Off-Topic Drag Queen and Assorted LGBTQ Grooming Omnibus thread - The long-overdue hall of shame

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There was a dust up in NYC around a drag quern story hour.


A gay city council member was there and posted a video. Later apparently this happened in front of his house.

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This reeks of being fake. If you're going to graffiti someone's house calling them a pedo, you choose to do it in chalk? "Yeah I wanted to call him a faggot, but I didn't want to inconvenience him with too much clean up"
 
There was a dust up in NYC around a drag quern story hour.


A gay city council member was there and posted a video. Later apparently this happened in front of his house.

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This reeks of being fake. If you're going to graffiti someone's house calling them a pedo, you choose to do it in chalk? "Yeah I wanted to call him a faggot, but I didn't want to inconvenience him with too much clean up"
Seriously, I try to imagine what I'd do if I had the mind to pull off a similar stunt. First of all I'd use spray paint. Secondly I'd be so nervous about the possibility of a video camera or anything really (I don't do crimes) I'd probably just get as far as spelling out "GROMER" before running away.
 

EXCLUSIVE: Two Survivors Allege They Were “Groomed,” Sexually Exploited By Staff at Scottish LGBT Youth Charity

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Two men who had previously accessed services at LGBT Youth Scotland as minors have come forward to speak to Reduxx about what they describe as a nightmarish involvement with the charity – one they allege involved child grooming and sexual exploitation. Sam Cowie and Daniel Nechtan, two abuse survivors, are demanding an inquiry into the organization and asking why no investigation was launched after the CEO was imprisoned for raping a baby.

LGBT Youth Scotland, formerly the Stonewall Youth Project, is known as Scotland’s national charity for “LGBTI young people.” The organization works with youth aged 13 to 25, and delivers programs to schools, organizations and businesses. The charity was founded in 1989 and renamed in 2003, the same year a notorious pedophile, James Rennie, became the Chief Executive Officer.

In 2009, Rennie was found guilty and given “lifelong restriction” orders after it was discovered he was operating what was described as Scotland’s “largest pedophile network.”

Rennie and a man named Neil Strachan were considered the ringleaders of the network, which involved at least eight other men who collectively held over 125,000 pieces of child sexual abuse materials. The ring was broken up in 2007 after a lengthy operation by Lothian and Borders police.

Other men arrested include John Murphy, a former journalist with The Gay Times; Neil Campbell, an after-school program instructor who was married with children but led a double life with a male lover; and Craig Boath, who had just applied to become a special constable with police. Neil Strachan’s much younger boyfriend, Colin Slaven, was also amongst those arrested. Slaven had been a minor when Strachan began a “relationship” with him.

As well as distributing child sexual abuse material, Rennie also sexually abused his godson over a four-year period starting when the child was just 3 months old. During court proceedings it was also uncovered that Rennie had used the e-mail handle “kplover,” standing for “kiddie porn lover,” to communicate with a sick predator in the Netherlands who described how he would like to rape, torture, and murder a child. The trial was labeled the “worst ever” abuse case in Scotland by media.

While soliciting child sexual abuse materials from other perverts, Rennie once sent an email specifically requesting media featuring “young Down’s syndrome or learning difficulty kids.”

Rennie’s accomplice, Neil Strachan, had also sexually abused an infant boy, attempting to sodomize him while being HIV positive.

While secretly operating the pedophile network, Rennie managed to become the CEO of LGBT Youth Scotland, a charity which gave him access to children as young as 13. Rennie had been a strong proponent for gay adoption, and, under his leadership, LGBT Youth Scotland lobbied the Government to allow same-sex couples to adopt children. In 2005, LGBT Youth Scotland received a Phillip Lawrence Award for community safety, and Rennie was welcomed in parliament.

Shockingly, Rennie’s sentence was reduced on appeal. He was originally ordered to serve a minimum of 13 years in jail, but this was reduced to a minimum of just eight-and-a-half years before he can apply for parole.

