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Dune’s Paul Atreides Should Be Non-Binary
Emmet Asher-Perrin
Thu Apr 16, 2020 12:00pm
If you have read Dune or watched any of its on-screen iterations, then you know all about Paul Atreides. The son of Duke Leto and Lady Jessica, trained in the Bene Gesserit ways, adopted by the fremen of Arrakis to become the legendary Muad’Dib. Paul is the culmination of a deeply unsettling eugenics program to create something called the Kwisatz Haderach, a being who can see into the future and project himself backwards and forwards in time.
And he could have been science fiction’s best known non-binary protagonist.

According to the plot of Dune, the Kwisatz Haderach had to be created via millennia of special breeding directives from the Bene Gesserit sisterhood. The all-female organization was working toward what all great shadowy organizations work toward—absolute power, namely their own puppet on the throne as emperor. Wrapped up in this desire was also a long-standing problem; spice offered the sisterhood some prescience and race memory, with the Reverend Mothers capable of looking back in time through the line of other sisters… but they could not access the male knowledge and experience in their past. It was believed that the Kwisatz Haderach would be able to look into their full history, both sides of their race memory, and also to see far into the future.
This figure was meant to arrive a generation after Paul—his mother was supposed to have a daughter who would wed the Harkonnen male heir, producing the Kwisatz Haderach. But Jessica went against the sisterhood, giving her partner Duke Leto the son he wanted, and somehow, this resulted in the fated figure appearing ahead of schedule. Paul took the water of life, a poison from the sandworms that the Reverend Mother is capable of changing, and learned of his destiny, saying:
“There is in each of us an ancient force that takes and an ancient force that gives. A man finds little difficulty facing that place within himself where the taking force dwells, but it’s almost impossible for him to see into the giving force without changing into something other than man. For a woman, the situation is reversed.”
According to Paul, he is the fulcrum between those two points, able to give without taking and take without giving. That is what makes him the Kwisatz Here’s the thing: The world of Dune is bound by an essentialist gender binary that doesn’t do the story many favors, despite its careful and often inspired worldbuilding. Aside from the fact that gender isn’t a binary, the insistence upon it isn’t a clever story juxtaposition that makes for great themes and plot. It’s an antiquated perspective that reads as out of place, especially in such a far-flung future. This is especially true when you couch maleness as a “taking” force and femaleness as a “giving” force. Men and women are not naturally those things because people overall are not that easily categorized—they are expected to be those things by society. Stating it as some form of spiritual truth, as Dune does, is an awkward declaration that only gets more awkward as time passes.
In addition, Dune is a story that spends much of its narrative currency on battles between binaries. They crop up everywhere in the book: the tension between the Bene Gesserit and the Mentats; the age-old feud between Houses Harkonnen and Atreides; the conditioning of Arrakis’ fremen forces against the conditioning of the Emperor’s sardaukar; the struggle between the ruling houses and the spacing guild. While there are countless groups vying for power, and the political complexities of that do not go unnoticed, Dune still dwells on that ‘A vs B’ dynamic in all the places where it really counts. Without these binary antagonisms, the tale wouldn’t function.
For a story so taken with binaries, there is something arresting about Paul balancing male and female aspects as an implicit factor to being the Kwisatz Haderach. The real confusion lies in the idea that the Kwisatz Haderach always had to be male, as though counterbalancing generations of Bene Gesserit sisters; if the figure is meant to be a fulcrum between those two specific genders, then their own gender should be insignificant. More importantly, if that is the nature of being the Kwisatz Haderach, then coming into that power should ultimately change one’s perception and person entirely. If you’re going to be the balancing point between dual genders, then why would you be solely either of those genders? Paul literally says that being able to do what he does changes him into “something other than man.” It doesn’t make him a woman, clearly, so what’s the alternative here?
It would have been a sharper assertion for Paul to have awoken into a different gender entirely, perhaps genderfluidity or even a lack of gender altogether. This wouldn’t have altered his key actions within the narrative, but it would have added another dimension to his journey. A non-binary protagonist for a story that obsesses over binary thinking would have been a stunning wrench to throw into the works. In many ways, it would have made more thematic sense than what Dune currently offers its readers.
While the upcoming film is unlikely to go that route, it’s tantalizing to think of the story that might have been, of all the possibilities contained therein. A story set in the future that accounted for the complexities of gender identity and how it might pertain to an awakening of consciousness and purpose. Even if Paul was the first person in their time period to consider non-binary gender, that would be a powerful statement that would shape their reality for centuries to come. Perhaps others would embrace non-binary identities to honor Muad’Dib, or it would become a sacred way of being, looked upon with religious fervor due to Paul’s importance. And there are further questions as to how that would have affected the sequels as well—would Leto II also have gone that route? He turns into a sandworm, you can’t tell me they’ve got clear and separated binary genders. They’re worms. In the sand. Try again.
In a story that turns on binaries, particularly as they pertain to gender, it would have changed the whole scheme to consider Paul as a non-binary protagonist. Moreover, it would have been fascinating to see how his perspective changed as a result of being that fulcrum, not just as it related to time, but as it related to people. While the story is quick to zero in on what Paul sees in the flow of time, his “terrible purpose” in putting humanity on the Golden Path, there is no consideration for how this shift in state might effect how he sees other humans. It’s a missed opportunity to really explore what absolute power would look like in a being who can project himself into the experiences of men and women equally. Would he understand his mother better than before? His sister?
It’s not the story that we have, but there will always be a part of my mind preoccupied with these possibilities. Because it’s fun, and because it’s intriguing, and because I will always wonder about what the world would look like if more people didn’t take the concept of binaries for granted.

