Dragon Ball Thread - RIP Akira Toriyama

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Yemma is a fucking subordinate of the Kai, what the fuck. Also King Kai giving tacit approval to genocidal space tyrants feels weird as fuck too. Salagir can't fucking worldbuild to save his life. Though what could you expect from the genius mind behind shovelware games "Amour Agent" and "Manga RPG"?
It came off as incredibly out of character for King Kai, who has only ever advocated for the earthlings to fight against evil.

He helped Goku with the Saiyan's and even though he didn't want Goku to, was still happy to help take down Frieza and save the Namekians by helping to facilitate the wish that brought them all to Earth.

Salgir is a bitch, and seeing his interactions in the comments of any chapter that is considered controversial where he tries to defend his shitty writing is always a treat.

I still love how he made Bra out to be a sociopath only to try and walk it back after he realized the fans didn't like his waifu as much as he did. I still will never forget the hilarious crash out Vegito had after the Majin Bra arc

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Also I love how the art for dbm and all the other side comics are so hit and miss, sometimes you get some genuinely good art depending on the artist

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Then you get this abysmal dog shit that is so blatantly traced over other images or the manga itself.

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just pay someone else to write
how do you fuck up a basic tournament story?

rip-off any single tournament manga even
He fell into the trap most fanfiction writers do, where they wanted to write something cool, like a multiversal tournament, and then he just started getting more and more ideas to try and keep spicing it up.

The fans of the story didn't help by sucking him off and praising every decision he made, when they didn't he'd just delete the comments.

He does the same shit when you comment on some of the weaker art chapters. Or asking why there HAS to be a shitty side story after almost every major chapter.
 
He fell into the trap most fanfiction writers do, where they wanted to write something cool, like a multiversal tournament, and then he just started getting more and more ideas to try and keep spicing it up.

The fans of the story didn't help by sucking him off and praising every decision he made, when they didn't he'd just delete the comments.

He does the same shit when you comment on some of the weaker art chapters. Or asking why there HAS to be a shitty side story after almost every major chapter.
even bad fanfic doesn't veer away from its basic premise
 
even bad fanfic doesn't veer away from its basic premise
As someone who's read way to many fanfictions in my life, yes they do. It's one of many things that makes bad fanfiction "bad."

There is plenty of fanfiction that starts off as simple shit like "What if Harry Potter was in the Star Wars universe" that devolve into some weird amalgamation of crossovers that doesn't make sense anymore.

Its just what happens when you have an author that's too ambitious for his skill level.
 
As someone who's read way to many fanfictions in my life, yes they do. It's one of many things that makes bad fanfiction "bad."

There is plenty of fanfiction that starts off as simple shit like "What if Harry Potter was in the Star Wars universe" that devolve into some weird amalgamation of crossovers that doesn't make sense anymore.

Its just what happens when you have an author that's too ambitious for his skill level.
that's just severe autism
 
that's just severe autism
Which fits Salagir to a T. Autism alert for me here and I think I've talked about it before, but Salagir is the guy who genuinely believed that Freeza's full power level at 100% is only 500,000 because when he read his shitty french TL of Dragonball, the translation erroneously had Freeza in his second form say that his power level was now "100,000". He was since corrected, and says that he now thinks that Freeza's family doubles in power every time they transform (also wrong and doesn't add up with what is seen in the story at all, and it would also funnily enough only make his wanked King Cold in his final form 1/4 of Freeza even at 100% power)
Powerscaling is cringe but seeing as Salagir wrote a story where characters do it all the time, you can actually figure out how strong the characters are compared to their Z versions, and even with his new logic, all the characters end up a fucking arc behind their canon counterparts. King Cold in his "second" form is as strong as Freeza in his final form, which would put Cold at 4 million, then his 4th form would be 16 million, and after the 100%, his 6th form which was called out by the peanut gallery as "close to Perfect Cell!" would be fucking 120,000,00. Which is Namek Freeza levels. This was an enemy even the extremely wanked Son Bra in her base struggled with massively and had to cheat with Senzus to win. He just got his own headcanon about things and then refused to let it go, which makes his characters seem like jokes.