Questions are now being raised on social media about why the Scotland’s charity regulator never publicly investigated the organization to see if Rennie abused his power to access vulnerable children, and how Rennie’s influence may have impacted the culture of the charity.

While LGBT Youth Scotland claimed at the time that there was “no evidence” that the young people assisted by their agency were assaulted by Rennie, two survivors have now come forward to allege they were groomed and sexually abused after joining the charity as youth members.

Speaking exclusively with Reduxx, Sam Cowie, a university student from Glasgow, described his experience with LGBT Youth Scotland and why he has decided to come forward and demand answers.

Cowie told Reduxx that he first became involved with the charity in 2010, just one year after Rennie’s conviction. He described how at the time, he was just 15 years old and in foster care. He says he was referred to the charity by a social worker who felt it would be beneficial for him to meet other gay young people.

“At first I thought it was great. There was a diverse group of young people involved. Colorful people and people who were unapologetically themselves. It was eye-opening and a lot to take in. The staff were friendly and nurturing,” Cowie says.

But now an adult, Cowie looks back at his time within the charity with a very different perspective.

The student says he was “groomed” by older men at the charity, who would provide him with special privileges, cigarettes, and alcohol.

“I really didn’t realize I was being groomed until a much later date. It started with being given cigarettes. It later progressed to being taken for drinks and given alcohol. I was given a [fake] ID by a member of staff to gain entry into adult venues. I was given things that were considered special,” Cowie explains. “A staff member also made me show him my torso in the bathroom.”

Cowie recounts being taken by charity staff to gay clubs in Edinburgh while he was underage. He was exposed to a much older group of men who began offering the vulnerable teen money in exchange for sex.

“I was plied with alcohol free of charge, encouraged to sleep with older men and given money to perform sexual acts,” Cowie tells Reduxx.

Cowie was involved with the charity for two years, cutting ties at age 17. As a result of his experience with the charity, he continued attending adult gay bars where he was given free alcohol by older men, and sexually abused by them.

Having reflected on his time within the organization, Cowie has decided to come forward after months of waiting for the Scottish Government to respond to a freedom of information request into why Scotland’s charity regulator did not investigate LGBT Youth Scotland following Rennie’s conviction. Cowie says he’s also contacted Scottish Members of Parliament, in particular Shona Robison, to no avail.

After nearly 7 months of waiting, Cowie has now taken his story public, first tweeting some details of his ordeal on Twitter earlier this week.

LGBT Youth Scotland has a history of abusing children and young people. It had a CEO who ran the biggest paedophile ring in Scotland. To have this organisation have so much influence in Scottish schools and Parliament is a huge mistake and I’ll tell you why. https://sneed.w.org/images/core/emoji/14.0.0/svg/1f9f5.svg
— Sam Cowie (@wundt_vil) December 20, 2022


As a result of Cowie becoming vocal about his time at LGBT Youth Scotland, other alleged survivors claiming similar experiences with the charity have come forward.

Speaking with Reduxx, Daniel Nechtan says he first became involved with the organization when it was still known as the Stonewall Youth Project.

“I was informally in contact with this group when I was 13 or 14. They were based in Edinburgh and it was the closest form of support I could find as a gay teenager,” Nechtan told Reduxx.

“Although I was young, many people involved in this charity were in their twenties and thirties, and, as far as I can tell, there was no safeguarding or anything. In fact, it seemed more like a social network to connect older men with [often vulnerable] teenagers.”

Nechtan says that charity staff had encouraged him to use “gay chatrooms” where he met a 24 year-old man pretending to be a 16 year-old boy. He describes how the older man became his “boyfriend,” and would drive from Tranent to Kirkcaldy to visit with him.

“Apparently, he had a thing for boys with blond curtains, and encouraged me to grow my hair and comb it that way, get it dyed. After a year or two we started to grow apart, I began realizing what he was,” Nechtan says, revealing that the man had been showing him child sexual abuse materials featuring prepubescent boys when he visited.

