just introduced a forgotten incarnation of the Doctor - and rewritten the entire show's history. Doctor Who has always enjoyed hinting that viewers have only seen a fraction of the Doctor's adventures, with the enigmatic Time Lord name-dropping various historical figures and constantly referencing stories that have never been shown.

And yet, all that pales into insignificance compared to the season 12 episode "Fugitive of the Judoon." In this episode, the Doctor stumbles into a crisis in the English cathedral city of Gloucester; the alien police force/mercenaries known as the Judoon have come to Earth, hunting for a dangerous fugitive. The Doctor intervenes, of course, attempting to act as an arbitrator and resolve the situation. In doing so, she finds herself investigating the mystery behind a woman named Ruth Clayton (played by Jo Martin).

RELATED: Doctor Who Writes Out Torchwood & UNIT With A Single Line

As far as Ruth is concerned, she's an ordinary human being. But - prompted by flashes of memory and a last text message from her husband - she takes the Doctor to the lighthouse she believes she grew up in. There, she learns the truth, and regains her memories. It turns out Ruth Clayton is really a Time Lord. In fact, she's not just a Time Lord; she's the Doctor.

RUTH & THE NEW DOCTOR EXPLAINED

"Fugitive of the Judoon" spends quite some time detailing the domestic lives of Ruth Clayton and her husband, Lee. It seems they've lived in Gloucester for quite a few years, with Ruth operating as a self-employed tour guide because of her love of Gloucester's history. The episode hints that there might be something strange about Ruth's husband; a local businessman who's infatuated with Ruth has been researching Lee, and has discovered holes in his backstory. But Ruth's potential suitor has only done half the job, and hasn't identified the exact same kind of gaps in Ruth's personal history too.

In reality, Ruth and Lee Clayton are two Time Lords who have used a device called a Chameleon Arch to integrate themselves into human civilization. The Chameleon Arch was introduced in the David Tennant era, and it's essentially a tool to allow a Time Lord to seamlessly blend into another race; it modifies both the biology and memories of a person, so they have no idea who or even what they used to be. Previous episodes have featured Chameleon Arches in the shape of fob-watches, but Ruth's is actually a fire alarm in the lighthouse she believes she grew up in. When she breaks the glass, Ruth's memories are restored. She then raids boxes in the basement, and finds time for a quick change of clothes, before introducing herself to Whittaker's Doctor... as the Doctor.

"You’re probably a bit confused right now," Jo Martin's Doctor tells Whittaker's, understating the case because she hasn't yet realized that Whittaker is the Doctor as well. The episode goes to great lengths to confirm that both Martin and Whittaker really are different incarnations of the same Time Lord, with all the usual tropes from any multi-Doctor story; there are personality clashes galore, and the two Doctors occasionally speak each other's thoughts because they share the same brain. Later, the Judoon - who are working for the Time Lords - scan the two Doctors, and realize they are the same person. Hilariously, the Judoon initially hope to capitalize on this by charging double.

View attachment 1117825
RELATED: Doctor Who Season 12 Continues Steven Moffat's Time Lord Retcon

WHERE THE NEW DOCTOR FITS IN THE DOCTOR WHO TIMELINE

This is a multi-Doctor story with a difference, because Martin's Doctor and Whittaker's have absolutely no knowledge of one another. The episode strongly hints that Martin's is a pre-Whittaker, however, and in fact may well be pre-Hartnell. Her TARDIS interior bears a close resemblance to Hartnell's, she has Hartnell's habit of referring to the TARDIS as her "ship," and she doesn't know what the sonic screwdriver is. That last piece of evidence is particularly significant, because the sonic screwdriver was created by Patrick Troughton's Doctor. There is, however, one distinct problem with this theory; Martin's Doctor possesses a TARDIS already stuck in the shape of a police box. The Chameleon Circuit only broke down when William Hartnell's Doctor settled in 1963 for a while, so there's something odd going on here.


Whittaker's Doctor may have no memory of Martin's, but curiously in season 12 the Doctor suggested she'd been female before. What's more, in the Peter Capaldi episode "Worlds Enough and Time," the Doctor remembered his days at the Academy - and his early friendship with the Master. "I think she was a man back then," he observed. "I'm fairly sure that I was, too. It was a long time ago, though." Previous Doctors have sometimes struggled to remember what happened to their past selves, particularly in the case of regenerative trauma, so it's possible that Whittaker does have some deeply-buried and long-forgotten memories. It's also possible, of course, that her memories of Martin's Doctor have been purposefully erased.


