Drew Chadwick DeVault / ddevault / SirCmpwn - Opinionated white-male-guilt-ridden software developer. Cancelled Hyprland and slandered it as "toxic" and transphobic. Hates X11 users and Hacker News. Lolicon.

[WTBOnlineFather]

Egotistical soydevs like this fucker or Hector Martin make me MATI and ashamed of being a linux user. Regardless of all the downsides of winblows and the moral corruption of Microsoft as a company, at least windows is truly a system for everyone and you will never see any sort of cringy political gatekeeping and raging autism from them.

I sincerely wish people like Drew would actually get to experience the oppression and bullying they claim they receive so much of. If opensource is to have a future other than a hyper-autistic hobby about constantly reinventing the wheel, these lunatics need to be knocked down a peg.

 

[Creative Username]

Egotistical soydevs like this fucker or Hector Martin make me MATI and ashamed of being a linux user.

Don't be. People hating your OS for simply being made by dangerhairs are always at least extremely myopic. People not preferring Linux because they need Windows-only software and/or don't want to expend the effort to learn how to set it up are okay, but if they would never use Linux simply because there are some pronoun people in the credits, they are clinically retarded.

Regardless of all the downsides of winblows and the moral corruption of Microsoft as a company, at least windows is truly a system for everyone and you will never see any sort of cringy political gatekeeping and raging autism from them.

Windows likes putting gay politisperging directly into the OS's GUI, which is something that I don't see that much of in Linux. The CoC stuff is only for code contributors too, and would you not get fired for making troon jokes in Microsoft's offices? The licenses of the components of the average Linux system also don't have political gatekeeping restrictions for users and developers making forks, so their gatekeeping is literally invalid anyway. You could make a fork of all of Drew's software and add your chud patches today and he legally wouldn't be able to do shit. Josh wrote Sneedchat in Rust, a language made almost solely by pronoun people, and Sneedchat's shortcomings have been few and far between, and never caused by its language. The FOSS licenses all do this by design.

I sincerely wish people like Drew would actually get to experience the oppression and bullying they claim they receive so much of. If opensource is to have a future other than a hyper-autistic hobby about constantly reinventing the wheel, these lunatics need to be knocked down a peg.

While these lunatics are reinventing wheels in bizarre ways, others are maintaining good wheels and improving existing wheel designs. The software that actually works will come out on top, from people actually using it and contributing to it. This will hold true in all cases where insane trannies are less able to write quality software than the rest of us.

This also applies to package maintainers for distros. Their job is to compile and package software for distributions, and all of the supply-chain malware attacks in open-source software that I know of have been through self-submitted repositories like npm and the AUR. If a package maintainer pushed a piece of software with politically-motivated logic bombs, it would destroy the reputation of the maintainer and probably the entire distribution as well. This is why I fucking hate language-specific repositories, because there usually isn't as much oversight there.

 

[Avenue]

Programming talent wasted by spending time arguing about morals with people who will never fully agree with him. Leave policy making and code of conduct writing to people who are actually interpersonally capable. Let programmers be programmers and don’t force them to bother with this bureaucracy.

p.s. for someone who browses /g/ their personal security kinda sucks, he registered sourcehut to the Dutch chamber of commerce to, what looks like, his personal residence.

 

[Creative Username]

Programming talent wasted by spending time arguing about morals with people who will never fully agree with him. Leave policy making and code of conduct writing to people who are actually interpersonally capable. Let programmers be programmers and don’t force them to bother with this bureaucracy.

Ideally you don't need policies because there's no conflict involved with code patches. At least that's how it should be, but tards are gonna tard. Here's a good code of conduct that I made in 3000 hours in wine notepad (original CoC, do not steal):

1. send the fucking PR and don't get mad if it gets rejected
2. don't be retarded in PR comments

p.s. for someone who browses /g/ their personal security kinda sucks, he registered sourcehut to the Dutch chamber of commerce to, what looks like, his personal residence.

He doesn't browse /g/, he just drops by every now and then to shill Hare.

 

[Solid Hyrax]

Egotistical soydevs like this fucker or Hector Martin make me MATI and ashamed of being a linux user. Regardless of all the downsides of winblows and the moral corruption of Microsoft as a company, at least windows is truly a system for everyone and you will never see any sort of cringy political gatekeeping and raging autism from them.

A thought occurred to me: Yes. Linux has many problem because of soydevs and lunatic trannies working on the software. The issue is since it's open source we can see every single tidbit of tech discussion and how they have been slowly infiltrating.