Sorta tangent aside, seeing as this story was initially written with the idea that Freeza's full power was a mere 530,000 compared to his guidebook confirmed 120,000,000 (with Salagir having once listed power levels in the hundred thousands that were supposedly close to the 'frost demons' in at least one chapter), it's even worse, and as a result of that, every character in Dragon Ball Multiverse after Freeza is roughly two hundred times weaker than their counterpart in Z. And DBM Goku like 15 years post the Buu Saga hasn't surpassed that Freeza in his base.
It's kinda silly, but at the same time I find the idea of DBM Vegito going fucking life and death with somebody like Cell Games Z Goku to be extremely fucking funny. It's like the fucking Gogeta vs Base Cabba memes.
My own theory about all the Brolywank in DBM isn't because DBM Broly is like, genuinely invincible with infinite power, it's just that the Broly in DBM is the only character who has the same strength he had in his Z film.
 
Freeza's family doubles in power
I can kind of see where he's coming from. From a quick Google search

His first form is stated to be around 530,000

His second form is over a million, Google says 1,060,000 but that's in think fandom guessing.

His final form at 100 percent is known to be 120,000,000, since SSJ Goku's power being 150,000,000.

We don't know his third form or suppressed final forms power levels but Google basically says that they're around

2,000,000

3,000,000

60,000,000

Respectively.

Going off those numbers

First to second form is a 2x multiplier though it's more accurate to say he's unlocking two times his normal strength, since his forms are suppressions of his full power.

Second to third form is a 1.8x multiplier.

Third to Final form is 1.5

Final to 50% full power is 20x

50% to 100% is another 2x

He's still wrong but I can get why the French fag would misunderstand how shit works
 
I can kind of see where he's coming from. From a quick Google search

His first form is stated to be around 530,000

His second form is over a million, Google says 1,060,000 but that's in think fandom guessing.

His final form at 100 percent is known to be 120,000,000, since SSJ Goku's power being 150,000,000.

We don't know his third form or suppressed final forms power levels but Google basically says that they're around

2,000,000

3,000,000

60,000,000

Respectively.

Going off those numbers

First to second form is a 2x multiplier though it's more accurate to say he's unlocking two times his normal strength, since his forms are suppressions of his full power.

Second to third form is a 1.8x multiplier.

Third to Final form is 1.5

Final to 50% full power is 20x

50% to 100% is another 2x

He's still wrong but I can get why the French fag would misunderstand how shit works
I can understand why he's wrong, but it doesn't make him any less retarded.
He originally argued once that on Namek, Captain Ginyu was stronger than Second Form Freeza.
 
Yeah he's an idiot, which again isn't surprising since he's French
This reminds me of the time where it looked like the center-right party led by Marine LePenn looked like it might've won in France, and Salagir started having a proper melty in the comments of his webcomic (where talking about politics is forbidden, naturally) saying how "THE NAZIS ARE WINNING!"
This is of course despite the situation in France jobwise being bad enough that Laurent moved away from France to create his scammy start-up "games" company in Bulgaria. He's THAT sort of retard.
 
This reminds me of the time where it looked like the center-right party led by Marine LePenn looked like it might've won in France, and Salagir started having a proper melty in the comments of his webcomic (where talking about politics is forbidden, naturally) saying how "THE NAZIS ARE WINNING!"
This is of course despite the situation in France jobwise being bad enough that Laurent moved away from France to create his scammy start-up "games" company in Bulgaria. He's THAT sort of retard.
Europeans are mentally raped and the French are even worse. Like I said earlier I kind of knew he was a clown the moment he started policing his comments when any real criticism popped up.
 
His first form is stated to be around 530,000
IIRC Frieza starts the fight at 50% strength in his first form too before powering up to half a mil, which again ties into the roughly 2x boost gimmick Toriyama had going with Frieza until he fucked up and ended up giving him a 20x boost for his 4th form.