WHAT THE NEW DOCTOR MEANS FOR DOCTOR WHO HISTORY (MORE REGENERATIONS)

Assuming that Martin's Doctor really is pre-Whittaker, then it means there have been more incarnations of the Doctor than anybody ever suspected. But that actually has major implications for Doctor Who canon, because Time Lords can only b 12 times. Matt Smith's Doctor apparently reached the end of his natural regeneration cycle in "The Time of the Doctor," and was saved when the Time Lords granted him another cycle. Counting Martin, however, the last Doctor should have been Tennant's; the one way round this is to suggest that the Time Lords had extended the Doctor's life once before. If that's the case, Doctor Who hasn't just introduced one forgotten Doctor; it's implied the existence of thirteen.


This dovetails neatly with the classic Doctor Who series. Back in the Tom Baker era, one story - "The Brain of Morbius" - saw the Doctor engage in a psychic battle with another Renegade Time Lord. Morbius forced the Doctor to relive his past incarnations, and the screen showed flashes of Jon Pertwee, Patrick Troughton, and then William Hartnell. Surprisingly, it moved on to display another eight mysterious faces, all wearing period garb. Producer Philip Hinchcliffe told the Radio Times that he definitely intended to suggest there had been other versions of the Doctor before Hartnell. "I just reasoned that it was entirely possible that William Hartnell may not have been the first Doctor Who," he explained. "So yes, as far as [writer] Bob [Holmes] and I were concerned, the other faces were meant to be past Doctors… it is true to say that I attempted to imply that William Hartnell was not the first Doctor." It's entirely possible that this won't be considered an implication by the end of season 12.


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COULD THE NEW DOCTOR BE THE TIMELESS CHILD?

All this raises the curious question of whether Martin's Doctor could be the mysterious Timeless Child, the driving mystery of Doctor Who season 12. The Master claimed that the Timeless Child was the dark secret at the heart of the Time Lord race; "Everything we were told was a lie," he told the Doctor, sounding personally affronted by some unknown deceit. "We are not who we think. You or I. The whole existence of our species - built on the lie of the Timeless Child." The Master's words triggered some sort of vision in the Doctor, and she glimpsed what was presumably the Timeless Child, a young girl with dark skin, clad in what appeared to be Gallifreyan robes, standing outside a citadel that seemed to be of early Gallifreyan design. It's quite possible this girl grew up to become Martin's Doctor.


Supporting this theory, there's some evidence Martin's Doctor may well originate from the time of ancient Gallifrey. Certainly her period's Time Lords were willing to hire the Judoon to do their dirty work and capture the Doctor, and they're likely the ones who gave the cosmic mercenaries a dirty temporal weapon. That's significant, because those kind of weapons were used by the Time Lords in a period of history known as the Dark Times, when they abused their mastery over time. In Doctor Who season 11, episode 2, the monstrous Remnants - dangerous ribbon-creatures - described the Timeless Child as "the outcast, abandoned and unknown." Martin's relationship with the Time Lords was clearly fraught, and it's not hard to imagine her ultimately becoming an outcast, with all memory of her existence erased.


WHAT ELSE NEW DOCTOR ACTOR JO MARTIN HAS STARRED IN

This is a big break for actress Jo Martin, who can now officially be called the first black Doctor. Born in London, Martin started out in shows like Birds of a Feather, The Brittas Empire, and The Bill. On the big screen, she's best known for a string of minor movie roles - most notably a prison guard in Batman Begins. Over the last decade, Martin has appeared in everything from Fleabag to Jonathan Creek, and became a regular in hospital drama Holby City. Hopefully she'll become a regular in Doctor Who as well, given her skillful performance.

Seriously how long until we get an episode where BoJo is the Master in disguise?

What?! Now the doctor was always a black woman before hartnell? And they just introduced her in a random episode to outwoke any future showrunner and have the "we did it first" badge? for asspats on twitter?! I have no words for how stupid this is. I sincerely can't believe they actually did this.

.... I miss Moffat so much.

That's it, I'm done. For me this show ended with Capaldi.

It's Star Trek Discovery all over again.

 

[Overly Serious]

@Return of the Freaker. Well done. I've rarely seen so much effort go into a shitpost. About half-way through it I was starting to half-believe this really was the latest episode of Doctor Who.

