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Has Droon made any comments or defense of Bicha?
💪 Tough Guys Drew Chadwick DeVault / ddevault / SirCmpwn - Opinionated white-male-guilt-ridden software developer. Cancelled Hyprland and slandered it as "toxic" and transphobic. Hates X11 users and Hacker News. Lolicon.
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Doesn't seem so, but I can imagine privately he is in support of him.
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There's a proposal to include Hare in Fedora 43 (scheduled for release this fall).
...why? It's not interesting, noone actually uses it, even the proposal page admits there are breaking changes being made, and the main dev is a raging pedophile who fancies himself some sort of an open source guru.
...why? It's not interesting, noone actually uses it, even the proposal page admits there are breaking changes being made, and the main dev is a raging pedophile who fancies himself some sort of an open source guru.
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hare: it's like c but [inaudible]
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it's like c but worse
C people don't like Hare because it's strictly less capable. Rust people don't like it because it's a worse C, Drew somehow managed to make a programming language disliked by all sides. Truly an accomplishment.
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the point of the language seems to be "stable language for 100 years" but that's called c and you aren't going to do that
keep dreaming you little bitch
actually he didn't because iirc hare doesn't even have the raii and memory safety checking that rust does
hare literally seems to be a very lackluster incompatible derivative of c that has a reference implementation that targets a compiler backend that is itself a very lackluster clone of gcc
it has pretty much no reason to exist and i cannot think of reasons why anybody would use it, except for the case that you happen to be drew devault and you are unusually biased in its favor since you made the thing
i think hare's memey compiler backend is more potentially useful than hare ever will be tbh
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Kind of true, QBE has some merit (60-70% of the speed for 10% the effort in implementation) but it's between two niches:
- Super fast compilation, decent code: You use a copy-patch compilation algorithm, which is implemented by Cranelift, or other equivalents. Cranelift outputs better code than LLLVM -O0 while being a few order of magnitudes faster. Great for JITs, interpreted languages, etc.
- Super fast code: LLVM, basically what any serious language uses these days for AOT compilation.
QBE excels at neither.
There's not much market for anything inbetween. A good JIT would utilize both poles (LLVM for hot loops, Cranelift for ~mid code, interpretation for cold code). And since you're not the one writing the optimizer, arguments for using QBE over LLVM are mostly tangential and related to DX.
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there are other dimensions, though
for instance, i think it might be a neat complement/alternative to stuff like tcc if you're trying to make a sequence of compilers bootstrap each other
also its small size could be beneficial in certain scenarios because llvm certainly isn't an incredibly lightweight piece of software
that being said, qbe is a questionable backend choice to be used by a language as supposedly ambitious as hare
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Drew is a minimalism sperg. QBE is a small backend, Hare itself is kept small as well. That's what the "size of a 3 1/2 inch floppy" weird brag is there for on its front page. When you actually need performance on the level of LLVM in your hot code paths, I'm pretty sure the recommended solution is dropping down to assembly.
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and not even a good one since i see the draft language spec is already 100 pages (truly based minimalist languages have sub-100-page specs)
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That reminds me, r7rs-small was standardized over a decade ago
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r7rs-large whenThat reminds me, r7rs-small was standardized over a decade ago
(sub-100-pages is nice and all but it would be ideal if i could do <common task> the same way on any implementation)and then there's r5rs which is from 1998 and it's around 50 pages long
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Oh, I hadn't thought of that. Agreed.
Bootstrapping is very important, and a lot of the rules of "Good Software" doesn't apply there. Everything is okay as long as it keeps stuff simple and free of self-dependencies. I'm a Rust shill but I'd gladly use portable C or some other trivial language (like a trivial assembler-like language with Lisp syntax) to bootstrap my tools & even implement minimally viable bootstrap implementations for the languages I'm creating. Even though I'd never use these languages for anything serious unless I had to.
Minimalism has its use cases and so far it's really just for bootstrapping & trusting your whole system closure (in some places such as embedded devices used for national security, etc). For general software it's not that particularly useful.
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I went to https://sr.ht/, his website, and I couldn't find a single thing worth downloading. It's all just crappy TUI shit, or dot files. What's even the point?` Why did he even bother to make it..
No large, serious open source project is going to use sr.ht. The UI is really bad, and not professional at all. He went a bit too suckless with it.
No large, serious open source project is going to use sr.ht. The UI is really bad, and not professional at all. He went a bit too suckless with it.
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honeypot site that keeps retarded wheel reinventors from shitting up better forges like codeberg and savannah with their shitty neovim plugins and retarded rust terminal file managers
well he made temu cc(1) and he has to host it on a git forge somewhere, so naturally he made himself a wish.com version of gnu savannah, because hosting it on the real savannah would remind him of richard stallman, who is better than him in every way
i was originally going to make a joke about "haha this guy hasn't seen savannah" but imo even savannah looks better than the gay monospace black-and-white retardation that is sourcehut
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In pleasant news Cloudflare has decided to fund some wholesome open source projects such as Ladybrid and Omarchy.
https://blog.cloudflare.com/supporting-the-future-of-the-open-web/ (Archive)
But Drew disapproves...
https://drewdevault.com/2025/09/24/2025-09-24-Cloudflare-and-fascists.html (Archive)
Crimes include chastising those who grave dance on his enemies and opposing performative changes.
He also gets a jab in at his arch nemesis vaxry.
https://blog.cloudflare.com/supporting-the-future-of-the-open-web/ (Archive)
But Drew disapproves...
https://drewdevault.com/2025/09/24/2025-09-24-Cloudflare-and-fascists.html (Archive)
Crimes include chastising those who grave dance on his enemies and opposing performative changes.
He also gets a jab in at his arch nemesis vaxry.
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His inflationary usage of fascist is starting to resemble Tourette syndrome. 29 uses of fasc.* in two pages.
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no better time to slander people better off than you than step on ur gay lil soapbox and write WORDSWORDWORDS about how vile and evil and literally hitler xey are for having different opinions than you. it's obvious to everyone you'd have a bigger clitty leakage from watching a video of kling getting shot in the head by a brave transqxeen than your daily 4 hour futa loli goonsesh.