“Through him and others I met via [the Stonewall Youth Project], I met other young people as well as some older guys who seemed to provide transport and lead the groups.”

Nechtan alleges that he and other underaged boys who were vulnerable and struggling financially were encouraged by the older men they met through the charity to accept payment in exchange for sexual acts.

“Myself and the younger guys were all quite strapped for cash and were encouraged by the old ones to do ‘rent’ around the St. James bus station toilets,” Nechtan recounts. “Two of the older guys were James Rennie and Neil Strachan.”

Despite LGBT Youth Scotland claiming no youth members had been assaulted by Rennie, Nechtan tells Reduxx a very different story, and says that Rennie, who was still the CEO of the charity at the time, and Strachan had offered Nechtan alcohol in exchange for sexual activity.

“They would hang around with us in the summer, would buy us drink and drugs, engage us in highly sexualized conversation and had sexual contact with some of us,” Nechtan says. “They always dressed younger than they were. Sports clothes, Rockports, baseball cap to hide Strachan’s bald head… Rennie took me back to a flat once… he said it wasn’t his flat so we had to stay in the living room to do what we were doing – he gave me a bottle of Buckfast as a gift in return.”

Nechtan then described how on another occasion when he was 17, Strachan asked him to have sex with his underage “boyfriend,” Colin Slaven. Slaven was 16 at the time, and would later go on to be convicted as a member of the child sexual abuse ring run by Rennie.

Several years later, both Strachan and Rennie were arrested and convicted of operating a pedophile ring.

“There was a story in the papers about a pedophile ring that was raided, and I recognized the mug shots straight away,” Nechtan says. Like Cowie, Nechtan was shocked that LGBT Youth Scotland was never investigated following Rennie’s arrest.

“LGBT Youth Scotland was never properly investigated despite Rennie and others associated with the charity having access to children and vulnerable young people. I also learned that [Cowie], too, and other young people in Edinburgh and Glasgow were groomed, plied with drink and drugs, sexualized, raped…”

Nechtan says he never reported Rennie’s abuses, believing at the time that he should have been “mature enough” and “known better.” But after therapy, he finally disclosed his abuse to his partner of 18 years.

“LGBT Youth Scotland, formerly Stonewall Youth Project, under the guise of providing much-needed support for young LGB people in an inhospitable environment, facilitated the abuse of God-knows how many children and young people over years,” Nechtan alleges.

Reduxx reached out to the Scottish Charity Register (OSCR) for comment on any action they had taken to ensure LGBT Youth Scotland was compliant with child safeguarding measures, but was told any files that may have existed would have been destroyed.

Responding to Reduxx‘s inquiry, OSCR Communications staffer John Fellows stated: “Our policy is to destroy all inquiry files 10 years after they have closed, so we are unable to establish the existence or the details of any regulatory inquiry which was concluded prior to December 2012.”

Reduxx also reached out to LGBT Youth Scotland, but received an automatic reply stating their offices were closed for the holidays.

In 2021, LGBT Youth Scotland received backlash from an Alba party member who accused them of seeking to “lower the age of consent to ten.” This was due to LGBT Youth Scotland signing a ‘declaration’ drafted by the Women’s Rights Caucus at the UN’s Commission on the Status of Women in March 2020 which called for an end to the “criminalization and stigmatization of adolescents’ sexuality.”

The Alba candidate, Margaret Lynch, had argued that adolescents are usually considered to be youth between the ages of 10 and 19.

LGBT Youth Scotland addressed this on their website, stating: “To highlight only the LGBT+ organizations from a long list of connected groups, making assumptions that their aim is to lower the age of consent, is an act of prejudice and discrimination that repeats harmful myths from the past about LGBT+ people being sexual predators.”

