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Tragi-Chan said:
- Why trick the Doctor into thinking it was her? He has a history of trying to get the Doctor on side and he likes fucking with people. Maybe he thinks confronted with the same revelation he had, she’ll go the same way. Maybe he wants her to understand his motives so she’ll leave him alone. Lots of possibilities.
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Hell you could even have it be unintentional. Pull continuity from the "10th doctor erases donna's memories to save her life" thing and have it be revealed that the Hartnell era doctor tried to use the same telepathic fuckery to wipe the proto-masters mind of its infinite lifetimes of trauma to avoid him/her dying the same way, only for it accidentally feedback into his own mind and wind up buried in his subconscious until the shit with gallifrey's destruction/resurrection/re-destruction brought it to the surface, while the master lost the memories but retained a now aimless and directionless insanity which he focused on the doctor for reasons he himself did not fully understand

......actually come to think of it this shit could be used to vindicate that crappy "the next doctor" special everybody tried to forget from tennants era by repeating its plotline but with the Doctor being the one with the mindfuck memory issues

But then here we all are again....trying to think of ways to unfuck the corpses of franchises we once loved instead of moving on like we should have done a long time ago...
 
Comicsgeist said:
Here's the problem with 'starving the beast' when it comes to the BBC. They are licence fee funded and don't have to give a shit about ratings. They get their money anyway so they can burn Dr Who to the ground of they want and don't have to worry about advertisers or funding as long as the BBC backs that choice. Which it seems that they absolutely do.
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I respectfully disagree with this part. We've been here before. The writers of the Seventh Doctor's run had a covert plan to push Left Wing politics and do everything they could through the show to bring down Thatcher. (For all the good it did them). They left us with such skin-crawling moments as Ace talking about "White kids did it then ran away". And Doctor Who was so disliked by that point that it collapsed and disappeared for nearly two decades. The BBC do have to care about ratings. Firstly they make money by flogging shows abroad and DW was a big money maker for it (though every American I personally knew who watched it has stopped now). Secondly, the Tories are a bit sick of the BBC's obvious partisanship and have been making the odd rumble about reviewing things. And what makes that actually matter unlike on previous occasions is that the people will be largely supportive. Most people I know don't really watch broadcast TV any more. They have paid channels and services like Netflix. Now if you're saying the BBC think they can do what they like I might agree with you. But as I say, they've been wrong before.

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Judge Holden said:
Hell you could even have it be unintentional. Pull continuity from the "10th doctor erases donna's memories to save her life" thing and have it be revealed that the Hartnell era doctor tried to use the same telepathic fuckery to wipe the proto-masters mind of its infinite lifetimes of trauma to avoid him/her dying the same way, only for it accidentally feedback into his own mind and wind up buried in his subconscious until the shit with gallifrey's destruction/resurrection/re-destruction brought it to the surface, while the master lost the memories but retained a now aimless and directionless insanity which he focused on the doctor for reasons he himself did not fully understand

......actually come to think of it this shit could be used to vindicate that crappy "the next doctor" special everybody tried to forget from tennants era by repeating its plotline but with the Doctor being the one with the mindfuck memory issues
https://youtube.com/watch?v=XLePGIamOqg
But then here we all are again....trying to think of ways to unfuck the corpses of franchises we once loved instead of moving on like we should have done a long time ago...
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I mean, not gonna like, I kinda wish David Morrissey had been the next Doctor and not that weird goblin thing, Matt Smith.
 
Cactuar King said:
I mean, not gonna like, I kinda wish David Morrissey had been the next Doctor and not that weird goblin thing, Matt Smith.
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Morrissey would have made a fine Doctor, but Smith was fantastic until the writing let him down mid-Series 6. Even then, he was still really good more often than not.
 
Comicsgeist said:
Here's the problem with 'starving the beast' when it comes to the BBC. They are licence fee funded and don't have to give a shit about ratings. They get their money anyway so they can burn Dr Who to the ground of they want and don't have to worry about advertisers or funding as long as the BBC backs that choice. Which it seems that they absolutely do.
Why are you getting this bullshit in everything, including a Pajeet David Copperfield and a Victorian London in Dr Who that looks like the UN?
It's a fucking BBC mandate. You literally will not get funding without meeting diversity quotas:

BBC - Diversity, portrayal and representation - Commissioning

Contacts and information about Television on-screen and off-screen portrayal form, Diamond (DIAMOND), the diversity code of practice, diversity data, silvermouse, the Children's on and off-screen portrayal form and Production Access Guide along with the diversity and inclusion development fund...
www.bbc.co.uk
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Should be pointed out, the "Pajeet David Copperfield" was a spoof movie "The Personal History of David Copperfield" and it's the brilliant Dev Patel. Sod off with playing that daft card.

