hard to say the Buu saga has brought many interesting concepts like fusion dance and the earrings fusion into the series (especially with the earrings because I always saw it as an emergency plan if everything else failed) what really upsets me is that they nerfed Gohan to make room for the Wunderkinder (Trunks and Goten)
ah and does anyone know if Toriyama intentionally never explained the concept of mixed Saiyans?
I always assumed that concentrated Saiyan blood, i.e. a hundredth of Saiyan blood, is stronger than half or am I wrong?
There's no evidence of Toriyama's intention of ending the manga after Freeza. That's a false rumor created by the community. And such a hasty change would've had to occur within a two week time span since Freeza is defeated in Chapter 327 (June 4th 1991) and Mecha Freeza is introduced in Chapter 329 (June 18th 1991).
This isn't exclusive to you but this is an astonishingly stupid take people who call themselves fans have about Toriyama. He's not a Tolkienesque individual when it comes to writing, but he clearly took his job and story as seriously as a person with his personality and interests could. It was his full time job for years working together with people like Torishima (his original editor that helped him create Dragonball), who had 0 reservations telling him his shit stank when he was producing garbage and expected him to do a good job.
Toriyama clearly held himself to a certain standard, Torishima wasn't even his editor anymore when he told him the original villains in the android saga (19&20) were kinda lame and that was enough for him to change direction completely. People are all too willing to write off the man's efforts because of his jokey style and because he's not the most amazing writer ever.
SSJ2 didn't exist until he came up with SSJ3 lilbro. You're not thinking from his perspective and experience. The whole numbered naming is sth he introduced very late to contextualize SSJ3. He probably never spared a thought for SSJ2, as it became known during Buu, for the entire 10+ years after the manga ended. His lasting memory of the transformation would've been the period when it was not deliniated as SSJ2, when it was just a more advanced form of SSJ.
This is another one of those "he forgot about Launch" things where people are being willfully retarded and projecting it on Toriyama when reading his interviews.
It is extremely blatant that it's Goku. Buu as a villain is literally just an evil version of Kid Goku. A childlike retarded fighting prodigy that learns moves in seconds and takes to fighting like a fiend who steamrolls everyone. That also loves food. Endgame was always Goku VS Buu, by design.
Probably extremely late on this, extremely cliché, but... in that "Tournament of Power" with Jiren, the rule about not flying with Ki is absolute nonsense (there's more stuff obviously, but this.... is something else).
I might be misremembering, but someone may have used a blast in order to propel themself in some direction, now, the entire concept of flying in this anime is that you use your Ki to propel/levitate your body, which is the same thing as using a blast at its core. If someone blasted Ki out of their feet it would achieve the same result, they'd "fly", and still be like a normal blast but launched from their feet like one of those sci-fi jetpacks. And since they have control over their energy with such great dominance, they could blast energy from any part of their body anyways, and as a result they would "fly".
If you want to write this off, this is the second thing: basic physics. When they jump at each other and punch themselves with god-tier hits, in a normal fight (outside the tournament with these rules), the only thing keeping them together, close to each other while they exchange blows, is that they're levitating.
But with this rule, nothing "glues" them together, meaning that at the first contact by this godly punch capable of breaking mountains in half, a let's say 100 Kilogram fighter, even if blocking, would be sent back so hard, so fast, almost like a human "pinball" for like several Kilometres and be disqualified almost instantly.
Probably extremely late on this, extremely cliché, but... in that "Tournament of Power" with Jiren, the rule about not flying with Ki is absolute nonsense (there's more stuff obviously, but this.... is something else).
I might be misremembering, but someone may have used a blast in order to propel themself in some direction, now, the entire concept of flying in this anime is that you use your Ki to propel/levitate your body, which is the same thing as using a blast at its core. If someone blasted Ki out of their feet it would achieve the same result, they'd "fly", and still be like a normal blast but launched from their feet like one of those sci-fi jetpacks. And since they have control over their energy with such great dominance, they could blast energy from any part of their body anyways, and as a result they would "fly".
And while it was a good ending, I much prefer leaving the series with ending after Cell. I think it's very fitting Gohan taking the lead and Goku saying goodbye. And then... we get the shitty Buu saga where it doesn't know who it wants to be the main character.
Vegeta's sacrifice would be a fine place to leave things, if he killed Buu, the only problem is it'd result in a pretty short saga. It was still actually really good up until Gotenks' gag manga fight with Super Buu and then the long, drawn out fight against his other forms.
There were great highlights throughout even the latter half of the Buu saga but it can be a bit of a slog, at least in the original cut of the anime (manga obviously fares best in this regard).
ah and does anyone know if Toriyama intentionally never explained the concept of mixed Saiyans?
I always assumed that concentrated Saiyan blood, i.e. a hundredth of Saiyan blood, is stronger than half or am I wrong?
He explained it immediately, actually. Saiyan Saga Vegeta said they have higher potential or are just straight up stronger, can't recall which. He didn't elaborate though, so who knows if that means it's still true when there's very little Saiyan DNA left.
It's certainly implied Pan is as strong as she is because she's only 1/4 Saiyan, she was pretty strong for only being 3 years old, actually made Piccolo try a little during training in DBS:SH. Oh, and flew into space as a damn infant.
It's certainly implied Pan is as strong as she is because she's only 1/4 Saiyan, she was pretty strong for only being 3 years old, actually made Piccolo try a little during training in DBS:SH. Oh, and flew into space as a damn infant.
