Dragon Ball Thread - RIP Akira Toriyama

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capitalBBustard said:
It's treatment, not a vaccine. It's like saying you should've taken aspirin two weeks ago if you have a headache right now. Goku needed to get sick before he could start taking it. Thing is, Goku got sick a lot later than he was originally supposed to, which Future Trunks says as much when he comes back and sees that Goku has just now gotten sick. Time travel shenanigans.
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The implication though is that Goku already wasn't feeling good the morning 19 and 20 showed up. Even if he was in denial initially, the fact that just a little bit of flying had him out of breath and sweating was his big indicator he not only that he needed the medicine now, he should've taken it that morning when he first started to feel like shit. I'll chalk it up to bot idiocy and Saiyan pride (and, you know, story reasons).
 
SteelPlatedHeart said:
I’ve seen both, and I’d still keep the thing that would literally keep me from dying close at hand considering I know it’s going to kill me.
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My third paragraph describes "I've seen it" arguments. Guy didn't get sick when he was supposed to, what does he know if he'll get sick at all. The thing is in the medicine cabinet, if he had it he'd break it or lose it, if he gets sick he knows where to find it and he has family and friends to look out and care for him. Cosmic coincidence (and dramatic storytelling) dictated he get sick at the most inopportune moment. Oh the humanity.

The origins of the bitching about this instance with the medicine always was, that the people watching the show thought it was a cure and Goku didn't take it for some reason. That has never been true. That meme(along with many others) took a life of its own once the internet became widespread.
Salt_Merchant said:
How come they didnt immediately go find the dragon balls and wish goku to like, never get the disease in the first place?
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How come they didn't do [blank] with the dragonballs is a pretty universal complaint. There's some limitations for the obvious wishes, the dragon is only as strong as its master so he can't fuck with people stronger than him. But they never tried to full force lawyer the wishes. Really, the answer is just, it wouldn't make for much of a story.

Wanna talk about should've-would'ves, what if Goku's illness takes him down while he's fishing, underwater for those sweet giant carp. Strongest guy in the universe, drowns. And then it's like, does that mean he died due to the virus or drowning? If he drowned, could he be brought back? If yes, would he still have the virus? Maybe he shouldn't go fishing anymore.
MysticMisty said:
The implication though is that Goku already wasn't feeling good the morning 19 and 20 showed up. Even if he was in denial initially, the fact that just a little bit of flying had him out of breath and sweating was his big indicator he not only that he needed the medicine now, he should've taken it that morning when he first started to feel like shit. I'll chalk it up to bot idiocy and Saiyan pride (and, you know, story reasons).
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See, now the whole "Retardoku dudn't take his cure (the argument was always he didn't take a cure, arguer not realising it's medicine)" turned from a supposed enormous plot contrivance into arguing about carelessness on the day off to still say Goku getting sick was contrived. On this level, pretty much every decision/action every character makes/takes at any point in the series can be questioned and called contrived.
 
quickthrowaway said:
I give Goku a pass on a lot of things since you have to take into a account that he has brain damage. He's basically a high functioning autist. What's everyone else's excuse? Bulma is like the only character to speak up to take advantage of the head start Trunks gives them to jump on Gero.
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I know it was done for story reasons since a battle manga gotta have battles, but I am actually still a little assmad that they all turned down Bulma's brilliant idea of using the balls to hunt down Gero before he became a problem because muh fights. They all almost died(actually died in Trunks case) and risked the lives of everyone on Earth just because they wanted to flex on some bots
 
Honka Honka Burning Love said:
Why..wouldn't a Senzu Bean work on it? I never watched the dragonball z subs..do they explain that shit?
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Well, in the original DB, senzu beans basically "healed" in the sense that it was about a good stint of bed rest (10-15 days) instantly. I don't think they heal anything like a hole in the chest until DBZ.

That said, it probably is as simple as the beans don't really cure diseases or viruses.
 
capitalBBustard said:
Guy didn't get sick when he was supposed to, what does he know if he'll get sick at all. The thing is in the medicine cabinet, if he had it he'd break it or lose it, if he gets sick he knows where to find it and he has family and friends to look out and care for him. Cosmic coincidence (and dramatic storytelling) dictated he get sick at the most inopportune moment. Oh the humanity.

