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Wait... isn't the tor browser open source? Wouldn't someone just immediately fork and recompile with the relevant feature removed?
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These people have the mental capacity of a bag of marbles. Please tell me what you expected so I can point, laugh and call you a faggot.
Legitimately, I mean.
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Well, I guess at least the bag of marbles is useful if you lost your abacus. Or if you're a 1920s kid with no other toys.
I have no expectations at this point, just making sure that was an option because duckduckgo sucks ass and a cursory search didn't make it immediately apparent.
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TOR Browser is also compromised as fuck.
Look into Operation Pacifier. https://www.eff.org/pt-br/cases/playpen-cases-mass-hacking-us-law-enforcement?page=1
They included a hacked version of Adobe Flash that dialed home outside of TOR in the official TOR Browser bundle, giving them a list of IPs that accessed some CP site. The feds then RAN said Child Porn site for weeks, complete with downloads of pics and videos, so they could get a list of IPs from the worldwide userbase.
They got approval for this blatantly illegal "general warrant" with infinite global reach by asking a Magistrate TRAFFIC COURT JUDGE, because the District Court Judges rightfully refused, saying that it was 4th Amendment violation. Which was apparently oked retroactively by the Supremes, because the FBI is allowed to forum shop for judges. Want to spy on some Gun store in Alabama? Ask a traffic court judge in New York to do so, it's ok, not like a judge might have an idea about their local area.
When judges started throwing out these cases because again, blatant 4th amendment violations, the SCOTUS issued a declaration -- a change to Rule 41 -- stating that if you're on the internet, you give up your 4th Amendment Rights and thus it's JUST FOOKIN DANDY that the FBI is installing malware on your computer.
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And what's their problem with that? These kinds of dumbfucks seem into that shit.
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Lacks subtlety, and besides, it's more erotic if raping the child is still a crime that only the elite can get away with, apparently.
It wasn't a hacked version of Adobe Flash. That's a common exploit possible in flash by default, coupled with a now fixed exploit in Firefox of the time. There's a reason why Adobe just threw their arms up in the air and went "fuck it" instead of maintaining the program, and it's not just due to it being deprecated by walled garden app stores.
Jagraveen
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So let me get this straight. They say they prevent censorship, but they want to censor a site because it doesn't match their political views? Is this hypocrisy, or flat out lying?View attachment 2350223
The Tor Project Defends the Human Rights Racists Oppose | Tor Project
Tor is designed to defend human rights and privacy by preventing anyone from censoring things, even us.blog.torproject.org
SJDoubleJew
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"OH NO! Wahhh mommy the evil fascists are going after the poor pedos. What is more Unamerican than attack the right to diddle kids."
They didn't backdoor shit, they just abused a 0day that anyone could have abused. They didn't collect data on anyone except the degenerate trashbags visiting their honeypot.
And no, pedos should not have the 4th.
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You seem upset.
McSneaks
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if you actually bothered to read the four (very small) paragraphs on that four year old page (lol), they said literally nothing about censorship and flat out side "it would be cool if bad people weren't here but if we want good people to be anonymous and safe then everyone gets the right". so uh....
You're a little dense if you think it's hypocritical or lying that you can possibly want to prevent censorship, but also oppose a specific thing and wish it didn't exist. In fact you can strongly believe in literally both of these things and neither will affect the other in any capacity. Otherwise you'd support the kiwifarms CP expansion forum, correct?
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Calm down booklicker, the feds aren't going to stop violating civil rights anytime soon.
Jagraveen
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First of all, I actually did read the article. Second of all, when it comes to opposing censorship you need to let people say whatever whenever, even if you don't agree with it. Obviously, when it comes to the literal endangerment of humanity, some things have to be turned down, I agree. But this is just a political website we're talking about, not some CP darkweb.
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If criminals don't have the 4th, nobody does.
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Your take on Operation Pacifier seemed hysterical, so I took a look at some of the cases. I'm going sperg and make some corrections to your comment for clarity and accuracy.
1. "TOR Browser is also compromised as fuck." If you mean the FBI regularly monitors TOR, you're right but everyone knows this. Keep in mind, however, that it is not the FBI or the US government who is going after this site. I mean unless you dumbasses are sharing CP or something.
