Dumb Shit on Wikipedia

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https://kiwifarms.st/threads/one-womans-mission-to-rewrite-nazi-history-on-wikipedia.99854/

Article posted on A&N about new Wikisperg. Some boomer bitch from Commie Russia who religiously edits German articles from WW2.

User:K.e.coffman - Wikipedia

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Take a look at that list of hers.

User talk:K.e.coffman - Wikipedia

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Talk pages she's in are all pretty much boiling down to X isn't a reliable source, especially when it comes down to Soviet Warcrimes.

She mostly takes aim at sources that are classic wehraboo fap material, but anyone with any interest in history would know how to critically analyze a secondary source and figure out what's true, what's probably true, and what's bullshit exaggeration. Wikipedia is absolutely full of articles that do the same thing with unreliable sources, and is absolutely full of articles on comparatively minor, unimportant historical figures, but apparently if they're Nazis then it isn't okay.

And that's before you get to the garbage of "source laundering" you see on Wikipedia, where some commie idiot's Twitter post or blog is "unreliable" (since Wikipedia is allegedly neutral and unbiased) but when Buzzfeed or Vice writes an article with the commie idiot's Twitter post as a source, it is now acceptable. This includes books, like some college professor wrote a book about Gamergate or something where the majority of the sources are Twitter posts. This book is naturally used as a source on the Kiwifarms article where we see the usual "Kiwifarms encourages its users to literally murder people" allegations that cite a schizo named Sam Ambreen who has a thread here.

 

[JJLiautaud]

Nigger use a period

Because you asked so nicely, I went back and fixed it, faggot.

 

[Corpun]

Trump–Ukraine scandal - Wikipedia

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Autistic Wikibox plus playing a gay narrative plus not mentioning the actual cause of Trump's push, that being Biden's statement that is totally a conspiracy theory that got debunked.

They do mention some gay schizo theory about Ukraine helping the DNC in 2016, weird, I seem to remember Clinton claiming Ukraine helped Trump in that election as well.

The White House has corroborated several allegations raised by the whistleblower. A non-verbatim transcript of the Trump–Zelensky call confirmed that Trump requested investigations into Joe Biden and his son Hunter Biden, as well as a conspiracy theory involving a Democratic National Committee server, while repeatedly urging Zelensky to work with Giuliani and Barr on these matters.

Former acting chief of staff Mick Mulvaney said one reason why Trump withheld military aid to Ukraine was Ukrainian "corruption related to the DNC server", referring to a debunked theory that Ukrainians framed Russia for hacking into the DNC computer system.[14] Trump has also publicly urged Ukraine and China to investigate the Bidens.[15] The Trump administration's top diplomat to Ukraine, Bill Taylor, testified that he was told U.S. military aid to Ukraine and a Trump–Zelensky White House meeting were conditioned on Zelensky publicly announcing investigations into the Bidens and alleged Ukrainian interference in the 2016 U.S. elections.[16] U.S. ambassador to the European Union Gordon Sondland testified that he worked with Giuliani at Trump's "express direction" to arrange a quid pro quo with the Ukraine government.[17]

How dare a president try and hold our friendly nations accountable, especially when it comes to corruption relating to major political figures in the US!

 

[Oats12345]

From the article for Star Wars Holiday Special

Star Wars Holiday Special - Wikipedia

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Wikiheads can't help themselves...43 year old TV special? Can we shoehorn in a Trump burn somewhere?

How is that relevant? Just because Hamill mention it after the first 2020 presidential debate?

 

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How is that relevant? Just because Hamill mention it after the first 2020 presidential debate?

I used to respect Hamill until he felt the need to be a politisperg every possible moment.

 

[DoubleD]

"I know I'm a huge dork for saying this but this Wikipedia deletionist is now one of my heroes."

https://twitter.com/tqbf/status/1437145477389111296 (Archive)

Coffman finds her next target in the footnotes of the article about the tank division. This one’s name is Franz Kurowski, and he seems to pop up all over the place. Kurowski served in the Luftwaffe. After the war, he tried his hand at all sorts of popular writing, often with a pseudonym to match: Jason Meeker and Slade Cassidy for his crime fiction and westerns, Johanna Schulz and Gloria Mellina for his chick lit. But his accounts of the Second World War made him famous under his own name. Kurowski’s stories weren’t subtle. As the German historian Roman Töppel writes in a critical essay: “They depict war as a test of fate and partly as adventure. German war crimes are left out—much unlike allied war crimes.”

