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There is something quite poetic about how a show about time travel is being beaten into the dirt by a show about showing off relics from the past
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They handwaved that part as the average British just not willing to make a fuss back then.
Strax, maybe. But I don't think the lizard can just claim she has leprosy and leave it at that.
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I would have been able to accept that if the first few episodes had someone in the background shouting "It's a demon!" even if they were instantly shushed by a friend or whatever.
Edit: A burgerlander shouldn't have to correct the writing of Doctor Who.
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No idea what you are talking about. Doctor Who ended in 2017.
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Haven't watched Who in years - but man, I remember people shat on Moffat in the day. Bet they're fucking begging for him to come back.
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OMG. It's real... the BBC put this abomination on their channel!
https://youtube.com/watch?v=FtFhy_Tgt6A
Screw this! I'm going to the Pluto tv classic who channel and I'm not coming back!
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The Daleks should have won.
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When we first saw Madame Vastra she wore a black veil in public and the few people who did see her face fainted or were restrained in their reactions by the fact that everyone else around them was acting like it was normal. That latter is actually how humans behave.
Plus if any society was going to handle a lizard woman lets consider that it probably would be the Victorians. Earlier societies would freak out because she was a "demon" or "faerie" or something. Modern societies would freak out because of the scientific implications. The Victorians were at the perfect pitch between rationality and imagination. As a society they had realised that there were scientific wonders out there with explorers coming back and reporting about (or bringing back) strange minature people (pygmies), orangutans, they were digging up the fossils of giant prehistoric lizards and reconstructing them to learn that there were whole eras before the dawn of man by virtue of the strata of the rock the bones were found in. Darwin's Origin of the Species was published in the 1850's so by late Victorian period (Madame Vastra riffs on Jack the Ripper which was around 1890, iirc) there had been twenty years of people getting used to the ideas of evolution and changing species. So no longer living in a world of deities and inexplicable phenomenon, but not yet certain of everything and enraptured by an age of near daily new discoveries. I quite genuinely cannot think of a real world time or place more likely than Victorian England that someone might be looked in the face by a lizard woman and attempt conversation.
They did get a bit too silly with it later, but for a Christmas episode or the Crimson Death one (come on - that was a pretty fun episode), it's not that terrible is it? Doctor Who has always done lighter episodes. There's a difference between doing a lighter episode and not giving a damn the way this episode did or that horribly disrespectful recreation of the First Doctor.
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There's still a tiny part of me that wonders if this is all this is a red herring, a setup for a reveal that the Doctor has actually been experiencing the Master's origins, or that it was all completely made up somehow, in order for the Master to emotionally manipulate the Doctor to twist herself into a remorseless, tyrannical, inhuman monster. (Maybe by using his knowledge of neurological sex differences to do so? With the Master as the Timeless Child or even as Missy, he would be far more familiar with this than the Doctor would be).
....On second thought, I take that back. The current crop of writers would somehow make that idea even more autistic than it already is.
....On second thought, I take that back. The current crop of writers would somehow make that idea even more autistic than it already is.
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I have just become numb to it at this point. Its just become all too much.
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Eh, my biggest problem with lesbo lizard lady is what a cunt she is to... Pretty much everyone she talks to on screen who isn't the Doctor. She's borderline abusive to her girlfriend (In other words, a fairly realistic portrayal of a lesbian relationship... kudos I guess, but still not at all pleasant to watch.), and she treats Strax like he's her slave (Also not at all pleasant to watch. Why does he still serve her? Surely he doesn't *need* to stay on earth with them, wouldn't the Doctor be willing to take him literally *anywhere* else if he asked, after he helped out at the battle of Demon's Run?). But yeah, lesbo lizard lady bitching at Clara for not immediately being ok that the dude she was clearly fancying previously, turned into an old dude even though this was after she had supposedly been splintered throughout the Doctor's timeline and thus seen him as *multiple* old dudes... but ok, I guess Clara-prime didn't remember any of that... she never mentioned remembering it, so I guess I have to buy that... Even though it would have been better if she did. Sta tuned for my redraft of the 50th, I think I'll release it soon... was a particularly cunty.
I guaran-damn-tee that if the 9th Doctor had turned into a geriatric 10th Doctor, Rose Tyler would have been exponentially more butthurt that the dude she *literally* left her boyfriend for, ended up turning into an old guy, than Clara was... because Rose always was and still is a terrible fucking person... Nobody ever called her out though, so it's cool.