I'm going to have a lie down now - that was truly epic satire and I've laughed myself out. What really happened in the episode?

 

[Return of the Freaker]

The Doctor was always female! Checkmate, Brexit Nazis!

Spoiler

Doctor Who has just introduced a forgotten incarnation of the Doctor - and rewritten the entire show's history. Doctor Who has always enjoyed hinting that viewers have only seen a fraction of the Doctor's adventures, with the enigmatic Time Lord name-dropping various historical figures and constantly referencing stories that have never been shown.

And yet, all that pales into insignificance compared to the season 12 episode "Fugitive of the Judoon." In this episode, the Doctor stumbles into a crisis in the English cathedral city of Gloucester; the alien police force/mercenaries known as the Judoon have come to Earth, hunting for a dangerous fugitive. The Doctor intervenes, of course, attempting to act as an arbitrator and resolve the situation. In doing so, she finds herself investigating the mystery behind a woman named Ruth Clayton (played by Jo Martin).

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As far as Ruth is concerned, she's an ordinary human being. But - prompted by flashes of memory and a last text message from her husband - she takes the Doctor to the lighthouse she believes she grew up in. There, she learns the truth, and regains her memories. It turns out Ruth Clayton is really a Time Lord. In fact, she's not just a Time Lord; she's the Doctor.

RUTH & THE NEW DOCTOR EXPLAINED

"Fugitive of the Judoon" spends quite some time detailing the domestic lives of Ruth Clayton and her husband, Lee. It seems they've lived in Gloucester for quite a few years, with Ruth operating as a self-employed tour guide because of her love of Gloucester's history. The episode hints that there might be something strange about Ruth's husband; a local businessman who's infatuated with Ruth has been researching Lee, and has discovered holes in his backstory. But Ruth's potential suitor has only done half the job, and hasn't identified the exact same kind of gaps in Ruth's personal history too.

In reality, Ruth and Lee Clayton are two Time Lords who have used a device called a Chameleon Arch to integrate themselves into human civilization. The Chameleon Arch was introduced in the David Tennant era, and it's essentially a tool to allow a Time Lord to seamlessly blend into another race; it modifies both the biology and memories of a person, so they have no idea who or even what they used to be. Previous episodes have featured Chameleon Arches in the shape of fob-watches, but Ruth's is actually a fire alarm in the lighthouse she believes she grew up in. When she breaks the glass, Ruth's memories are restored. She then raids boxes in the basement, and finds time for a quick change of clothes, before introducing herself to Whittaker's Doctor... as the Doctor.

"You’re probably a bit confused right now," Jo Martin's Doctor tells Whittaker's, understating the case because she hasn't yet realized that Whittaker is the Doctor as well. The episode goes to great lengths to confirm that both Martin and Whittaker really are different incarnations of the same Time Lord, with all the usual tropes from any multi-Doctor story; there are personality clashes galore, and the two Doctors occasionally speak each other's thoughts because they share the same brain. Later, the Judoon - who are working for the Time Lords - scan the two Doctors, and realize they are the same person. Hilariously, the Judoon initially hope to capitalize on this by charging double.

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WHERE THE NEW DOCTOR FITS IN THE DOCTOR WHO TIMELINE

This is a multi-Doctor story with a difference, because Martin's Doctor and Whittaker's have absolutely no knowledge of one another. The episode strongly hints that Martin's is a pre-Whittaker, however, and in fact may well be pre-Hartnell. Her TARDIS interior bears a close resemblance to Hartnell's, she has Hartnell's habit of referring to the TARDIS as her "ship," and she doesn't know what the sonic screwdriver is. That last piece of evidence is particularly significant, because the sonic screwdriver was created by Patrick Troughton's Doctor. There is, however, one distinct problem with this theory; Martin's Doctor possesses a TARDIS already stuck in the shape of a police box. The Chameleon Circuit only broke down when William Hartnell's Doctor settled in 1963 for a while, so there's something odd going on here.


Whittaker's Doctor may have no memory of Martin's, but curiously in season 12 the Doctor suggested she'd been female before. What's more, in the Peter Capaldi episode "Worlds Enough and Time," the Doctor remembered his days at the Academy - and his early friendship with the Master. "I think she was a man back then," he observed. "I'm fairly sure that I was, too. It was a long time ago, though." Previous Doctors have sometimes struggled to remember what happened to their past selves, particularly in the case of regenerative trauma, so it's possible that Whittaker does have some deeply-buried and long-forgotten memories. It's also possible, of course, that her memories of Martin's Doctor have been purposefully erased.