But Windows... Windows is & will probably continue to be closed. We have absolutely no idea what is going in the development outside of leaks. Do we have any information on how prevalent the rot is inside a secretive OS that we already know is after our data? All I can say is Microsoft probably closes the lid on the insanity with NDAs and strict hiring protocols.

I'm spitballing here. Microsoft might not be as bulletproof as we might think.

 

[WTBOnlineFather]

Windows likes putting gay politisperging directly into the OS's GUI

I haven't noticed this. I know they put in assloads of adware the likes of which would have prompted one to reinstall the whole system in the 2000s, but I've never encountered any outright wokisms in new windows and I've been using it for work for many years.

The CoC stuff is only for code contributors too

That's my exact problem though. As a user they have no way of actively policing your behavior so you wouldn't care about any gay CoC-sucking either way. As a developer, if you're deemed to be a chud, trannies in charge can unilaterally reject your work and your input, resulting in an inferior final product. As we see ITT, they can even externally fuck with users of your software just because they have an autistic hate boner towards you for whatever irrelevant and asinine reasons.

Many leading opensource developments are completely coopted by trannies and walking breathing soyjaks. Wayland, GNOME, systemd and more. Imagine if Wayland had been developed by people who do not have their head lodged inside their rectum, people who don't autistically declare soy jihad upon anyone with mildly different use cases, let alone different political opinions, completely fucking up the entire project in the end. They go out of their way to make it more and more difficult for users to opt out of their literally retarded and pozzed software. (Reminiscent of Apple, anyone?)

These people are a significant hindrance to the development of Linux as a suitable operating system for end users, splinter the OSS community, and are an active threat to the lifespan of old, working systems due to how they try to force maintainers to work with their bullshit and submit their negholes for pozloading. It's sad.

 

[Creative Username]

A thought occurred to me: Yes. Linux has many problem because of soydevs and lunatic trannies working on the software. The issue is since it's open source we can see every single tidbit of tech discussion and how they have been slowly infiltrating.

But Windows... Windows is & will probably continue to be closed. We have absolutely no idea what is going in the development outside of leaks. Do we have any information on how prevalent the rot is inside a secretive OS that we already know is after our data? All I can say is Microsoft probably closes the lid on the insanity with NDAs and strict hiring protocols.

I'm spitballing here. Microsoft might not be as bulletproof as we might think.

I'm 99% sure of your correctness. Considering the absolute insanity of modern workplaces, the insides of Microsoft's developer cages are going to be chock-full of pronoun pin wearers. If I recall correctly, Microsoft and the likes have been the main ones pushing this CoC shit.

That's my exact problem though. As a user they have no way of actively policing your behavior so you wouldn't care about any gay CoC-sucking either way. As a developer, if you're deemed to be a chud, trannies in charge can unilaterally reject your work and your input, resulting in an inferior final product. As we see ITT, they can even externally fuck with users of your software just because they have an autistic hate boner towards you for whatever irrelevant and asinine reasons.

If enough people are deemed chuds, they can make a fork with significantly higher quality and include good changes to the upstream source as well, resulting in higher quality software. If this fork is better by enough of a margin, the trannies will either abandon it or have to start including patches from the chud fork. The former is more likely.

Many leading opensource developments are completely coopted by trannies and walking breathing soyjaks. Wayland, GNOME, systemd and more. Imagine if Wayland had been developed by people who do not have their head lodged inside their rectum, people who don't autistically declare soy jihad upon anyone with mildly different use cases, let alone different political opinions, completely fucking up the entire project in the end. They go out of their way to make it more and more difficult for users to opt out of their literally retarded and pozzed software. (Reminiscent of Apple, anyone?)

These people are a significant hindrance to the development of Linux as a suitable operating system for end users, splinter the OSS community, and are an active threat to the lifespan of old, working systems due to how they try to force maintainers to work with their bullshit and submit their negholes for pozloading. It's sad.

It's a combination of woke bullshit and the less political Poettering mindset of changing things because you don't like the old things. Why can't we have an X12, or a new X11 with a new codebase? Thankfully, there aren't too many significant fractures at this moment, and it seems to be trending to being better over the long term. You can use X11 just fine (I'm posting this from X11) and you can use s6init as well. (Posting from systemd, unfortunately.) People will only start neglecting X11 if Wayland actually works, which it doesn't, because I've tried and it has been terrible. If Wayland actually does work well, then great! It's just going to have to actually work.

 

[Beautiful Border]

Don't be. People hating your OS for simply being made by dangerhairs are always at least extremely myopic. People not preferring Linux because they need Windows-only software and/or don't want to expend the effort to learn how to set it up are okay, but if they would never use Linux simply because there are some pronoun people in the credits, they are clinically retarded.