Lynch’s accusations were described as “deeply homophobic and untrue” by the Scottish National Party (SNP). The SNP spokesperson described LGBT Youth Scotland as a reputable organization that has made a positive impact on the lives of many in Scotland.

Earlier this year, LGBT Youth Scotland was reported to the charity register by Safeguarding Our Schools Scotland for referring children on a chatroom to information about breast binders by the UK charity Mermaids. Mermaids are currently under investigation by the charity commission and Safeguarding Our Schools questioned why LGBT Youth Scotland was signposting resources by Mermaids on its website before the investigation into the charity’s safeguarding approach had concluded.

The Charity Commission for England and Wales has announced a formal inquiry into controversial trans activist organization Mermaids. The announcement came just two months after complaints were filed in response to revelations that one of their trustees held views sympathetic to pedophiles, and that the organization had sent breast binders to female children without parental consent.

LGBT Youth Scotland has continued to promote resources by Mermaids on its website and chat room function since the case opened. Members of the Scottish charity also endorsed a tweet supporting Mermaids on October 6, 2022.
 
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Stonewall Scotland LGBT Youth Scotland have apparently reported themselves and broken privacy laws at the same time.

Every nonce in these organisations need a flaming torch stuck up their arses.

I don't understand why they need these organisations in the first place, unless it is to supply a constant stream of fresh victims to adults.

If I tried to start a Hetero Youth Scotland charity, I'd expect the woodchipper/wall before it got off the ground.

Brave lad Sam comes out swinging:
 
I don't understand why they need these organisations in the first place, unless it is to supply a constant stream of fresh victims to adults.
They are, in theory, needed because gay and lesbian kids still get kicked out of their homes or beaten or endangered by their homophobic parents at worst, and at best may still need or want somewhere to go to talk about things their hetero relatives may not be comfortable talking about or that they may not be knowledgeable about. Youth organizations for gay kids can be really helpful for kids who are in difficult situations and can connect them with more help if needed, for example they might help a kid figure out their housing situation after their homophobic dad kicks them out onto the streets because they kissed another boy, or something like that.

That said, for obvious reasons illustrated quite clearly in the above articles, they need strict safeguarding rules and scrutiny from both within and without to prevent this kind of thing. You're not telling me there were adequate safeguards in place at "LGBT Youth Scotland". (Then again, with it being potentially run by or at least affiliated with Stonewall UK, I wouldn't trust them to look after a reasonably independent dog, let alone a human child.)

Basically the need is still there because homophobic jackasses still exist, but there needs to be a LOT more scrutiny on the adults in charge of these places.

Your proposed punishment is spot on, though. Just make sure they fucking suffer before they die, as all pedos deserve.
 
They are, in theory, needed because gay and lesbian kids still get kicked out of their homes or beaten or endangered by their homophobic parents at worst, and at best may still need or want somewhere to go to talk about things their hetero relatives may not be comfortable talking about or that they may not be knowledgeable about. Youth organizations for gay kids can be really helpful for kids who are in difficult situations and can connect them with more help if needed, for example they might help a kid figure out their housing situation after their homophobic dad kicks them out onto the streets because they kissed another boy, or something like that.

That said, for obvious reasons illustrated quite clearly in the above articles, they need strict safeguarding rules and scrutiny from both within and without to prevent this kind of thing. You're not telling me there were adequate safeguards in place at "LGBT Youth Scotland". (Then again, with it being potentially run by or at least affiliated with Stonewall UK, I wouldn't trust them to look after a reasonably independent dog, let alone a human child.)

Basically the need is still there because homophobic jackasses still exist, but there needs to be a LOT more scrutiny on the adults in charge of these places.

Your proposed punishment is spot on, though. Just make sure they fucking suffer before they die, as all pedos deserve.
Sounds reasonable as vulnerable kids need protected, although as seen in this thread, abusers are drawn to kids' organisations- Scouts, sports coaches, charities, etc. It paints anyone who genuinely wants to help with the same tainted brush.

