Dr. Who

[Mr. 0]

The Tenth Doctor also used up a regeneration to heal himself at the beginning of Journey's End but kept the same face as he was able to focus the remaining regeneration energy into his severed hand from The Christmas Invasion which Captain Jack had kept preserved in a jar.

That hand later grew into a human Tenth Doctor that talked like Catherine Tate so that Rose Tyler could have her cake and eat it too when she got kicked out of the show's universe again.

 

[Maamtis]

Drinker did a new vid on 13's legacy

I could listen to this guy shit on the 13th Doctor all day long.

It just amazes me how seemingly fast the rot set in. It wasn't even a decade ago I was at a theatrical screening of the 50th anniversary with my then gf and the show was at the height of international popularity.... Now it's just a sad shell, but at least it did a stronk wahmen.

Imagine if Jodie wasn't leaving and she got to do whole episodes about covid. I'm sure we'll get some blazing takes from whoever comes next (if they even do). But I can just imagine how insufferable it'd be from her.

My friends/family used to talk about Doctor Who on Facebook all the time. Now nothing.

 

[AnOminous]

Iirc, the matt smith doctor was actually the 12th (there was a war doctor in between the 8th and “9th” doctors) but in his final episode, he was given another 12 regenerations for saving the Time Lords in day of the doctor because the BBC needed to milk the franchise as much as possible

And this was a ridiculous ass-pull to keep making something that should have stopped before Chinballs completely shit all over the franchise.

 

[The Valeyard]

Doctor Who still isn't woke enough according to this writer from the Nerdist.

DOCTOR WHO Continues to Inflict Violence Against Black Characters

https://archive.md/P3tml

In recent years, shows like Doctor Who have seen an uptick in diverse actors, which is sometimes the result of colorblind casting. Some people see this as a “progressive” move; however, the show’s writing doesn’t acknowledge the implications of the actor’s race and how it informs the viewer’s interpretive lens. This creates many racially charged missteps which can be harmful.

The latest egregious example of this is “Revolution of the Daleks” character Leo Rugazzi, played by Nathan Stewart-Jarrett. Leo is a scientist who helps Jack Robertson (Chris Noth) and Jo Patterson (Harriet Walter) in their attempts to make Britain “more secure” by creating security drones in the image of the Daleks.

A Black man enthusiastically participating in the creation of a police state creates an immediate disconnect for the viewer. In both the UK (where the drones are) and the US (where Robertson plans to go next), Black folks just like Leo face persecution and violent deaths at the hands of police. Why would the creation of machines which can be further weaponized against Black people excite a Black man? Why would he want to help harm people who look like him and are presumably a part of his community?

 

[TheImportantFart]

Doctor Who still isn't woke enough according to this writer from the Nerdist.

DOCTOR WHO Continues to Inflict Violence Against Black Characters

https://archive.md/P3tml

They're right that it was a dumb plot point. They're wrong about the reasons.

EDIT:

The comments section was not kind to them:



This is a bigger reach than that nonsense about the TARDIS being triggering for black people or something.

 

[cans.wav]

The only hope for this show is that Chibnall is canned along with Whittaker, people would take John Nathan Turner over this shit at this point.

 

[TheImportantFart]

The only hope for this show is that Chibnall is canned along with Whittaker, people would take John Nathan Turner over this shit at this point.

I'd take Moffat over Chibnall at this stage. Yeah, he made stupid changes to the lore as well, and his writing was marred by many, many sins (pretentiousness, overindulgence, Mary Sue/Gary Stu companions), but for all that he was able to churn out something competent once in a while and didn't decide the entire backstory of the show needed an overhaul.

This isn't to say Moffat's good, and I'll never forgive him for dragging the First Doctor through the mud as a parting fuck you, but compared to what we have now, it doesn't seem like a bad alternative. You really don't appreciate what you have until it's gone.