It even has a fucking scene with a woman beating a donkey and some irish men in the trailer while Hugh Laurie comments on how kind a person she is as she's beating the shit out of people like some sort of lazy british MMA.
 
Bowelstrek's theory about Doctor Who being cyclical is holding up pretty well. Thirteen is absolutely tracking with Seven, ham-handed politics, declining ratings, shrinking budget, the works.
 
Krokodil Overdose said:
Bowelstrek's theory about Doctor Who being cyclical is holding up pretty well. Thirteen is absolutely tracking with Seven, ham-handed politics, declining ratings, shrinking budget, the works.
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I missed that hypothesis. Where was it brought up?

UnKillFill said:
Say what you will about Smith's looks, the dude actually looked like an alien.
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With Karen Gillian in the TARDIS I never noticed anyone else on screen.
 
Flexo said:
I missed that hypothesis. Where was it brought up?
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Right here. It's from 2017, but held up damn well so far.

Flexo said:
With Karen Gillian in the TARDIS I never noticed anyone else on screen.
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The character actually aquitted herself pretty well (though she couldn't escape the Moffat railroading into being the most importantest specialest EVAR that came to a head with Clara.)
 
Krokodil Overdose said:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=VWdGJghKBAA Right here. It's from 2017, but held up damn well so far.



The character actually aquitted herself pretty well (though she couldn't escape the Moffat railroading into being the most importantest specialest EVAR that came to a head with Clara.)
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Thanks!

And yeah... I appreciated Amy for the "plot" than her actual plot. She could have her moments, she could also be a raging bitch sometimes. My probably favorite of her would be The Doctor's Wife. (One of my top modern episodes and one that Clara had to screw up - damn her.)

(Though Jenna is hella cute.)
 
Flexo said:
And yeah... I appreciated Amy for the "plot" than her actual plot. She could have her moments, she could also be a raging bitch sometimes.
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It's true. I was a bit smitten with Gillian at first, but by the end of it I was glad she left, mostly because she became *mostly* bitch (offscreen) by Series 7.
 
Overly Serious said:
The writers of the Seventh Doctor's run had a covert plan to push Left Wing politics and do everything they could through the show to bring down Thatcher. (For all the good it did them). They left us with such skin-crawling moments as Ace talking about "White kids did it then ran away".
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It didn't help that JNT was coked out of his mind and doing incredibly dumb shit like whatever the hell Colin Baker's outfit was supposed to be, and spent more time being a pederast and molesting fans than thinking about the show apparently. Everything else was a symptom of the rot at top.
 
Krokodil Overdose said:
Bowelstrek's theory about Doctor Who being cyclical is holding up pretty well. Thirteen is absolutely tracking with Seven, ham-handed politics, declining ratings, shrinking budget, the works.
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Adding to that, I personally think 13 is also more like the opposite of 6. In that, while Colin Baker was purposely playing the doctor as arrogant, an unlikeable to contrast himself with his predecessor, he still came out as pretty cool with some great memorable episodes and scenes. 13 tries so hard to be likable by copying her more liked predecessors like using cheap nostalgia bait like wearing a fess, and yet, comes as very unlikeable, and to me, she is the worst of the 13 doctors by far.
 
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Pixy Misa said:
I hope this plan of theirs fails. But tbh on my end, I'm done with the show unless they retcon this.
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There is a way to retcon this but it require Chibnall to admit he fucked it up, you see in the old lore it was implied several times that the Doctor was actually a clone of the original founder of Gallifrey, if he decide to stop drinking soy for a minute then he could make all his stupid shit like Doctor Ruth work because he has to explain also how Ruth has a TARDIS with the box form, he has to explain why Smith had a limit on his regenerations and has to explain why his pre Hartnell incarnations were not present when Clara was in the Doctor time stream, if he use the clone plot then the old lore stay intact and he can keep his POCs doctors to wank them on comics, books and whatever he wants later
 
Cubanodun said:
There is a way to retcon this but it require Chibnall to admit he fucked it up, you see in the old lore it was implied several times that the Doctor was actually a clone of the original founder of Gallifrey, if he decide to stop drinking soy for a minute then he could make all his stupid shit like Doctor Ruth work because he has to explain also how Ruth has a TARDIS with the box form, he has to explain why Smith had a limit on his regenerations and has to explain why his pre Hartnell incarnations were not present when Clara was in the Doctor time stream, if he use the clone plot then the old lore stay intact and he can keep his POCs doctors to wank them on comics, books and whatever he wants later
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Of course that could be a good way out.

Trouble is that SJWs don’t see the doctor as a fictional character but as an institution.