I sometimes wonder if Gohan and Pan's innate power comes from being descendants of Goku. Vegeta does indeed mention after the battle with Raditz that the union of a Saiyan and Human creates powerful hybrids but Gohan, Goten and Pan are also descendants of the greatest martial artist who ever lived.
Trunks is powerful too but, for all the shit Vegeta gets for being in Goku's shadow, Vegeta is usually right behind Goku. From what little we see of the Saiyans, there's nothing to suggest any of them were anywhere near Vegeta's punching weight even when he was 5 (except Broly lol).
I'm just spitballing, of course. It's just fun to speculate whether their power comes from racial makeup or having fathers and grandfathers who are insanely talented.
Now, that's better. But maybe you're right. Even still. I hate how he gives everyone that overly muscular look.
Like this is retarded and ghey. He wants to draw lines across muscles as much as he can.
Vegeta's sacrifice would be a fine place to leave things, if he killed Buu, the only problem is it'd result in a pretty short saga. It was still actually really good up until Gotenks' gag manga fight with Super Buu and then the long, drawn out fight against his other forms.
There were great highlights throughout even the latter half of the Buu saga but it can be a bit of a slog, at least in the original cut of the anime (manga obviously fares best in this regard).
From what I remember, his editors wanted him to make Goku the hero of the Buu saga. But it felt scatterbrain the whole time where it's constantly throwing the football to one another on who is going to beat Buu and he's saved with plot armor and retardation of the characters. Goku, Gotenks, Gohan and Vegetto all could've killed him and every one of them lets him become malignant.
But Vegeta taking Buu out would be so different and I kinda like it when I think about it. Gohan and Vegeta had the most growth in the series. Piccolo is right behind them. Goku didn't really change at all, but he became incredibly smart as a fighter and with strategy as the leader. Then, he becomes completely one dimensional in Super.
This shit has been debunked so many times it's almost not even worth the effort to call you retarded. This is something fans pulled out of their asses almost 40 years ago and haven't let go.
Also another rumor with nothing backing it up. Gohan was dropped as the MC because Toriyama simply didn't think he was cut out for the role. Which is even more retarded because Toriyama had the power to write Gohan into that role, but whatever. It wasn't studio meddling or fan backlash or any other dumb rumor. The dude was just indecisive and would rather slot Goku back into the picture instead of progressing Gohan as a character.
Also another rumor with nothing backing it up. Gohan was dropped as the MC because Toriyama simply didn't think he was cut out for the role. Which is even more retarded because Toriyama had the power to write Gohan into that role, but whatever. It wasn't studio meddling or fan backlash or any other dumb rumor. The dude was just indecisive and would rather slot Goku back into the picture instead of progressing Gohan as a character.
I sometimes wonder if Gohan and Pan's innate power comes from being descendants of Goku. Vegeta does indeed mention after the battle with Raditz that the union of a Saiyan and Human creates powerful hybrids but Gohan, Goten and Pan are also descendants of the greatest martial artist who ever lived.
Trunks is powerful too but, for all the shit Vegeta gets for being in Goku's shadow, Vegeta is usually right behind Goku. From what little we see of the Saiyans, there's nothing to suggest any of them were anywhere near Vegeta's punching weight even when he was 5 (except Broly lol).
I'm just spitballing, of course. It's just fun to speculate whether their power comes from racial makeup or having fathers and grandfathers who are insanely talented.
I'm sure their specific lineage plays a role, after all, Bardock himself was pretty strong (equal to King Vegeta and Baby Broly after his zenksi--10,000). Raditz is the outlier but only in hindsight and due to insane power creep, he was introduced as an extraordinary threat.
In Pan's case in particular, she is also the granddaughter of Hercule & daughter of Videl, two of the strongest humans on Earth, so that could explain her especially freakish degree of power.
I remember Toriyama said something about S-cells, and how that's passed down. I can't remember how that worked though.
Now, that's better. But maybe you're right. Even still. I hate how he gives everyone that overly muscular look.
Like this is retarded and ghey. He wants to draw lines across muscles as much as he can.
From what I remember, his editors wanted him to make Goku the hero of the Buu saga. But it felt scatterbrain the whole time where it's constantly throwing the football to one another on who is going to beat Buu and he's saved with plot armor and retardation of the characters. Goku, Gotenks, Gohan and Vegetto all could've killed him and every one of them lets him become malignant.
I don't mind them hopping between characters, but it just felt a bit 1-note. Look at every other saga. There's 3 Saiyans plus a transformation in Saiyan Saga. There's so much going on in Namek Saga that it felt busy in a good way, tons of villains and differing agendas between characters and changing circumstances. Android Saga is similar but more streamlined, less busy but still lots of dynamism.
Buu saga? It starts off strong but like I said, the last half is just Buu as the primary threat and nothing really changed except who's fighting. If it wasn't for Buu transforming it'd be really bad, but that alone wasn't really enough to spice it up sufficiently. I hate criticizing DBZ because I love it so much but if I'm being honest, Gotenks marked the low point with a mediocre fight, and Gohan dropping the ball was weak. Kid Buu is the least interesting form but at least had a good fight.
One thing I missed ever since Saiyan Saga is having a big cast fighting all at once and throwing everything they've got at the enemy in desperation. If felt like a war more than a fight. That was lost, Frieza kinda had that dynamic but with half the opponents. It was almost entirely gone in the Android saga, even though it's my favorite one I would've liked that. The filler has everyone jump in to help Gohan kill Cell, which was brief but awesome.
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i like the niggertube renditions of this scene
because it's more or less what goku was trying to do: back his son into a corner until he finally blew up
just more blunt and without tact
"That's it, Cell. Beat his ass!"