This is a random side note, but I actually listened to the first "Paternoster Gang" Big Finish box set mostly because I still like actually like Strax, especially after he crossed over with Jago and Litefoot, and jeez what a missed opportunity that we never got a full crossover before Trevor Baxter died. and funny enough... At one point, the gang run into a "bizarro version" of themselves as antagonists... Called "The Bloomsbury Bunch": A (still) female silurian, a male human, and their leader- a Sontaran, who is in a gay relationship with the male human. They don't get much, and despite them getting an out that set them up to become recurring villains,
I guaran-damn-tee that if the 9th Doctor had turned into a geriatric 10th Doctor, Rose Tyler would have been exponentially more butthurt that the dude she *literally* left her boyfriend for, ended up turning into an old guy, than Clara was... because Rose always was and still is a terrible fucking person... Nobody ever called her out though, so it's cool.
This is a random side note, but I actually listened to the first "Paternoster Gang" Big Finish box set mostly because I still like actually like Strax, especially after he crossed over with Jago and Litefoot, and jeez what a missed opportunity that we never got a full crossover before Trevor Baxter died. and funny enough... At one point, the gang run into a "bizarro version" of themselves as antagonists... Called "The Bloomsbury Bunch": A (still) female silurian, a male human, and their leader- a Sontaran, who is in a gay relationship with the male human. They don't get much, and despite them getting an out that set them up to become recurring villains,
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but I think the media may have a tough time spinning this one as “Doctor Who fans are racist/sexist”. I’m not saying they won’t try, but most of the criticism I’ve seen elsewhere so far has focused on why this doesn’t work on a story level (which is what really matters) rather than sperging about “muh SJWs, muh woke PC culture, etc”. Also, the Jo Martin Doctor has been very warmly received by the fandom, even in light of the reveal. A few rags ran thinkpieces about how the divided reaction to her after “Fugitive of the Judoon” showed Britain was still racist, but aside from a few “We wuz kangz” jokes (which I’ve only seen here), I haven’t seen anyone say anything bad about her. Heck, I’ve seen some people say she should’ve been the first female Doctor, and I kind of agree - she has a Big Finish-era Colin Baker vibe to her which is an improvement over Tennant with tits and the sanctimoniousness dialled up to 11.
The other problem is that even if you strip away le epic twist, “The Timeless Child” is a dreadful episode in its own right. The Cyberman plot is background noise (although the new Cybermen look kino) and the Doctor behaves like an arsehole throughout the episode. She leaves an old man to die in her place because she was too much of a coward to do it herself and then abandons a TARDIS - a living, sentient being - on a desolate world with nothing more than a “thanks for the ride mate!” What a bitch.
As I’ve said, I’m sure there will be some outlets out there that will try to go for the racism/sexism angle, but they can’t ignore the fact that even the reception from professional critics has been all over the place:
You done fucked up Chibnall. Even the normies know something’s up.
but I think the media may have a tough time spinning this one as “Doctor Who fans are racist/sexist”. I’m not saying they won’t try, but most of the criticism I’ve seen elsewhere so far has focused on why this doesn’t work on a story level (which is what really matters) rather than sperging about “muh SJWs, muh woke PC culture, etc”. Also, the Jo Martin Doctor has been very warmly received by the fandom, even in light of the reveal. A few rags ran thinkpieces about how the divided reaction to her after “Fugitive of the Judoon” showed Britain was still racist, but aside from a few “We wuz kangz” jokes (which I’ve only seen here), I haven’t seen anyone say anything bad about her. Heck, I’ve seen some people say she should’ve been the first female Doctor, and I kind of agree - she has a Big Finish-era Colin Baker vibe to her which is an improvement over Tennant with tits and the sanctimoniousness dialled up to 11.The other problem is that even if you strip away le epic twist, “The Timeless Child” is a dreadful episode in its own right. The Cyberman plot is background noise (although the new Cybermen look kino) and the Doctor behaves like an arsehole throughout the episode. She leaves an old man to die in her place because she was too much of a coward to do it herself and then abandons a TARDIS - a living, sentient being - on a desolate world with nothing more than a “thanks for the ride mate!” What a bitch.
As I’ve said, I’m sure there will be some outlets out there that will try to go for the racism/sexism angle, but they can’t ignore the fact that even the reception from professional critics has been all over the place:
You done fucked up Chibnall. Even the normies know something’s up.