I had not considered troglodyte parents kicking gay kids out the house in this day and age.

Background check=hasn't been caught yet.

Thought about deleting my flaming torch comment, but hey, we all get a bit MATI sometimes.
 
Sounds reasonable as vulnerable kids need protected, although as seen in this thread, abusers are drawn to kids' organisations- Scouts, sports coaches, charities, etc. It paints anyone who genuinely wants to help with the same tainted brush.

I had not considered troglodyte parents kicking gay kids out the house in this day and age.

Background check=hasn't been caught yet.

Thought about deleting my flaming torch comment, but hey, we all get a bit MATI sometimes.
Unfortunately homophobic parents are still a serious problem even now. Conversion therapy is still a risk, too, etc. It's hard to be a gay or lesbian kid and not know how your parents will react, or know that they won't react well, etc.

You're spot on that predators are drawn to any organization that will give them unrestricted or less-restricted access to children. It's just an unfortunate truth. It means we need to be more and more vigilant about the people we allow to be around children and have more oversight, but we still need those organizations and positions to exist so it just takes more safeguarding. You're also right that background checks aren't enough, it has to be more than that.

Unfortunately, there are a lot of bad actors out there who are deliberately sabotaging any attempt at bringing in more stringent safeguarding for kids - namely trans organizations like Stonewall UK and Mermaids. They don't want any oversight into their interactions with kids, and in the process they oppose oversight into other organizations as well. Despicable.

Honestly your comment was fine, I think we all get pissed off sometimes at the pedos and other sickos we see on this site. I might not be the best person to ask since I'm always mad at ugly shit here lol but I think it's fine to express as long as you're also adding commentary and not just raging incoherently. I think it's always a good thing to express how pedos deserve death tbh.
 
They are, in theory, needed because gay and lesbian kids still get kicked out of their homes or beaten or endangered by their homophobic parents at worst, and at best may still need or want somewhere to go to talk about things their hetero relatives may not be comfortable talking about or that they may not be knowledgeable about.
Unfortunately homophobic parents are still a serious problem even now. Conversion therapy is still a risk, too, etc. It's hard to be a gay or lesbian kid and not know how your parents will react, or know that they won't react well, etc.
That is literally existing to solve a problem you created. Its LGBT activists that created and spread the idea "You were born gay, you are gay and you will always be gay no matter what you do about it."

If homosexuality continued to get treated like the mental illness that it is (and in fact was officially categorized as until it was taken off the DSM purely for political reasons with no additional research or justification) these teens would be treated better by their by their parents because there wouldn't be half a century of propaganda basically claiming these teens are lost forever with no chance of recovery and are an unfixable waste of time.

These organizations basically lied to justify their existence and they only exist to solve a problem they both created and perpetuate.

They will never not be grooming centers because that's the entire ideological purpose underpinning their whole existence.
 
Unfortunately homophobic parents are still a serious problem even now. Conversion therapy is still a risk, too, etc. It's hard to be a gay or lesbian kid and not know how your parents will react, or know that they won't react well, etc.

You're spot on that predators are drawn to any organization that will give them unrestricted or less-restricted access to children. It's just an unfortunate truth. It means we need to be more and more vigilant about the people we allow to be around children and have more oversight, but we still need those organizations and positions to exist so it just takes more safeguarding.

I'll say that very hostile and violent families (dads physically usually, and manipulative moms) in which teenagers who have homosexual feelings (which sometimes really are a 'phase', other times not) are physically and emotionally abused still exist and will never completely stop existing because this world is not perfect.

