Dragon Ball Thread - RIP Akira Toriyama

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Yeah I'm not sure what makes it so unique when everyone and their grandma can fire energy blasts. Like what makes it so fundamentally different from the Galick Gun?
I swear somewhere Vegeta mentions that they’re very similar so the only difference I can see is one is purple.
 
I swear somewhere Vegeta mentions that they’re very similar so the only difference I can see is one is purple.
Yeah most Ki based moves seem similar, but Ki definitely seems to be divided into sub-groups;
  1. Blast-type Ki, this being moves like the Kamehameha, Galick Gun, Tri-Beam
    1. Simple and quick to use; unless you want to charge it; will hurt like a motherfucker if you get hit by it.
    2. Can either be pushed back by it, or if you're totally overwhelmed it can reduce you to ashes.
    3. Could still win the fight if you were to get hit by the attack.
  2. Piercing/Slicing Ki, this being moves like the Special Beam Cannon, Destructo Disc, etc.
    1. These are lethal as fuck, but are incredibly hard to hit with or just take a lot of time to use.
    2. Unless you're specifically guarding against it or are just infinitely stronger than the one using it, if you get hit you're losing an arm tail or gaining a hole in your chest.
    3. Zero fucking chance of winning the fight if you get hit by the attack.
    4. Games unfortunately make these techniques look quick, easy and spammable, they aren't.
  3. Utility Ki, this being moves like the Kaioken, Solar Flare, etc.
    1. These are solely to assist in gaining an advantage over the enemy.
 
Games unfortunately make these techniques look quick, easy and spammable, they aren't.
Well that's kinda because the series treats these things inconsistently. Other than the Special Beam Cannon, pretty much every move in that category has been spammed and done quickly/easily.

Really the only move that doesn't get spammed is the Kikoho, and obviously the more obscure OG techniques like the Shock Wave and whatnot.
 
I swear somewhere Vegeta mentions that they’re very similar so the only difference I can see is one is purple.
I may be remembering wrong, but isn't the kamehameha supposed to be water based? At least it is when it is first introduced
 
Pope Geekdom dropped some mind blowing revelation about Gohan vs Cell.

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I too remember when Jesus Christ went Super Saiyan 2 after Judas betrayed him for silver coins. Amen!
 
He's somehow even more retarded than I thought.
Jesus Christ's nature was divine, and his capacity for forgiveness and compassion to all was as a result of that. It cannot simple be boiled down to it being because of his human nature.
More's to the point, Gohan's character in the Cell Saga is dogshit and all over the place and makes almost no sense in the first place. I understand why it happened, Toriyama needed there to be some sort of conflict for the climax of the story, so now Gohan is a pacifist despite never showing any signs of that during every other one of his appearances. He was always ready to throw down prior to the Cell Games, but something turned him into a massive fucking pussy and he quite literally never truly recovered as a character.
 
He's somehow even more retarded than I thought.
Jesus Christ's nature was divine, and his capacity for forgiveness and compassion to all was as a result of that. It cannot simple be boiled down to it being because of his human nature.
More's to the point, Gohan's character in the Cell Saga is dogshit and all over the place and makes almost no sense in the first place. I understand why it happened, Toriyama needed there to be some sort of conflict for the climax of the story, so now Gohan is a pacifist despite never showing any signs of that during every other one of his appearances. He was always ready to throw down prior to the Cell Games, but something turned him into a massive fucking pussy and he quite literally never truly recovered as a character.
It always fascinates me that a guy based his entire channel on the claim that he studies and understands Dragon Ball on a deeper level doesn't know that, or not call it to attention.

But then, that would mess up whatever narrative he has about Toriyama being a genius writer that could do no wrong during his prime years, ignoring how he had other people who provided alternatives or push him to make Dragon Ball what it was.

Even more so when his whole schtick these days is finding God and how awesome God and Jesus are. Look at this tweet for instance.