When you think about it's probably just a straight up mistake. A very obvious pattern gets unbelievably fucked at the end of his powerup sequence for no discernible reason. Toriyama said that he imagined SSJ being a 10x boost for Goku, but then people told him that it would need to be like 50x to make any sense for him to beat Frieza.

He clearly meant to conform to the 2x until the end with the 50%/100% Frieza thing but he lost track of his own scaling along the way. If he never said Goku used kaioken x10 & x20 against Frieza and just stuck to x4 and maybe x5 for the kamehameha then a SSJ form that only gave a 10x boost to Goku would've been completely fine and the powerlevels wouldn't have to randomly escalate from a few mill to 100s of millions.
Beats my mind how sperg retards deepdive into DB "lore" as if Toriyama gave a fuck about depth instead of telling a really fun and simple adventure story using random plot devices just because he found them fun.
Stop projecting your failure to comprehend the breakfast question onto Toriyama lilbro. A professional artist who grinds 6 days a week for years on his story does in fact give a shit about what he makes and puts a lot of thought into it.

Only a gorilla nigger tier retarded sperg believes anything can be produced by not giving a shit and it just randomly happens to work out and be successful. Toriyama's flaws as a writer are just that, flaws, and not a 5D statement about how much he doesn't heckin care ackshually.

Wow, a guy whose primary inspirations are comic strips and action movies doesn't have the lore writing skills of Tolkein. It must be because he doesn't give a shit! It can't possibly be due to the limits of his own skills as a writer!
 
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He clearly meant to conform to the 2x until the end with the 50%/100% Frieza thing but he lost track of his own scaling along the way. If he never said Goku used kaioken x10 & x20 against Frieza and just stuck to x4 and maybe x5 for the kamehameha then a SSJ form that only gave a 10x boost to Goku would've been completely fine and the powerlevels wouldn't have to randomly escalate from a few mill to 100s of millions.
Yeah there's a reason he ditches power levels immediately after Namek. Sure Gero and Babidi scan power levels in their own way but they're purposely shown to be wrong in their estimations of strength.
 
Yeah there's a reason he ditches power levels immediately after Namek. Sure Gero and Babidi scan power levels in their own way but they're purposely shown to be wrong in their estimations of strength.
IIRC The last time he directly mentioned powerlevels on Namek is form 2 Frieza being over 1 million, in the manga atleast. (All the numbers after that are from daizenshuu and secondary stuff like that.) Tbh I think he dropped it at first because all the scouters got bricked by that point. The whole concept is tied to the prop, but the prop itself was no longer present.

Ironically, if he made sure to quantify Frieza's powerlevel for the next 2 transformations too he probably would've caught the kaioken fuckup before he made it. Or atleast whomever he was working with would've, cause they were the ones that told him SSJ only giving a 10x boost made no sense.
 
So yesterday, LBA dropped a video where he shat on the Ultra Vegito fanfiction.

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The video is pretty good. I especially like the end part where people like Salagir and other Dragon Ball fanfic writers miss the point of Dragon Ball.

However, the reason I am bringing this up is because I learned some more about Arj as a person. Holy shit, there's more shit about him than I thought.

For starters, and the most obvious of all, Arj is a complete retard. Now, since he is writing and showing off his Ultra Vegito work so proudly, he has to be. But this tard also uses AI for validation about how deep his fanfic is.

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There is also more to Arj's scamming. Besides trying to swindle his audience on drawing lessons, he also links MPL, which is a fraud organisation in on itself.

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And, most disturbingly, Arj is a pedophile. Here are a few examples.

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Then there's this......

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Nothing wrong, you say? Well that's changed conveniently after LBA made a video on him. This was his previous thumbnail

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Now surely, it's just YouTubers doing clickbait shit, right? Well, there is also softcore porn of Pan and Bra......

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......And this folder

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I really believe that Arj should warrant some attention.
 
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