But these 'lesbian & gay youth centers' conversely have always been grooming centers from the beginning (making sure the gay-leaning phase doesn't stay a phase), especially the gay male ones because in those cases the 'educators' know how to fill the fatherly role a lot of these boys are missing (because their dad is violent, or incapable to communicate, or is a passive figure, or he's not there at all for various reasons) in a way that definitely is not fatherly. And the more you groom a teen with psychosexual issues in a way that seems to solve, but actually further worsens these issues (like making legitimate daddy issues sexual issues a 'daddy-type' man can temporarily solve by buttfucking you), the more these homosexual impulses, like all impulses, are strengthened by repetition up to the point that soon you basically become the basic gay coomer we can see in gay bars trapped for life in fetishes and diva worship. Many gay men have tried to still be gay and rise above that (for example by attempting monogamy and raising adopted children), but they always fail because these things require a woman regulating male impulses which, in gay men, always remain adolescent (hence why they are sometimes seen as 'Peter Pans'). They remain slaves to the coom for life, and a type of coom that requires preferably getting sodomized and humiliated in some way for as long as it is physically possible.
Not what any sane parent wants for their child.
I also speak from personal experience as two of my beloved relatives are gay/bi, so I know from seeing it that the best-adjusted gay men are actually those who are as disconnected as possible from the gay community and its political tentacles.

If homosexuality continued to get treated like the mental illness that it is (and in fact was officially categorized as until it was taken off the DSM purely for political reasons with no additional research or justification) these teens would be treated better by their by their parents because there wouldn't be half a century of propaganda basically claiming these teens are lost forever with no chance of recovery and are an unfixable waste of time.

These organizations basically lied to justify their existence and they only exist to solve a problem they both created and perpetuate.

They will never not be grooming centers because that's the entire ideological purpose underpinning their whole existence.

I will just add that the normalization of homosexuality was one step towards the normalization of trans. If homosexuals are perfectly fine in their desires, then our reproductive organs can be totally disconnected to both reproduction and our body's sense of design and purpose. I mean, post 1973 it's not like a man has a penis that was made to go inside a vagina with the purpose of reproduction, technically speaking. A man may very well choose to use his penis inside another man's rectum as if that rectum were a vagina and that is totally fine too...right ?? That's how then, half a century later, you get the normalization of stinkditches, rotdogs and gay men and rich women playing rent-a-wombs.
 
They remain slaves to the coom for life, and a type of coom that requires preferably getting sodomized and humiliated in some way for as long as it is physically possible.
Not what any sane parent wants for their child.
I also speak from personal experience as two of my beloved relatives are gay/bi, so I know from seeing it that the best-adjusted gay men are actually those who are as disconnected as possible from the gay community and its political tentacles.

And what's more, studies show that fags are less likely to kill themselves if they wait longer to come out of the closet. Preferably after adolescence, in adulthood.

Even kids who have violent psychotic assholes for parents could make things easier for themselves simply by staying in the closet until they move out. It's not just that they're suppressing their sexuality for the sake of not getting their asses beat or being prematurely kicked out of their parents' house, even kids whose parents are supportive are still better off not dealing with fag/troon shit until they're old enough to know better.

There is no reason for fag youth support organizations to exist, they created the problem in the first place, they will only make the problem worse.

It's interesting, even if we make the assumption that sexual orientation is set in stone and cannot change, even if we make the assumption that these people are fucked from birth, they're still happier if they abstain from faggotry and gender bending.

Wichstrøm, Lars; Hegna, Kristinn, Sexual orientation and suicide attempt: A longitudinal study of the general Norwegian adolescent population. Journal of Abnormal Psychology, Vol 112(1), Feb 2003, 144-151. http://psycnet.apa.org/?&fa=main.doiLanding&doi=10.1037/0021-843X.112.1.144

Gary Remafedi, Risk Factors for Attempted Suicide in Gay and Bisexual Youth, PEDIATRICS Vol. 87 No. 6 June 1, 1991 pp. 869 -875 “Compared with nonattempters, attempters had more feminine gender roles and adopted a bisexual or homosexual identity at younger ages.”
 
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Short Twitter thread from Malcolm Clark, all round good guy/Gays against Groomers/GC type, outlining some of the horrors from LGBT Youth Scotland.