“First female doctor” is no different in their minds from “first black president”. They didn’t do this to have more flavors of the doctor, they did it to hijack a popular character for a political agenda,

Chibnall could’ve easily made an OC female time lord like Moffat did, or a female clone as you say, but the goal wasn’t adding, it was corrupting what was already there.
 
Cubanodun said:
There is a way to retcon this but it require Chibnall to admit he fucked it up, you see in the old lore it was implied several times that the Doctor was actually a clone of the original founder of Gallifrey, if he decide to stop drinking soy for a minute then he could make all his stupid shit like Doctor Ruth work because he has to explain also how Ruth has a TARDIS with the box form, he has to explain why Smith had a limit on his regenerations and has to explain why his pre Hartnell incarnations were not present when Clara was in the Doctor time stream, if he use the clone plot then the old lore stay intact and he can keep his POCs doctors to wank them on comics, books and whatever he wants later
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I think it could be simpler than that. Just have it revealed it was an elaborate hoax by the Master to try and break the Doctor, and he didn’t admit it at the time because he was so butthurt it didn’t work after all the planning. Ruth could be a random Time Lord he kidnapped from Gallifrey, drugged up and used chameleon technology on to fool the scanners into thinking she was the Doctor. The holes people have pointed out with the twist (TARDIS looking like a police box years before it should, the regeneration cycle being renewed, etc.) could be the Master’s mistakes in setting the whole thing up which become clues for the Doctor to work everything out.

Sadly I don’t think Chibnall’s clever enough to pull a double bluff like that, and even if he was, it’s still stupid overall. If they did re-retcon it, all that would do is fix the basic story, which would be a relief, but wouldn’t fix the fact the show is a boring mess that hasn’t been genuinely good since mid-Series 6. It’s sad we’ve reached a point where the status quo is actually preferable.
 
TheImportantFart said:
I think it could be simpler than that. Just have it revealed it was an elaborate hoax by the Master to try and break the Doctor, and he didn’t admit it at the time because he was so butthurt it didn’t work after all the planning. Ruth could be a random Time Lord he kidnapped from Gallifrey, drugged up and used chameleon technology on to fool the scanners into thinking she was the Doctor. The holes people have pointed out with the twist (TARDIS looking like a police box years before it should, the regeneration cycle being renewed, etc.) could be the Master’s mistakes in setting the whole thing up which become clues for the Doctor to work everything out.

Sadly I don’t think Chibnall’s clever enough to pull a double bluff like that, and even if he was, it’s still stupid overall. If they did re-retcon it, all that would do is fix the basic story, which would be a relief, but wouldn’t fix the fact the show is a boring mess that hasn’t been genuinely good since mid-Series 6. It’s sad we’ve reached a point where the status quo is actually preferable.
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Oh let's go REALLY trolling...

The timeless child was actually Susan, and she was entrusted to the Doctor who pretended to be her "grandfather" to hide the secret. Let's double down and say the explorer that found the girl and experimented on her was the Doctor's original wife. This is what drove a wedge between them and led him on his ultimate quest for repentance.

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Reveal that, in fact, we've been in an alternate universe all along - hence why this doctor is a woman instead of a man. Peter Capaldi shows up and apologies for the Master getting up to shenanigans. Seems he's been hoping around universes and blowing up the different versions of Gallifrey he finds. As he leads the master away, have him mutter something about how he's grateful his version of the Time Lords didn't have the timeless child origin. Let's go real insane and reveal that the timeless child was in fact a time lord kid from a universe where they had infinite regenerations instead of 12.
 
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So The BCC has already addressed everyone's complaints about this retcon:

“We wholeheartedly support the creative freedom of the writers and we feel that creating an origin story is a staple of science fiction writing. What was written does not alter the flow of stories from William Hartnell’s brilliant Doctor onwards – it just adds new layers and possibilities to this ongoing saga.
“We have also received many positive reactions to the episode’s cliff-hanger. There are still a lot of questions to be answered, and we hope that you will come back to join us and see what happens, but we appreciate that it’s impossible to please all of our viewers all of the time and your feedback has been raised with the programme’s Executive Producer.”
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www.doctorwhotv.co.uk

BBC Responds to "The Timeless Children" Canon Complaints | Doctor Who TV

"What was written does not alter the flow of stories from William Hartnell's brilliant Doctor onwards."
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... and to the surprise of no one they are doubling down by pretending it doesn't break canon but just "adds layers and possibilities" to the story and that a lot of people liked it (twitter SJWs that don't care about the show obviously).

I've said this before and I will say it again. Chibnall is an idiot but he didn't do this alone. Just look at the fact that the BBC is covering his ass.
 
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