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The only good thing to come out of this guy is the nickname "Chinballs."
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Before Doctor Who it was Star Wars. Before Star Wars it was Star Trek. Before Star Trek it was comics and so many others. These hacks are going after everything at this point. The Terminator, Charlies Angels, The Lord of the Rings, it just goes on and on. So long as Warhammer 40k continues to resist, I pray we all find protection in the light of the God Emperor and that the coming Eisenhorne TV show is good.
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I think you mean 1989.
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no it was 1963
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Nope. The new series had its share of high points. Writing it off like that would be foolishness.
The Doctor Falls is a great ending. The Master dies. The Doctor sick of living refuses to regenerate and dies.
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Nobody's mentioned how fucking with the origins of the Timelords fucks with another theme of Who villains.
The trifecta of antagonists has been Daleks, Cybermen and Timelords. In classic who this was a lot more evident with them trying to police the Doctor's actions and being dicks, but there were real world implications underneath this.
>Daleks
inspired by fascist WW2 enemies of Britain. Kill anything that wasn't like us.
>Cybermen
inspired by the contemporary Soviet forces. We will assimilate you and destroy what you value. We will also punish and snuff out any deviation from what the state wants. Also, you already have sympathisers to our cause within your ranks so be vigilant.
>Timelords
Time LORDS. Clearly a dig at the British aristocracy. Its very easy nowadays to argue WW2 was good versus evil and defeating those that would trivialise human life, but look at the state of Britain at the time. It had the world's largest empire, and thousands of people that legally just flat out had more rights and protections than anybody else, in some cases because their family was part of the NORMAN invasion 1000 years prior.
Classism is a very real thing in the UK, and the doctor hanging around with humans is like the son of a duke running around with a bunch of norfposting football hooligans.
The Doctor rejects what he sees as the arbitrary and unhelpful customs of his culture, and while he does a lot of good overall, by the standards of his own people he's average at best-- his big plus is being proactive. Not being passive like the rest of his race, though they don't see it as a positive.
So what Chibnall's doing by gene splicing Timelords... aside from the other lore rapes... is validating the Timelords' whole superiority complex. They ran a eugenics program and came out better for it. They also kicked away the ladder for anybody else who was interested.
The formal aristocracy parallels aren't as strong today as they were in the 60s and 70s but it still boils down to Haves and Have-nots, and Chibnall went from the Doctor having a point about the society's at times flawed value system, into making Gallifrey's prejudices totally justified because their caste system isn't based off of upbringing or proven talent or assigned responsibilities, TimeLords are just flat out better than everybody else and they always will be.
The trifecta of antagonists has been Daleks, Cybermen and Timelords. In classic who this was a lot more evident with them trying to police the Doctor's actions and being dicks, but there were real world implications underneath this.
>Daleks
inspired by fascist WW2 enemies of Britain. Kill anything that wasn't like us.
>Cybermen
inspired by the contemporary Soviet forces. We will assimilate you and destroy what you value. We will also punish and snuff out any deviation from what the state wants. Also, you already have sympathisers to our cause within your ranks so be vigilant.
>Timelords
Time LORDS. Clearly a dig at the British aristocracy. Its very easy nowadays to argue WW2 was good versus evil and defeating those that would trivialise human life, but look at the state of Britain at the time. It had the world's largest empire, and thousands of people that legally just flat out had more rights and protections than anybody else, in some cases because their family was part of the NORMAN invasion 1000 years prior.
Classism is a very real thing in the UK, and the doctor hanging around with humans is like the son of a duke running around with a bunch of norfposting football hooligans.
The Doctor rejects what he sees as the arbitrary and unhelpful customs of his culture, and while he does a lot of good overall, by the standards of his own people he's average at best-- his big plus is being proactive. Not being passive like the rest of his race, though they don't see it as a positive.
So what Chibnall's doing by gene splicing Timelords... aside from the other lore rapes... is validating the Timelords' whole superiority complex. They ran a eugenics program and came out better for it. They also kicked away the ladder for anybody else who was interested.
The formal aristocracy parallels aren't as strong today as they were in the 60s and 70s but it still boils down to Haves and Have-nots, and Chibnall went from the Doctor having a point about the society's at times flawed value system, into making Gallifrey's prejudices totally justified because their caste system isn't based off of upbringing or proven talent or assigned responsibilities, TimeLords are just flat out better than everybody else and they always will be.