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It’s happened time and again with child protective/support services over the years. Yet AGAIN the abuse has gone on right under the noses of the powers that be, and hand waved away because well, those people are just doing good by poor abused youth (and it costs too much money to look any further. We’re spending enough on the service in the first place, only did it to look good).

I’m old and grumpy enough to remember the abuse in children’s homes in north London in the 1980s and all the exact same faux shock over how vulnerable kids could be abused by people supposed to help them. Boys were especially vulnerable to it. Supposedly things changed, but of course we’re back to treating sexual minorities as demigods so they can again do what they want with almost total impunity.

There’s always been a subculture of grooming in the gay community, much as most guys don’t want to admit it. Pedos are well practiced at getting around laws and child protection, they’re excellent at getting into positions of power. Unless the gay community keeps strictly calling these freaks out, it carries on. Every time a new abuse case comes out, everyone says “never again” and how they’ve learned lessons - and every damn time it happens again. Because people are willing to overlook suspicions, and pedos are fucking sly and only to happy to use the trans/sexual freedom/respect mah kink bullshit as cover. Trannies and sexual minorities being untouchable just gives the whole pedo mob free rein to do whatever they please, and you can bet they’re revelling in it. This weird determination we seem to currently have with never telling anyone “no” always ends this way.

Expect more stories like this in the next decade or more.
 
And what's more, studies show that fags are less likely to kill themselves if they wait longer to come out of the closet. Preferably after adolescence, in adulthood.

Even kids who have violent psychotic assholes for parents could make things easier for themselves simply by staying in the closet until they move out. It's not just that they're suppressing their sexuality for the sake of not getting their asses beat or being prematurely kicked out of their parents' house, even kids whose parents are supportive are still better off not dealing with fag/troon shit until they're old enough to know better.

There is no reason for fag youth support organizations to exist, they created the problem in the first place, they will only make the problem worse.

It's interesting, even if we make the assumption that sexual orientation is set in stone and cannot change, even if we make the assumption that these people are fucked from birth, they're still happier if they abstain from faggotry and gender bending.

Most gay men, if they’re honest, will tell you that pederasty is part of the scene.

They might have been 13, they might have been 15 or 17, but sooo many of them have a story about an older man (sometimes early 20ies, sometimes in their 30ies or 40ies) who “introduced them” to the scene and sexuality for the low, low price of a cherry popped.

I’m not claiming that they were groomed into gaydom or anything, though who the f knows. But most gay men have some kind of story about the older gay man who “took care of them.”
 
There’s always been a subculture of grooming in the gay community, much as most guys don’t want to admit it.
It’s not so much that they “don’t want to admit it”. They can be very honest about it amongst each other.

But they know perfectly well how it’ll make them look, so it’s one of those “our thing” kinda secrets that they try not to talk too much about with straights.
 
It’s not so much that they “don’t want to admit it”. They can be very honest about it amongst each other.

But they know perfectly well how it’ll make them look, so it’s one of those “our thing” kinda secrets that they try not to talk too much about with straights.
Yup, gay men had their groomers since the beginning, but since unlike most troons they aren't autistic en masse, they have always had a much better PR department especially with women. And especially with their moms. Their strategic PR campaign was extremely successful, so much that they turned AIDS into a 'victory' (we poor oppressed gheys who keep dying! We are totes victims and it's not like we are preventably buttfucking each other to death), and managed to mostly destroy the old stereotype of 'gays as pederasts' in the West at least, to the point that many spiritually enlightened moms WANT to bring their kids to 'Drag Queen story hours'.
Now the old stereotype wasn't always true, and it is unjust to call all gay men pedos, but it did point to a true phenomenon. A phenomenon which most gay men, even the ones who aren't interested in boys, find acceptable, normal or even beautiful. It's only the autistic ones (like the furries) who say it out loud with the 'breeders' though.
 
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