It's such a terrible argument to not support something that a part of me thinks they have to be bad faith actors. It's like the people who bring up the silly but ultimately trivial things Mozilla has done over the years (like the "bitch to boss" extension) as a reason to not use Firefox, even though it's now the only thing preventing Chromium from having a total monopoly over the browser market and it at least gives you the the means to make it very good in terms of privacy. Whatever pandering Linux and Mozilla get up to would absolutely not be worth how disastrous it would be if they were to exit the stage.

 

[AnOminous]

I'm spitballing here. Microsoft might not be as bulletproof as we might think.

I bet Microsoft is actually funding these fuckers specifically to wreck Open Source's reputation and make sure it doesn't get industry adoption.

 

[Creative Username]

It's such a terrible argument to not support something that a part of me thinks they have to be bad faith actors. It's like the people who bring up the silly but ultimately trivial things Mozilla has done over the years (like the "bitch to boss" extension) as a reason to not use Firefox, even though it's now the only thing preventing Chromium from having a total monopoly over the browser market and it at least gives you the the means to make it very good in terms of privacy. Whatever pandering Linux and Mozilla get up to would absolutely not be worth how disastrous it would be if they were to exit the stage.

Microsoft and friends are proven to be well-versed in PsyOps and FUD tactics, and they have even been caught red-handed in the act. It's dumb to assume that they wouldn't be doing that now, especially against certain operating systems that have been rapidly increasing in desktop usability (particularly gaming, a market that the major desktop OS has until now been solidly cornering) lately.

I don't think these people are bad faith actors, they just fell for some classic fallacies in absence of being able to see that the other side is worse, due to the lack of transparency. There are probably way more than a few Drews in Microsoft.

I bet Microsoft is actually funding these fuckers specifically to wreck Open Source's reputation and make sure it doesn't get industry adoption.

I've heard that the OSI has been becoming more and more of a Microsoft puppet as of late. Maybe it's just another bit of FSF-style sperging, but you know what the Halloween docs say: "Embrace, Extend, Extinguish."

 

[Jones McCann]

Regardless of all the downsides of winblows and the moral corruption of Microsoft as a company, at least windows is truly a system for everyone and you will never see any sort of cringy political gatekeeping and raging autism from them.

I don't want to turn this thread into another Linux v. Windows thread but it's not like Microsoft doesn't love inserting trannies anywhere and everywhere they can, just google Fable 4 character and behold. Besides, the only gatekeeping is specifically on the development side, the software is MIT or GPL.

If opensource is to have a future other than a hyper-autistic hobby about constantly reinventing the wheel, these lunatics need to be knocked down a peg.

The CIA did some experiments and found out that no organization that isn't top-down can withstand the leftist threat, good luck everyone I'm going to my cabin for a few years for an unrelated reason.

 

[Slav Power]

People not preferring Linux because they need Windows-only software and/or don't want to expend the effort to learn how to set it up

You wanted to say "because they want their OS to not have retarded technical issues whenever their use case expands beyond using a web browser and/or not wanting to waste hours trying to find solutions to this single issue and get mad over the unhelpful GNU/Linux community that tells them to git gud because they want their shit to just work".

Because that's the real reason GNU/Linux will never take over Windows. GUI Linux is a complete and utter mess, is riddled with issues that shouldn't exist in the first place, the developers are completely disorganized and they refuse to listen to people who have valid complaints about their software.

And people who shill Linux will make it look like a godsend savior of computing, but whenever someone brings up very valid issues that they've encountered, they'll continuously downplay them rather than fixing them to improve Linux. There are hundreds of different distros, most of which are a result of people disagreeing on which specific subcomponent should be plugged into the Linux kernel.

This is the real issue that keeps Linux from becoming anything else than a hyperspecific hobby. There is zero organization in making it a coherent project, distros are made out of thousands of components, all of which are developed independently, and developers keep fighting whether or not their specific package should support that other specific package or not.

In the end the whole Windows vs Linux argument boils down to the fact that people want to argue the absolute superiority of one option over the other, but the truth is that both of them have a lot of flaws, and Linux's biggest flaw is the fixation on hating everything Microsoft related, whilst failing to adopt the one single thing that still makes Windows superior to Linux for desktop use, which is getting your shit together and having a leadership to beat the project into a proper path.

I really want for Linux to be a viable option, I really do, but I will be once again forced to use Windows because to this day Linux can't figure out the absolute basics of making a functional OS and won't manage to do so for years to come, and if your OS won't let me to effortlessly use the specific software suite that fits my purposes, then your OS is meaningless, it doesn't serve it's purpose.

