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That's not a revival thing, just the revival cribbing from a much better Tom Baker story.
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Is not from the revival
I miss the times of Eccleston were the Doctor actually hated the Daleks with all his soul
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Doctor Dindwho nuffin.
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The only thing we are sure is that she is after Hartnell but after that her timeline became muddy, the other thing one can theorize is that she comes from the time war for her connection with Gat and that she doesn't know that gallifrey was exterminatus twice out of existence one by the doctor himself in one timeline and the other by the master
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Not exactly. Don't get me wrong, I agree It doesn't make sense for her to be pre-Hartnell, especially with Clara meeting the first doctor twice, and making very clear Hartnell was first. And I personally wish they didn't make her the original doctor.
But, sadly, that isn't ruled out with Chibnall doing the classic "everything is a lie" that's basically writer speak for an excuse to throw any canon we got out of the window. Even if he miraculously doesn't ignore canon, there are still two ways she could be pre-Hartnell:
Cartmel(classic Who writer), already tried to introduce a pre-Hartnell doctor, by creating an older incarnation called "the other".
Cartmel Masterplan
The Cartmel Masterplan was a term invented by fans and popularised by Doctor Who Magazine that very roughly described the overall "vision" script editor Andrew Cartmel and his cadre of writers, including Marc Platt and Ben Aaronovitch, had for re-introducing mystery and general darkness into the...
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So, Doctor Ruth could be The Other. It would make a lot of sense this is what Chiball is trying to do with all that "timeless child"/Gallifrey retcons. The Other also happens to be a retcon that introduces an older incarnation of The doctor and changes Gallifrey''s history. Coincidence?
Also Missy revealed some facts about the doctor, but only one was fake. Among them was that she said that she knew the doctor since he was a little girl:
We all assumed the doctor being a little girl was the lie, because he kidnaped the president's daughter, not his wife. But it's also a loophole they could use
edit: Also some people have pointed out that the classic episode, The brain of Morbius, heavily implied there were several doctors before Hartnell:
The Brain of Morbius (TV story)
The Brain of Morbius was the fifth serial of season 13 of Doctor Who. It referred to the Doctor's past and had a scene featuring mindbending that introduced contentious elements to the shows' mythos. The story was influenced by Mary Shelley's Frankenstein and the film adaptations thereof. Mad...
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I'm not fond of Doctor Ruth tbh, but the least damage to continuity would've to be between 2 and 3 I think. It's the only gap unaccounted between regenerations, that you could squeeze something if you only go by the tv show(no big finish etc). War doctor made sense because there was a gap between 8 and 9 (we never saw 8 becoming 9). But all the others we've seen them regenerate into another doctor so far.
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She can't be pre-hartnell because she has a TARDIS even the name was coined by Susan and she was born when Hartnell was around, and Hartnell did not get one it until he stole it to flee Gallifrey, it also has the Blue box shape, that happened only after Hartnell begun his travels aka before the circuit got faulty
Pretty sure that was a lie, we already know that the first doctor was male until this recent regeneration but this episode has been weird because it also stated that "the same time lord in the same place would destroy the time stream" but we have seen the doctor meeting himself several times
After reading his article in the wikia it could be, because sooner or later they have to tackle the reason for why the Master decided to go full imperium of man on Gallifrey, and that involves the founding fathers of gallifrey
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Instead of everyone fruitlessly banging their heads against the wall trying to fit the Beeb's latest diversity-hire into continuity, I wonder how different things would be today if Canada's Nelvana studios had actually gotten the go-ahead to begin production on their proposed, Moebius-influenced animated series back in the late 1980s? 
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Oh, well, to clarify, I was coming from a “ don’t think Canon will stop them angle.” Because that has never stopped SJWs. I wasn’t trying to throw canon at you and tell you “ nu uh, you are wrong.”
Canonically, nothing they did to ruin Star Wars or Star Trek makes much sense either. (Or Smallville, but that’s another topic).
It doesn’t make sense that Luke Skywalkwer tried to murder his nephew or that the federation became an evil xenophobic organization.
It doesn’t make sense Romulans suddenly hate AIs because they showed interest and even appreciation for Data in TNG. Or that the vast Romulans Star empire suddenly can’t help to house refugees.
And yet it all happened because canon was just in the way of their political message. And they simply ignored it. Luke had to become a has-been to shill Rey. And the Romulans, and the federation had to change because canon was in the way of a Brexit metaphor.
Same goes for Doctor Ruth, I don’t think “canon” was ever an obstacle for her existence.
I wasn’t trying to shut down your theory or contradict you. Sorry if it seemed that way. Just lamenting the fact that we are living in a time where politics are more important over good storytelling.
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I mean after the Rosa Park and "Earth after global warming is fallout on steroids" episode i can see your point, i still did not get Demons of the punjab
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I don't watch Doctor who since Capaldi left, but I'm actually curious about next week's episode.