The origins of the bitching about this instance with the medicine always was, that the people watching the show thought it was a cure and Goku didn't take it for some reason. That has never been true. That meme(along with many others) took a life of its own once the internet became widespread.
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I think beyond misunderstanding or simple inattentiveness to the actual story, it's that many people take Trunks' word as gospel. Despite the fact he is routinely wrong. He arrived in the past at the wrong time and accidentally kills Frieza instead of letting Goku do it like it's supposed to happen. He was wrong about what pair of androids come and attack. In another timeline, he gets killed by Cell which is how he arrives in the first place. If Dragon Ball went by Back to the Future or Terminator rules, everyone would be fucked by how much Trucks messes with timeline for no reason.
 
Salt_Merchant said:
How come they didnt immediately go find the dragon balls and wish goku to like, never get the disease in the first place?
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The concept of viruses might be too alien for Shenron (do Namekians ever get viruses?). It's also possible that even if the virus was poofed out of existence with a wish, something much nastier could've come along because karma. It's also possible the virus might not actually be a natural virus, because how come only Goku caught it, but no one else did? How'd he come into contact with it in the first place to catch it? It doesn't just affect Saiyans, otherwise Vegeta and/or Gohan would've gotten it, too. So what gives?

I bet Toriyama had to think of that on the fly because his editors told him to, and he never bothered to follow through with it and figured people would just forget and not poke holes in it.
 
Kari Kamiya said:
The concept of viruses might be too alien for Shenron (do Namekians ever get viruses?). It's also possible that even if the virus was poofed out of existence with a wish, something much nastier could've come along because karma. It's also possible the virus might not actually be a natural virus, because how come only Goku caught it, but no one else did? How'd he come into contact with it in the first place to catch it? It doesn't just affect Saiyans, otherwise Vegeta and/or Gohan would've gotten it, too. So what gives?

I bet Toriyama had to think of that on the fly because his editors told him to, and he never bothered to follow through with it and figured people would just forget and not poke holes in it.
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I kinda recall it being mentioned that he got the virus during adventures on some other planet.
 
Nauseated Courgi said:
I kinda recall it being mentioned that he got the virus during adventures on some other planet.
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Ah, alright. Yeah, Shenron might not've been able to do anything about it, then, if it's too alien in that not even the other characters really know what it was or where it was he caught it from.
 
Kari Kamiya said:
It's also possible the virus might not actually be a natural virus, because how come only Goku caught it, but no one else did? How'd he come into contact with it in the first place to catch it? It doesn't just affect Saiyans, otherwise Vegeta and/or Gohan would've gotten it, too. So what gives?
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I thought other people did get infected with the virus and die, because Trunks explained that they'd start hearing about it "soon", and that the medicine that kills the virus was discovered only a short time after Goku's death (but before the androids appear and fuck everything over).

quickthrowaway said:
He was wrong about what pair of androids come and attack.
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Only because Toriyama's editor hated the designs of 19 and 20, and wanted something better, which is how 16, 17, and 18 came about. His editor said it was better, but still boring, so Toriyama threw his hands in the air and created Cell.
 
MysticMisty said:
Only because Toriyama's editor hated the designs of 19 and 20, and wanted something better, which is how 16, 17, and 18 came about. His editor said it was better, but still boring, so Toriyama threw his hands in the air and created Cell.
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And then his editor got bored of the horror-esque Cell and wanted him to transform, and then his editor said Semi-Perfect Cell was too ugly and told Toriyama to have him transform again.

The entire Android/Cell saga was an experiment in executive meddling.
 
_01 said:
And then his editor got bored of the horror-esque Cell and wanted him to transform, and then his editor said Semi-Perfect Cell was too ugly and told Toriyama to have him transform again.

The entire Android/Cell saga was an experiment in executive meddling.
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You can blame the Cell and Buu sagas' fractured storylines almost entirely on Toriyama's editor, because then that shit happened again with his editor disliking Majin Buu's initial design.
 
_01 said:
And then his editor got bored of the horror-esque Cell and wanted him to transform, and then his editor said Semi-Perfect Cell was too ugly and told Toriyama to have him transform again.

The entire Android/Cell saga was an experiment in executive meddling.
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And Then Toriyama went Super Sayian and punched the Editor in the balls.
 
Duncan Hills Coffee said:
You can blame the Cell and Buu sagas' fractured storylines almost entirely on Toriyama's editor, because then that shit happened again with his editor disliking Majin Buu's initial design.
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I don't understand why his editors were still able to meddle. By the time Cell rolled around, wasn't Toriyama kind of a big deal? What were they going to do if he said no to their changes, fire him?
 
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