WHAT THE NEW DOCTOR MEANS FOR DOCTOR WHO HISTORY (MORE REGENERATIONS)

Assuming that Martin's Doctor really is pre-Whittaker, then it means there have been more incarnations of the Doctor than anybody ever suspected. But that actually has major implications for Doctor Who canon, because Time Lords can only b 12 times. Matt Smith's Doctor apparently reached the end of his natural regeneration cycle in "The Time of the Doctor," and was saved when the Time Lords granted him another cycle. Counting Martin, however, the last Doctor should have been Tennant's; the one way round this is to suggest that the Time Lords had extended the Doctor's life once before. If that's the case, Doctor Who hasn't just introduced one forgotten Doctor; it's implied the existence of thirteen.


This dovetails neatly with the classic Doctor Who series. Back in the Tom Baker era, one story - "The Brain of Morbius" - saw the Doctor engage in a psychic battle with another Renegade Time Lord. Morbius forced the Doctor to relive his past incarnations, and the screen showed flashes of Jon Pertwee, Patrick Troughton, and then William Hartnell. Surprisingly, it moved on to display another eight mysterious faces, all wearing period garb. Producer Philip Hinchcliffe told the Radio Times that he definitely intended to suggest there had been other versions of the Doctor before Hartnell. "I just reasoned that it was entirely possible that William Hartnell may not have been the first Doctor Who," he explained. "So yes, as far as [writer] Bob [Holmes] and I were concerned, the other faces were meant to be past Doctors… it is true to say that I attempted to imply that William Hartnell was not the first Doctor." It's entirely possible that this won't be considered an implication by the end of season 12.


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COULD THE NEW DOCTOR BE THE TIMELESS CHILD?

All this raises the curious question of whether Martin's Doctor could be the mysterious Timeless Child, the driving mystery of Doctor Who season 12. The Master claimed that the Timeless Child was the dark secret at the heart of the Time Lord race; "Everything we were told was a lie," he told the Doctor, sounding personally affronted by some unknown deceit. "We are not who we think. You or I. The whole existence of our species - built on the lie of the Timeless Child." The Master's words triggered some sort of vision in the Doctor, and she glimpsed what was presumably the Timeless Child, a young girl with dark skin, clad in what appeared to be Gallifreyan robes, standing outside a citadel that seemed to be of early Gallifreyan design. It's quite possible this girl grew up to become Martin's Doctor.


Supporting this theory, there's some evidence Martin's Doctor may well originate from the time of ancient Gallifrey. Certainly her period's Time Lords were willing to hire the Judoon to do their dirty work and capture the Doctor, and they're likely the ones who gave the cosmic mercenaries a dirty temporal weapon. That's significant, because those kind of weapons were used by the Time Lords in a period of history known as the Dark Times, when they abused their mastery over time. In Doctor Who season 11, episode 2, the monstrous Remnants - dangerous ribbon-creatures - described the Timeless Child as "the outcast, abandoned and unknown." Martin's relationship with the Time Lords was clearly fraught, and it's not hard to imagine her ultimately becoming an outcast, with all memory of her existence erased.


WHAT ELSE NEW DOCTOR ACTOR JO MARTIN HAS STARRED IN

This is a big break for actress Jo Martin, who can now officially be called the first black Doctor. Born in London, Martin started out in shows like Birds of a Feather, The Brittas Empire, and The Bill. On the big screen, she's best known for a string of minor movie roles - most notably a prison guard in Batman Begins. Over the last decade, Martin has appeared in everything from Fleabag to Jonathan Creek, and became a regular in hospital drama Holby City. Hopefully she'll become a regular in Doctor Who as well, given her skillful performance.

God I just read back through this and of course the doctor was a brave WOC who was LITERALLY ERASED (i'm shaking, i affirmatively consent to being held) by those evil patriarchal Time Lords! I bet they're all a bunch of str***ht c*s wh*t* m*l*s!

And of course we have to retcon Hartnell, he was an old stale pale white male back when Britain was still (barely) an empire! No good, I guess maybe shove him into the corner over there. The REAL star of the show is this beautiful Nubian Kween!