Not because I expect it to be good, heck I don't plan to watch it, but rather I want to know if this "Timelesschild" thing will be a nothing burger like The Hybrid or "Silence will fall" that were overhyped and in the end didn't mean anything important. Or if Chibnall will screw continuity to wokeifey Doctor Who and use a stupid retcon like the doctor being "Half-human" that movie did (and everyone ignored since).
I hope he doesn't do something as stupid as retconning Time Lords to actually be humans or that the doctor was always a woman before Hartnell.
I don't even watch the show anymore and I can see those "twists" from a mile away, and the only reason people would be shocked would be that nobody thinks Chibnall would be retarded enough to actually do it. And I sincerely hope he won't go that low.
Not because I expect it to be good, heck I don't plan to watch it, but rather I want to know if this "Timelesschild" thing will be a nothing burger like The Hybrid or "Silence will fall" that were overhyped and in the end didn't mean anything important. Or if Chibnall will screw continuity to wokeifey Doctor Who and use a stupid retcon like the doctor being "Half-human" that movie did (and everyone ignored since).
I hope he doesn't do something as stupid as retconning Time Lords to actually be humans or that the doctor was always a woman before Hartnell.
I don't even watch the show anymore and I can see those "twists" from a mile away, and the only reason people would be shocked would be that nobody thinks Chibnall would be retarded enough to actually do it. And I sincerely hope he won't go that low.
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I'm going to spoil the hell out of this so you've been warned.
Jesus CHRIST, I just skimmed the last episode (didn't care about the cybermen plot). Turns out I was right.
Chibnall just killed Doctor Who.
It was way worse than I thought. Honestly, if the fandom doesn't get their pitchforks for this... You can say the world has officially gone mad.
Chibnall retconned Doctor who in a way even Moffat wouldn't dare. Chibnall is officially the worst thing that has happened to Doctor Who. I can't stress that enough. It's worse than The doctor being half-human
Long story short: The doctor is actually an alien from another universe that was found abandoned below a portal to another universe on another planet that isn't Gallifrey.
The first doctor was not Hartnell but in fact, a black girl, also known as the timeless child. She was adopted by a Gallifreyan woman that also happened to be the first woman to travel with space ships and found her while exploring another planet (the show shills how smart the first Gallifreyan space explorer was btw for obvious reasons).
(That's the first incarnation of the doctor btw)
The black girl (aka the doctor), died falling from a cliff and regenerated into another girl. Her mother discovered The doctor could regenerate infinitely and experimented on her triggering several regenerations in the process.
Once she was an old woman, the doctor's adoptive mother then reverse-engineered regeneration from the doctor and turned into a black man (yes really) and timelord society then injected the ability to themselves limited to 12 times.
But that' s not all.
Turns out that before Hartnell, the doctor spent several lives/incarnations working for a super-secret Time Lord agency dedicated to meddling with history. The agency then erased the doctor's memories of his time in this agency, Meaning Ruth and many other pre-Hartnell doctors are running around, but the doctor doesn't remember she was Ruth, or other incarnations, because of that mind wipe.
Someone erased the evidence of how many incarnations existed pre-Hartnell. But the show makes it clear they were a lot. She did spend time with the master and the academy but that wasn't the doctor's first life
Oh, and the master used the corpses of all the timelords to create some Cybertimelords that can regenerate and die with a last-minute asspull.
Yes, it's bad as it sounds. Doctor Who managed to become even more woke than before. In fact, I think it out-wokes Star Wars and Star Trek. At this point nothing, but a hard retcon could save this show.
I would take any Clara shilling episode over this. I miss Moffat so much...
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Moffat laid the groundwork and frame for this bullshit tho. Doctor / Master Troon and a nonbinary horse thing.
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I don't know.
I mean when he made the doctor a woman as a joke way back then, or when he teased the idea in the show proper, I always took it as him just being a fanboy going wild with an idea/theory he had when he watched the show as a kid and not him using it as a way to preach wokeness. TBH I suspect a young nerdy Moffat getting turned on by the idea of a female doctor as being his real motivation.
The fact that Missy turned out being a good character shows to me he thought of this gender change as one of his many other crazy theories he made canon like the doctor inspiring the word "doctor" to mean healer on Earth.
I won't defend Moffat's nonbinary horse or the constant men bashing, however.
Chibnall on the other hand just out woked Star wars and Star Trek and that's saying a lot.
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What a bunch of bullshit are you telling me that they deleted the other incarnations of his own Time stream? did chibnell just burned to the ground ALL the plots of Matt smith era? just for woke points? Clara entered the doctor time stream and she saw ALL his incarnations
Fuck him with a chainsaw he is now the Matt Ward of Doctor Who
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That's right. And that's not counting all the times the doctor regenerated as a child. The doctor started life as a black girl (aka the timelesschild), then turned Asian And also was a black boy and a white girl....
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(That girl is the second doctor btw)
And the others incarnations of the doctor as a child:
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SJWs don't care about canon, They never have, and never will.
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Metacritic and Rotten tomatoes is a war zone full of autism, im downloading the episode right now to see how bad it is