Why can't we just have someone like RTD who, while not a genius, at least knew how to produce something that didn't make me want to join the charge to cancel the licence fee every week, and was able to build hype and excitement that mostly paid off rather than culminating in a wet fart? Heck, why can't we get Philip Hinchcliffe or Andrew Cartmel back? They're still around and not doing much of anything these days and Cartmel's gone on record as thinking the Timeless Child is stupid.

Of course that won't happen but a man can dream...

 

[Sexual Chocolate]

The Tenth Doctor also used up a regeneration to heal himself at the beginning of Journey's End but kept the same face as he was able to focus the remaining regeneration energy into his severed hand from The Christmas Invasion which Captain Jack had kept preserved in a jar.

That hand later grew into a human Tenth Doctor that talked like Catherine Tate so that Rose Tyler could have her cake and eat it too when she got kicked out of the show's universe again.

Maybe I owe the writers of Star Trek Discovery an apology

 

[Shield Breaker]

Just the fact there was a 13 is absolute failure. There was no reason to continue this series past 12 since that is the canonical limit. Any decent show runner would have had a good plan for how to close out the series with 12.

Also am I the only person who thinks this series would still be classic if it literally ended at the end of Tom Baker's run?

I thought 13 was the limit? Wasn't the Valeyard supposed to be the 12th, and second to last?

 

[UnKillFill]

Maybe I owe the writers of Star Trek Discovery an apology

I haven't seen the most recent season of STD, or even most of the one before that, but I've heard other people talk about them... And I heard that the premise of STD season 3 was some random incel Kelpien in a holodeck throwing a bitchfit that somehow destroyed dilithium *everywhere*, wiping out the the entire Federation offscreen between seasons. Yeah Doctor Who right now is absolute garbage... But if the Meta-Crisis Doctor, 12-ish years ago, (which tbh I wasn't even a fan of at the time) was *really* what made you nope out of Doctor Who... Then you don't owe an apology to the writers of STD, you more likely than not owe an apology to anybody in this thread (who is most likely also disillusioned with Doctor Who) who might have otherwise taken you seriously. >.>

 

[Mr. 0]

I thought 13 was the limit? Wasn't the Valeyard supposed to be the 12th, and second to last?

The Valeyard was supposed to be an "amalgamation" of the Doctor's dark sides from between his 12th and final incarnations (notice they never said a hard 13, at least for that particular scenario). He's basically an anthropomorphic what-if that went after the Sixth Doctor to take the remaining lifespan he had at that point to solidify himself.

 

[AnOminous]

Doctor Who still isn't woke enough according to this writer from the Nerdist.

DOCTOR WHO Continues to Inflict Violence Against Black Characters

https://archive.md/P3tml

We need REEEEEEEEpresentation. Okay here's some. REEEEEEEEE NOT LIKE THAT!

And if you kowtow to the first batch of bitches, some other batch of bitches will take offense.

 

[Miller]

We need REEEEEEEEpresentation. Okay here's some. REEEEEEEEE NOT LIKE THAT!

And if you kowtow to the first batch of bitches, some other batch of bitches will take offense.

Apparently there's a set of guidelines that has been shared among several writing rooms on how to write diverse characters.
I've heard that it was created by the Roddenberry Foundation but I can't find it.

 

[RomanesEuntDomus]

Doctor Who still isn't woke enough according to this writer from the Nerdist.

DOCTOR WHO Continues to Inflict Violence Against Black Characters

https://archive.md/P3tml

Sure, I bet changing the Doctor's race will do the trick and stabilize its dropping ratings and audience numbers.

I can imagine how that'll turn out:

"Yeah right, let's fix the show and add a black doctor, so everything will be alright.
I mean... okay, point taken: a black female doctor.
Uh... maybe a black female lesbian doct- Okay okay. A black female lesbian transexual doc- OKAY fine. Black muslim female transexuGODFUCKINGDAMNITWHATISITNOW?! Quadriplegic black transexual lesbian muslim Doctor? Are you finally happy with all this? Will you now shut up and watch our show?"
And the answer will be "I never cared about Doctor Who, I think the show is too silly."