To understand this dubious chronicler better, Coffman goes to Google, where she comes upon a book called The Myth of the Eastern Front. It describes how, in the immediate aftermath of the war, characters like Kurowski worked to rehabilitate the image of the German army—to argue that a few genocidal apples had spoiled the barrel. With a guy like Hitler to pin the blame on, the rest was easy. The so-called “myth of the clean Wehrmacht” took root on both sides of the Atlantic: German society needed to believe that not everyone who wore a gray uniform was evil, and the Americans were courting every anti-Communist ally they could find. Then, in the mid-1990s, a museum exhibit cataloging the crimes of the Nazi-era military traveled throughout Germany. An odd situation emerged: Germans began to speak more honestly about the Wehrmacht than non-Germans did.

When Coffman reads this, something clicks. She is dealing with a poisonous tree here. She shouldn’t be throwing out individual pieces of fruit. She should be chopping it off at the trunk. She starts to pivot from history (the facts themselves) to historiography (the way they’re gathered). She begins to use Wikipedia to document the false historical narrative, and its purveyors, and then make the fight about dubious sources rather than specific articles.

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Why are people so stupid?

 

[BootlegPopeye]

The problem with the 'nazi medal' notability standard is that you can use that same argumentation for Medal of Honor winners. Many of their Wikipedia articles are pretty light on sourcing. Many are not that well-known outside of their Medal of Honor wins. Yes, they are the good guys, so maybe threadbare glorifying sources is OK then.

Note that that twitterer even admits that it isn't Nazi types that are doing the cataloging, it's military completionist types (that are derisively referred to as 'war nerds', I guess some kinds of nerds are bad now). Speaking as someone into militaria, alot of the best stuff on German veterans in the English language was produced in the 60s and 70s, long enough for wartime passions to have largely cooled, and for there to be general interest in military exploits from the German side. Many well-known major veterans were still living then too, and their recollections recorded.

None of it is "Nazi glorifying' though, but these sources were respectful of their service, which the modern idiot views as tantamount to justifying the Holocaust.

 

[Shaka Brah]

Why are people so stupid?

Toxoplasmosis probably.

 

[Corpun]

The problem with the 'nazi medal' notability standard is that you can use that same argumentation for Medal of Honor winners. Many of their Wikipedia articles are pretty light on sourcing. Many are not that well-known outside of their Medal of Honor wins. Yes, they are the good guys, so maybe threadbare glorifying sources is OK then.

Note that that twitterer even admits that it isn't Nazi types that are doing the cataloging, it's military completionist types (that are derisively referred to as 'war nerds', I guess some kinds of nerds are bad now). Speaking as someone into militaria, alot of the best stuff on German veterans in the English language was produced in the 60s and 70s, long enough for wartime passions to have largely cooled, and for there to be general interest in military exploits from the German side. Many well-known major veterans were still living then too, and their recollections recorded.

None of it is "Nazi glorifying' though, but these sources were respectful of their service, which the modern idiot views as tantamount to justifying the Holocaust.

Yeah, someone should start scrubbing Purple Heart recipient lists as I'm betting most of them aren't notable. You know, despite most of them probably having some incredibly notable distinction which is why they received the medal, in life or in death.

I mean if we are going to start calling soldier memoirs a non-source than we should be universal about it, right?

 

[AnOminous]

Why are people so stupid?

They want us to forget history so they can repeat it.

 

[Lucille Bluth]

A little late to the party, but I just out about the "Mordetwi" ship, which is the pairing of Mordecai from Regular Show and Twilight Sparkle from MLP: Friendship is Magic. Their "ship song", "Airplanes" by rapper B.o.B and Paramore singer Hayley Williams has this lovely picture in their page. I forgot that popular memes were deemed "worthy" on Wikipedia.

