Dumb Shit on Wikipedia

[Sicko Hunter]

I wanted to clear something up when you go to an article on a person like say Marjorie Taylor Greene and it's listing off all the standard insults "X person has been described as a white nationalist, antisemite, conspiracy theorist" the reason why they have a ton of citations next to those claims is basically "YEP this has been fact checked chud!" right? Like they really want to let you know how agreed upon they are evil doo doo bad men right?

 

[General Emílio Médici]

I wanted to clear something up when you go to an article on a person like say Marjorie Taylor Greene and it's listing off all the standard insults "X person has been described as a white nationalist, antisemite, conspiracy theorist" the reason why they have a ton of citations next to those claims is basically "YEP this has been fact checked chud!" right? Like they really want to let you know how agreed upon they are evil doo doo bad men right?

Yep, it's basically the modern form of gish gallop. They just throw all these "trusted sources from experts" which are basically just the same words repeated verbatim by some j*urnalists over and over and act like it makes the argument real.

 

[Corpun]

Yep, it's basically the modern form of gish gallop. They just throw all these "trusted sources from experts" which are basically just the same words repeated verbatim by some j*urnalists over and over and act like it makes the argument real.

And don't forget that all said 'sources' cite eachother leading to a feedback loop where they basically affirm eachother. Especially when said loop somehow involves a blatantly partisan place like The Jacobin that doesn't even try to pretend to be neutral.

 

[Idiot Asshole]

Yep, it's basically the modern form of gish gallop. They just throw all these "trusted sources from experts" which are basically just the same words repeated verbatim by some j*urnalists over and over and act like it makes the argument real.

Here's one I found just today.
There's a shitty black metal band I like. This is what their Wikipedia page looked like half a year ago.


This is what it looks like now:

spoiler: the band is not actually neo-nazi
We should have a dick-measuring contest on how many citations one dubious claim has.

 

[Tootsie Bear]

Here's one I found just today.
There's a shitty black metal band I like. This is what their Wikipedia page looked like half a year ago.
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This is what it looks like now:
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spoiler: the band is not actually neo-nazi
We should have a dick-measuring contest on how many citations one dubious claim has.

Someone made an edit for Open iT, StoneToss employer, and cried he was a Nazi.

Needless to say it was edited to remove any mention of StoneToss.

 

[Corpun]

Here's one I found just today.
There's a shitty black metal band I like. This is what their Wikipedia page looked like half a year ago.
View attachment 5815155

This is what it looks like now:
View attachment 5815156
spoiler: the band is not actually neo-nazi
We should have a dick-measuring contest on how many citations one dubious claim has.

Yet, in a 2006 interview with Decibel, he stated that "Graveland is regarded as a NSBM band because of my political convictions, [which] most people would call extreme right-wing National Socialist convictions," and "people I played with were Satanists and they were not interested in paganism. Due to these differences, we finally started to walk separate ways and Graveland became [a] one-man band again. I understood that I could not support Satanism [because it] was a part of Judeo-Christian religion. In the Third Reich, Satanists would end [up] in gas chambers."[6]

This quote from almost 20 years ago seems to be the source of calling the band neo-nazi, but holy shit it is based even if the guy is a cringey pagan LARPer

 

[AnOminous]

spoiler: the band is not actually neo-nazi
We should have a dick-measuring contest on how many citations one dubious claim has.

God I hate this shit so much. It's like the more bullshit a claim is, the more cites it has, as if 12 cites to utterly worthless unreliable liars (usually all quoting the same piece of shit on Twitter or something) somehow add up to even ONE FUCKING CITE to an actual fact.

 

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God I hate this shit so much. It's like the more bullshit a claim is, the more cites it has, as if 12 cites to utterly worthless unreliable liars (usually all quoting the same piece of shit on Twitter or something) somehow add up to even ONE FUCKING CITE to an actual fact.

This happens even on non-Current Year articles too. Look at this bullshit that tries to assert the Chechens are descended from the Bronze Age Hurrians. Twelve fucking citations that are all either obviously biased sources like a fringe nationalist activist, sources taken out of context that don't actually prove that citation, and a century old source rambling about the "Hyperborean-Paleo-Asian tribe." I brought this shit up in this thread like a year ago, wondered if it was fixed when I looked again, and sure enough the only thing that was fixed is I'm pretty sure they added even more citations to make their nonsense look real.

Nobody will ever actually fix this because that would mean having a vested interest in the subject. Most people who do are either Chechen nationalists or actual academics, and the latter group knows Wikipedia is full of bullshit and have actual jobs that don't involve working through the insane Wikipedia bureaucracy.