This is (hopefully) gonna be my only contribution to this argument in this thread. And please, do not respond to it, because I know you're a hyperfixated autists that will start dissecting every single thing that I've said to prove me wrong. But this is a lolcow thread, not the "Official Windows vs Linux Debate Thread", and your long winded respones to other people focusing on the Windows vs Linux argument rather than Drew are already making up most of this page.

 

[Markass the Worst]

p.s. for someone who browses /g/ their personal security kinda sucks, he registered sourcehut to the Dutch chamber of commerce to, what looks like, his personal residence.

Really?

This private information is unavailable to guests due to policies enforced by third-parties.

Which appears to be in some sort of business park on Google Maps.

 

[Avenue]

This private information is unavailable to guests due to policies enforced by third-parties.

*edit for private block

 

[Markass the Worst]

This private information is unavailable to guests due to policies enforced by third-parties.

*edit for private block

Good enough for me. Added to OP and credited. Looks like Drew went to the Daniel Micay school of opsec.

 

[DavidS877]

on the desktop

And please, do not respond to it, because I know you're a hyperfixated autists that will start dissecting every single thing that I've said to prove me wrong.

That's the important bit. Linux is doing quite fine on the server side. The retards all like being the center of attention. So shiny new stuff, languages, desktop environments, game launchers. The shit people use for money is significantly less retarded. No matter your views on Ubuntu and RedHat they make their money on the server side. Desktop users are a rounding error.

Obviously the companies are retarded, but that's institutional retardation not lolcows.

 

[Slav Power]

That's the important bit. Linux is doing quite fine on the server side. The retards all like being the center of attention. So shiny new stuff, languages, desktop environments, game launchers. The shit people use for money is significantly less retarded. No matter your views on Ubuntu and RedHat they make their money on the server side. Desktop users are a rounding error.

Obviously the companies are retarded, but that's institutional retardation not lolcows.

That's the crux of it all. The Linux kernel itself is a fantastic piece of code, and all the big corporations like Microsoft, Apple, IBM, Google and so on all contribute to it's development, because they also find the value in it and are actively using it, so they're making sure it's as good as it can be.

The issue in the GNU/Linux equation is the GNU/ part. That's where chaos and narcissism reigns supreme, and that's why desktop Linux will never outbeat desktop Windows. GNU/Linux desktop OS is much like what Microsoft was doing right up until XP, where they slapped a GUI on top of a CLI OS and we all know how that ended.

Meanwhile server Windows will never outbeat server Linux, since modern Windows was really designed from the ground up as a GUI workstation OS with the Windows NT lineage, while Linux was at it's core just a copy of Unix, which is a CLI OS at it's core. It's sleek, optimized and perfect for headless server applications.

If anything this is the core of this argument. Linux was never designed to be a GUI OS and Windows was never designed to be a CLI OS. And because of that one cannot become another, because at it's core it's tied to one type of interaction and not another, and any attempt at changing it will be a half measure.

The only hope for desktop Linux is for there to be a carefully managed project to create a coherent GUI suite that would run on top of the Linux kernel, but I'm afraid it's too late for that. There are multiple window managers, desktop environments, package managers, and the whole systemd debacle, and there is no way to wipe the slate clean like Microsoft did by ditching 9x in the name of NT.

This is (hopefully) gonna be my only contribution to this argument in this thread.

Well so much for that. I guess the derailment will continue until it all gets moved to Mass Debates, because neither I nor everyone else can stop themselves from this.

 

[The Noise]

nothing short of poetic irony that linux was able to become such a robust piece of software because linus torvalds was willing to stand his ground and tell people off, and now the open source software/linux community is infested with parasites like drew who make sure that politisperging kills any good faith efforts to improve open source projects

i think people like drew are never happy because they constantly live in fear; fear of evil nazi kiwis, fear of evil nazi shitposters on discord, fear of evil nazi DE users, and so on. because they let fear define their lives, they can never be satisfied, and so their life's goal is to drag everyone down with them so that they can delude themselves into believing that their lives of self-imposed misery are normal and acceptable. many such cases.

excellent thread OP, i look forward to seeing how this clown spirals further into extremism.

 

[OK_Cogitator]

Well shit, I use/test hyprland because it meets my needs and I just like the project. But I'm happy to learn this faggot thought I was part of the problem all along.

 

[Lord of the Large Pants]

I can't tell whether Drew got too many wedgies or not quite enough.