Also, the sooner the Western world realizes that conflating "hurts an idiots feelings" with "harmful" is stupid, the better.
So someone doesn't like the creative decision behind a show? Good. Not everything has to appeal to everyone*. Finetuning something to appeal to a certain crowd is not a hatecrime. Making a product to appeal to the market that has consumed the product for decades and made it profitable is justified. You don't have to pander to shitheads that will never be satisfied, who always demand more and never even thank you. The sooner we get to that day, the better.

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*appeal to everyone: Isn't it funny, how everything has to pander to every group of people except one. That specific one is told to enjoy what is given to them or be labeled toxic and bigoted. Everyone else has a right to make demands and not having them met is a crime against humanity, but that one group is not allowed to have any opinion at all (even *liking* something is sometimes problematic for these people, so that one group is allowed to silently consume, but never to say anything). Yeah geez, I wonder why so many people of that one group are growing more and more tired? Especially when these are the ones that made the franchises, that are getting raped by mass-pandering, lucrative in the first place.

 

[Super-Chevy454]

Sure, I bet changing the Doctor's race will do the trick and stabilize its dropping ratings and audience numbers.

I can imagine how that'll turn out:

"Yeah right, let's fix the show and add a black doctor, so everything will be alright.
I mean... okay, point taken: a black female doctor.
Uh... maybe a black female lesbian doct- Okay okay. A black female lesbian transexual doc- OKAY fine. Black muslim female transexuGODFUCKINGDAMNITWHATISITNOW?! Quadriplegic black trasnexual lesbian muslim Doctor? Are you finally happy with all this? Will you now shut up and watch our show?"

That could be a interesting variant of Stontoss' comic about burgers where instead of burgers, they talk about Dr. Who ratings.

 

[TheImportantFart]

They've announced the next season to be released as part of the collection boxset series (before the previous one's even been released) and it's... Season 24:

I will say the trailer's one of the better ones they've done. Some of the others have felt a bit cheap.

The logic behind the release schedule primarily seems to be first and last seasons for each Doctor, although we've had some wild cards like Season 10 (might be because it was Jo/the original Master's last season), Season 14 (Sarah Jane's last season and Leela's first season) and the soon to be released Season 8 (Jo/the original Master's first season), so I guess this fits into that logic, but I'm a bit disappointed because Season 24 is one of the weakest seasons in the show's history.

I pre-order all of these pretty much as soon as they're announced because they sell out quickly, appreciate in value like you wouldn't believe (the last set's already being resold for over double its original price), the special features are usually kino and they come with copies of the original scripts which are like gold dust - even the BBC archive usually only has one copy. So I will be getting this, but I'm not overly excited about having HD versions of such "classics" as Time and the Rani and Delta and the Bannermen. I like Paradise Towers, but I'd say Dragonfire's the only truly good one on there. But I'd much rather we'd gotten the originally rumoured Season 21. Yes, it has some utter stinkers in it too (Warriors of the Deep, The Twin Dilemma), but it also has The Caves of Androzani and we'd get an upscaled version of *that* scene from Planet of Fire.

I also think it's a bit cheeky to charge full price for this, considering you get half the episodes you would for a season earlier in the show's history. Even the special features don't make up for the shortfall. Anyway, at least the release schedule seems to have picked up again after going dormant during the original lockdown.

 

[Flexo]

They've announced the next season to be released as part of the collection boxset series (before the previous one's even been released) and it's... Season 24:

I will say the trailer's one of the better ones they've done. Some of the others have felt a bit cheap.

The logic behind the release schedule primarily seems to be first and last seasons for each Doctor, although we've had some wild cards like Season 10 (might be because it was Jo/the original Master's last season), Season 14 (Sarah Jane's last season and Leela's first season) and the soon to be released Season 8 (Jo/the original Master's first season), so I guess this fits into that logic, but I'm a bit disappointed because Season 24 is one of the weakest seasons in the show's history.