 

[Teghern]

This happens even on non-Current Year articles too. Look at this bullshit that tries to assert the Chechens are descended from the Bronze Age Hurrians.

Caspian mountaineer goat-fuckers get whole sub sections of fawning academic debate whilst the real Hebrews get maligned as a pseudo-historical belief.
Wouldn't be that hard finding ""reliable"" sources to say Jesus really really did plant that tree at Camelot (Glastonbury) if it wouldn't get auto purged.

 

[a vending machine]

Wikipedia is a Democrat campaigning website. It's no different from r/politics.


Yeah Democrats are expanding voter rights which is why keep trying to remove Trump and even the green party from the ballot.





https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_United_States_presidential_election

 

[General Emílio Médici]

What did you expect from the site that despite being obsessed with the Holocaust as the founding myth of western neoliberalism somehow managed to make the Jan 6th Riot page longer than the one on the Shoa?

 

[a vending machine]

What did you expect from the site that despite being obsessed with the Holocaust as the founding myth of western neoliberalism somehow managed to make the Jan 6th Riot page longer than the one on the Shoa?

I think the Jan 6th page might be slightly longer than the 9/11 page.

 

[WhiteNight]

What did you expect from the site that despite being obsessed with the Holocaust as the founding myth of western neoliberalism somehow managed to make the Jan 6th Riot page longer than the one on the Shoa?

And it's not only this article. This one event where some hillbillies wandered about the Capitol for three hours has an entire library.

The navbox gives some idea of how much coverage Wikipedia provides:

There are also multiple infoboxes, similarly packed with links to other deceptive articles.

I also notice that they've now increased the death toll from the initial fake figure of 5 to 9:

As ever, they stretch sources to blame Brian Sicknick's death on the riot. But now they're throwing in four suicides, including a cop who killed himself over 6 months later, with no known connection. This is in addition to protesters who died in the DC area that day of natural causes who were nowhere near the Capitol.

Finally, I note that there is an infobox section "Methods":

These are mostly not "methods" but just a kitchen sink of attack words. For example, I don't see how "far-right terrorism" (which this was not) is a method.

 

[General Emílio Médici]

And it's not only this article. This one event where some hillbillies wandered about the Capitol for three hours has an entire library.

Holy fuck

They have gone so much deeper than I thought this is honestly insane. There is no saving wikipedia. How the hell do you even start trying to fix such massive widespread rot?

 

[BootlegPopeye]

Holy fuck

They have gone so much deeper than I thought this is honestly insane. There is no saving wikipedia. How the hell do you even start trying to fix such massive widespread rot?

Problem started from the top, at first I think Jimbo Wales thought the spergs who run the site was his only way to get free labor to write it, but eventually he got in bed with shady glow-op groups like Newsguard. I have little doubt there is some IRC room where they have an in house viewpoint enforced on various articles, possibly at the behest of the state.

 

[General Emílio Médici]

Problem started from the top, at first I think Jimbo Wales thought the spergs who run the site was his only way to get free labor to write it, but eventually he got in bed with shady glow-op groups like Newsguard. I have little doubt there is some IRC room where they have an in house viewpoint enforced on various articles, possibly at the behest of the state.

There was proof a while back that a unusually high amount of edits were coming from IP addresses from Washington D.C. but that has been "deboonked" and nowadays they mostly come from all over thanks to the effective PR of the globalist machine to get useful idiots to do it for free.

 

[Sicko Hunter]

As ever, they stretch sources to blame Brian Sicknick's death on the riot.

So let me see if I'm getting this straight, a cop with a clot in his artery who should not even been working a high stress job in the first place had a stroke which was partially caused by the stress from the Jan 6th riots and that somehow means he was murdered by the people at the capitol? Am I understanding this?

 

[WhiteNight]

Has anyone tallied a "kill count" for the 2020 BLM riots, which of course has to include all deaths from natural causes which might have been exacerbated by the stress of the riots, and all suicides of cops who had any engagement with BLM protesters anywhere?

 

[Sicko Hunter]

A small price to pay for racial justice in the United States my friend. Sacrifices have to be made when black men are being executed in the streets!

 

[General Emílio Médici]

Trying to even mention it makes it so you are banned from the site.

They have a extremely effective gatekeeping scheme going. Anyone who might ever want to correct a mistake or blatant retarded take on a article can have their edits just undone and account banned by jannies on the basis of them feeling like it.