2. Here the FBI was investigating a site, Playpen, that hosted CP. FBI seized the server, then the FBI created a honeypot by continuing to operate the server in Virginia. Perv 'tards continued to consume CP. FBI gathered IP addresses of the pervs by deploying a NIT (network analyzer hack), then convinced a Virginia magistrate to issue warrants to the search the computers using the IP. FBI's justification? NIT was a tracking device (exception to rule Federal Rules of Crim Proc 41b).
3. At the time NIT hacks were not included under 41b, now they are. Why? because the conference of judges who make the rules of criminal procedure expanded the rule. SCOTUS approved the expansion of the rule, but didn't like knock down the 4th Amendment fruit of the poisonous tree doctrine.
4. A rule in the federal rules of criminal procedure are not law. They are rules for courts to follow when trying cases.
5. What does this mean? Rule is not law; so can challenge in courts. AND that is exactly what lawyers are still doing.
https://www.bostonlawyerblog.com/big-changes-little-known-rule-rule-41b-unlawful-search-paved-way/
2. Here the FBI was investigating a site, Playpen, that hosted CP. FBI seized the server, then the FBI created a honeypot by continuing to operate the server in Virginia. Perv 'tards continued to consume CP. FBI gathered IP addresses of the pervs by deploying a NIT (network analyzer hack), then convinced a Virginia magistrate to issue warrants to the search the computers using the IP. FBI's justification? NIT was a tracking device (exception to rule Federal Rules of Crim Proc 41b).
3. At the time NIT hacks were not included under 41b, now they are. Why? because the conference of judges who make the rules of criminal procedure expanded the rule. SCOTUS approved the expansion of the rule, but didn't like knock down the 4th Amendment fruit of the poisonous tree doctrine.
4. A rule in the federal rules of criminal procedure are not law. They are rules for courts to follow when trying cases.
5. What does this mean? Rule is not law; so can challenge in courts. AND that is exactly what lawyers are still doing.
https://www.bostonlawyerblog.com/big-changes-little-known-rule-rule-41b-unlawful-search-paved-way/
SJDoubleJew
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I'm not.
I was saying this not so much in frame of 'Should criminals have human rights?' but more of an ontological one of ' Should pedophiles be considered to be humans?'
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If you want to talk about after they're convicted, sure. You can't circumvent due process to reach the conviction, though. That undermines the whole system.
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I think 'Death of the Internet' by @Null is well written and documents some invisible and under reported gotchas and controls that anyone will run into when going against 'the' mainstream narrative. This is a big, infrastructural problem. You could argue that even a POTUS ran into this at some level.
If anyone is in a place to at least open up the discussion, it's the 'nerds on HN'. They work at Google, Apple, Facebook, Amazon, Netflix. By extension a subset of them probably deal with other controlling agencies like ICANN, IANA and RIPE.
So I saw the article by Null actually pop up in the HN queue some days ago. But, instead of starting a introspective discussion amongst tech elite, the article was almost immediately removed from the site. No reasoning, no discussion.
It's unsettling that the tech industry itself now embraces 'censorship' while being built on open and free technology.
I have much more to write about this, but I need to collect my thoughts. As crazy as it is, Null seems to be the only person worldwide capable of recognizing and combating global censorship. With the current rules and systems, it's bound to be a losing battle. I commend you, Null, you are one of the strongest and most valiant people alive at the moment.
Given some time and effort, I think we can build a resurrection of the original Internet without tracking, spying and censorship. We have the cryptographic primitives, and we now have the extensive knowledge and experience of how systems are and will be centralized. We'll start from 'trust noone' and go from there. Hope to elaborate on this in the future.
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SJDoubleJew
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This post glows so much you can see it from space
Trying not to sound like an anarchist edgelord but fuck your due process and fuck your system. There is no real justice in modern western legalism. The due process is based on almost pure empiricism which is void of any reason and morals. I don't need a system to tell me that pedos should go for helicopter rides -- people who believe in due process do (even after conviction, + being convicted doesn't mean you get punished, or that the punishment was just.) Dont bullshit anyone. Nobody accidentally downloads tor and randomly out of nowhere stumbles on a FBI honeypot. The only way the American legal system would actually work is if every single human action and thought was recorded and stored somewhere, and that's where it's inevitably going and when the microchips and social credit systems come you'll have to choose between loyalty to the system and your so called rights anyways. The system doesn't exist to ensure your rights, it just leases your rights to you because at the moment, you having illusion of having rights is beneficial to it.
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Don't worry licking cop boots like a beaten dog doesn't make you sound anything like an anarchist.