Airplanes (song) - Wikipedia

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[Maricón de Mierda]

I was reading the Wikipedia page for Fishes of the World, well known as the standard reference for fish systematics across the world, and decided to read about the world-renowned American ichthyologist Joseph S. Nelson, its author. His Wikipedia article is succinct, with all relevant information presented simply and without fanfare. It's brief and informative. But the sentence "Outside academia, Nelson was a black belt in karate." really struck me as extraneous. This was the only information not relevant to his career in fish systematics, the reason he is notable.

So, I followed the source cited, what was essentially an obituary by the university he worked for most of his life and indeed it does talk at surprising length about his karate career. Maybe it shouldn't be so surprising, since many obituaries also address the personal life behind the man. And then I wondered, if Wikipedia is committed to recording his karate hobby, why not be more specific? Not only was he a black belt in karate, he was a "a seventh degree karate instructor and he taught for years." Not only that, we know where he taught: at the "Jewish Community Centre."

When you write such an inane and irrelevant thing about a fish scientist like "Outside academia, Nelson was a black belt in karate," where should the line be drawn on specificity? If trannies' birth names are being disregarded as not notable, then why is unicycling and karate notable for academics?

Joseph S. Nelson - Wikipedia

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News Article - University of Alberta Museums - University of Alberta

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[AnOminous]

A little late to the party, but I just out about the "Mordetwi" ship, which is the pairing of Mordecai from Regular Show and Twilight Sparkle from MLP: Friendship is Magic. Their "ship song", "Airplanes" by rapper B.o.B and Paramore singer Hayley Williams has this lovely picture in their page. I forgot that popular memes were deemed "worthy" on Wikipedia.

Airplanes (song) - Wikipedia

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This is deemed notable on Wikipedia while there's a mad deletionist going around deleting historical figures from World War II.

 

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This is deemed notable on Wikipedia while there's a mad deletionist going around deleting historical figures from World War II.

I bet they'll come for Confederate States of America-related figures next, probably starting with military personnel because it somehow glorifies slavery and is racist. Like if you can delete an article on a guy who was a temporarily a Wehrmacht general, what's to stop them from deleting pages on any of these guys who were acting generals? You know that must chap the asses of some deletionists since some of those biographies are incredibly detailed even though the guy in question is totally obscure even to most Civil War obsessives.

 

[BootlegPopeye]

I really wonder what the reaction would be if they tried to apply that notability standard evenly (of course it doesn't apply to characters from Rick and Morty or My Little Pony) to Medal of Honor winners as I said earlier, but it may be the English language bias of Wikipedia showing because there will be at least some Google Book reference that Wikipedos can look up to at least have a basic biography on the MOH winners.

Notability should be obvious and it shouldn't be controversial, nor should it depend on the whim of whatever 'activist' has the most time to waste on camping pages.

 

[JJLiautaud]

I just dont get deletionist storage is so cheap, i just dont see the point to it. Anyways speaking of dumbasses forcing their views on a wiki project on wikipedia's sister project Wikitionary a couple of years ago some stupid cunt just deleted every frankish entry. Just unilaterally with no debate or discussion, power janny-ing at its finest. Heres a reddit link discussing the drama:

r/badlinguistics - Wiktionary editors deleted every single Frankish entry

1,245 votes and 136 comments so far on Reddit

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Seems autistic to get upset about but well linguistics ironically enough is an autstic discipline of science.

 

[Shaka Brah]

I just dont get deletionist storage is so cheap, i just dont see the point to it. Anyways speaking of dumbasses forcing their views on a wiki project on wikipedia's sister project Wikitionary a couple of years ago some stupid cunt just deleted every frankish entry. Just unilaterally with no debate or discussion, power janny-ing at its finest. Heres a reddit link discussing the drama:

r/badlinguistics - Wiktionary editors deleted every single Frankish entry

1,245 votes and 136 comments so far on Reddit

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Seems autistic to get upset about but well linguistics ironically enough is an autstic discipline of science.

If you erase someone's past, you can more easily control their future.

 

[Bad Take Crucifier]

I miss when 1984 was just a book. It's scary how all information being online is resulting in idiot leftists deleting everything they don't like.

 

[AnOminous]

I just dont get deletionist storage is so cheap, i just dont see the point to it.

Because it's allegedly an encyclopedia, not just a garbage dump for random bullshit.

 

[AprilRains]

Because it's allegedly an encyclopedia, not just a garbage dump for random bullshit.

and yet, this thread