I pre-order all of these pretty much as soon as they're announced because they sell out quickly, appreciate in value like you wouldn't believe (the last set's already being resold for over double its original price), the special features are usually kino and they come with copies of the original scripts which are like gold dust - even the BBC archive usually only has one copy. So I will be getting this, but I'm not overly excited about having HD versions of such "classics" as Time and the Rani and Delta and the Bannermen. I like Paradise Towers, but I'd say Dragonfire's the only truly good one on there. But I'd much rather we'd gotten the originally rumoured Season 21. Yes, it has some utter stinkers in it too (Warriors of the Deep, The Twin Dilemma), but it also has The Caves of Androzani and we'd get an upscaled version of *that* scene from Planet of Fire.

I also think it's a bit cheeky to charge full price for this, considering you get half the episodes you would for a season earlier in the show's history. Even the special features don't make up for the shortfall. Anyway, at least the release schedule seems to have picked up again after going dormant during the original lockdown.

Like you said: first and last season of each doctor. Looks like they're getting to Sylvester's first season.

 

[feral cat #6385]

They've announced the next season to be released as part of the collection boxset series (before the previous one's even been released) and it's... Season 24:

I will say the trailer's one of the better ones they've done. Some of the others have felt a bit cheap.

The logic behind the release schedule primarily seems to be first and last seasons for each Doctor, although we've had some wild cards like Season 10 (might be because it was Jo/the original Master's last season), Season 14 (Sarah Jane's last season and Leela's first season) and the soon to be released Season 8 (Jo/the original Master's first season), so I guess this fits into that logic, but I'm a bit disappointed because Season 24 is one of the weakest seasons in the show's history.

I pre-order all of these pretty much as soon as they're announced because they sell out quickly, appreciate in value like you wouldn't believe (the last set's already being resold for over double its original price), the special features are usually kino and they come with copies of the original scripts which are like gold dust - even the BBC archive usually only has one copy. So I will be getting this, but I'm not overly excited about having HD versions of such "classics" as Time and the Rani and Delta and the Bannermen. I like Paradise Towers, but I'd say Dragonfire's the only truly good one on there. But I'd much rather we'd gotten the originally rumoured Season 21. Yes, it has some utter stinkers in it too (Warriors of the Deep, The Twin Dilemma), but it also has The Caves of Androzani and we'd get an upscaled version of *that* scene from Planet of Fire.

I also think it's a bit cheeky to charge full price for this, considering you get half the episodes you would for a season earlier in the show's history. Even the special features don't make up for the shortfall. Anyway, at least the release schedule seems to have picked up again after going dormant during the original lockdown.

The Doctor Who home video release schedule has always been a bit autistic.

I'm not buying anything past Davison. It's getting harder and harder to get Doctor Who Blu Ray on this side of the pond. I had to import the last 3 animations. The next Pertwee blu (season eight) hasn't even been announced over here yet. Fat chance of Power of the Daleks SE or Web of Fear SE getting a release. Enemy of the World SE didn't.

 

[Flexo]

The Doctor Who home video release schedule has always been a bit autistic.

I'm not buying anything past Davison. It's getting harder and harder to get Doctor Who Blu Ray on this side of the pond. I had to import the last 3 animations. The next Pertwee blu (season eight) hasn't even been announced over here yet. Fat chance of Power of the Daleks SE or Web of Fear SE getting a release. Enemy of the World SE didn't.

It should not be this damn hard for imports. Heck they should be able to transmit the details to a factor to just churn out the discs locally and save time + money rather than actually shipping the damn things.

 

[feral cat #6385]

It should not be this damn hard for imports. Heck they should be able to transmit the details to a factor to just churn out the discs locally and save time + money rather than actually shipping the damn things.

Just shows how interest in the show has fallen off a cliff. used to be pretty easy to get new who stuff. Now not so much.