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Its no surprise that he is going with "Gohan is Jesus bro" all of a sudden. It's like when he said Daima Super Saiyan 4 looked more like Sun Wukong - he was trying to insert Journey to the West parallels into everything Dragon Ball did.
 
It always fascinates me that a guy based his entire channel on the claim that he studies and understands Dragon Ball on a deeper level doesn't know that, or not call it to attention.

But then, that would mess up whatever narrative he has about Toriyama being a genius writer that could do no wrong during his prime years, ignoring how he had other people who provided alternatives or push him to make Dragon Ball what it was.

Even more so when his whole schtick these days is finding God and how awesome God and Jesus are. Look at this tweet for instance.

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Its no surprise that he is going with "Gohan is Jesus bro" all of a sudden. It's like when he said Daima Super Saiyan 4 looked more like Sun Wukong - he was trying to insert Journey to the West parallels into everything Dragon Ball did.
Reekdumb has an infantile brain, incapable of examining philosophical texts without going "HOLY SHIT, THIS IS JUST LIKE MY CHILDRENS MEDIA! MY TWITTER AUDIENCE WILL LOVE THIS!"
A malignant growth only fit to be repurposed in the biomass reclaimers.
 
Personal bias, I don't mind if people use fictional media to make biblical parallels, there can be interesting conversations to be had. However, if you're going to bring up both Christianity and Buddhism to present your case for the universal truth, just go the extra mile and also do Taoism and Confucianism among others. I don’t believe Akira Toriyama had any of those spiritual themes in mind for the Gohan vs. Cell fight, though going at it through that regional mindset and what he may have grown up around would be much more interesting than the age-old "Character is a Messianic figure and here's why" approach.

With that in mind, now to wait for someone to do a "How Kami, Piccolo, and Nail Parallels the Trinity" video. I'll wait.
 
Today was Goku Day and Piccolo Day!
now Gohan is a pacifist despite never showing any signs of that during every other one of his appearances.
Really? I thought Gohan's dream was always to be a scholar. Sure, he's always willing to fight to protect others, but he was never into fighting for fighting's sake.
 
Today was Goku Day and Piccolo Day!

Really? I thought Gohan's dream was always to be a scholar. Sure, he's always willing to fight to protect others, but he was never into fighting for fighting's sake.
He dreams of being a scholar, but once he learns to fight and gets over his fear, he never once backs down from fighting. He jumps at the chance to fight on Namek pretty much immediately, and He doesn't voice any issues with fighting before they go into the time chamber. He's also the one who initiates a few of the fights they get involved in, like when He jumps in to save Dende or when he doesn't hesitate to turn around and go back to the fight with Vegeta.


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He also immediately moves to go intercept Frieza when he arrives on earth.

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Also, people forget that he was perfectly willing to fight the Androids when the Android Saga started.

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The issue that pops up with Gohan isn't so much that he dislikes fighting, that can be fine. It's the fact that he acts like this when he's fighting Cell.

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When he was perfectly willing to kill Frieza as an example.

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You can argue that he's in a rage or whatever, but that's still Gohan acting that way and saying these things.
 
Yeah, that does make Gohan's behavior in the Cell Games seem odd, but going back to that scene, I seem to recall Gohan adding that he's aware of how his power surges when he flies into a rage, and that it scares him. That's also a bit out of the blue, but in hindsight, he was right to worry, since it led to him blowing a chance to finish Cell off out of sadism.
 
Yeah, that does make Gohan's behavior in the Cell Games seem odd, but going back to that scene, I seem to recall Gohan adding that he's aware of how his power surges when he flies into a rage, and that it scares him. That's also a bit out of the blue, but in hindsight, he was right to worry, since it led to him blowing a chance to finish Cell off out of sadism.
This is fair, but even then, the sadism is a bit out of character for Gohan since every rage moment he has before this is him just outright trying to kill the person that pissed him off. But I guess you could make the argument that being in a Super Saiyan form makes it worse. Since Goku does become pretty sadistic on Namek after he turns Super Saiyan.
 
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