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Want those enbies and genderfluids on the Big Screen, wokesters? How about adapting Ursula K. Le Guin's Hainish cycle instead? Though even the Gethenians weren't non-binary or genderfluid. If anything, they were genderless hermaphrodites, being able to become either sex during their Kemmer period (when they were in "heat". But I digress. Nah, that won't do, they need to latch on to something like the useless parasites they are, they can't seek out other works by themselves! Fucking hell.

I'm sure this will go very well, and totally won't end up confirming what we already knew: "enbies" are a bunch of attention whore faggot drama queens.

It's too complicated for them. Ancillary Justice might be more their speed.
 
Leto II wasn't "nonbinary", except in the sense that he no longer had male physical attributes. He still had urges for female companionship in a male/female emotional sense. That's why he had the Fish Speakers, as I recall. They were also called the Brides of Leto and filled that role.
 
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15. Partakes in the Freman orgy by the end of the first part of the book. He is 17 when he goes to war against the Emperor.

His kids take part in the Freman orgy even younger than that. I think.

Edit 2: found the correct ages.
The timeskip is longer than that, Alia is around five years old at the end which would make Paul twenty or so.
 
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Leto II wasn't "nonbinary", except in the sense that he no longer had male physical attributes. He still had urges for female companionship in a male/female emotional sense. That's why he had the Fish Speakers, as I recall. They were also called the Brides of Leto and filled that role.
yeah really they're kinda their own thing
a motivated writer could probably use Dune being back in the spotlight to make it more of a "if you thought that was interesting, here's some other ideas about gender and/or lack thereof" and use Dune as a positive jumping-off point
 
Paul literally says that being able to do what he does changes him into “something other than man.” It doesn’t make him a woman, clearly, so what’s the alternative here?
Motherfucker drank the fermented corpse of a worm and it caused him to be able to see the future. That's the fucking alternative.
 
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"The titty-skittles are for your own good, Muab'Dib."
 
The timeskip is longer than that, Alia is around five years old at the end which would make Paul twenty or so.

Damn it. I need to pay more attention

Motherfucker drank the fermented corpse of a worm and it caused him to be able to see the future. That's the fucking alternative.

It killed every other man that ever attempted it. No one is crying that the process is sexist are they?
 
Also, and understand it's been nearly forty years (!!!) since I read the Dune books, but didn't Leto II's sister suggest that she and Leto should have sex to try and breed a true K-H? And the only reason he resisted was that incest was such a taboo that they and their child would be considered abominations, and killed?

That doesn't sound like someone who's non-binary to me. Sounds like he wanted to bang his sister.

Aside, I am one of those rare people who loved the books and despite its flaws loves the Lynch film.
 
Also, and understand it's been nearly forty years (!!!) since I read the Dune books, but didn't Leto II's sister suggest that she and Leto should have sex to try and breed a true K-H? And the only reason he resisted was that incest was such a taboo that they and their child would be considered abominations, and killed?

That doesn't sound like someone who's non-binary to me. Sounds like he wanted to bang his sister.

Aside, I am one of those rare people who loved the books and despite its flaws loves the Lynch film.

They had access to all the Bene Gesserit memories and what went into breeding them. Incidentally it was incest.

I thought that it was just so they could get the Bene Gesserit to stop fucking with them because the Bene Gesserit asked the same of Paul, who also refused.
 
I'm always bothered when people say this: how do you show that someone is nonbinary? Will you make the protagonist of this sci-fi classic going around telling everyone about what pronouns to use and then throwing a tantrum if someone doesn't use them? Nonbinary means nothing, nobody acts completly "male" or completly "female".
 
Also, and understand it's been nearly forty years (!!!) since I read the Dune books, but didn't Leto II's sister suggest that she and Leto should have sex to try and breed a true K-H? And the only reason he resisted was that incest was such a taboo that they and their child would be considered abominations, and killed?

That doesn't sound like someone who's non-binary to me. Sounds like he wanted to bang his sister.

Aside, I am one of those rare people who loved the books and despite its flaws loves the Lynch film.

Can you honestly look at the people identifying as non-binary and say that they wouldn't bang their own sisters?
 
Ahh, yes, I’m sure a group of militant desert-hardened space Muslims would absolutely be willing to follow a troon leader.



Really, the whole article is just a smokescreen to allow this person to have their own headwank that people might actually respect his whiny ass.

They leave anyone who is even slightly weak to die alone in the desert. Hilarious to think they'd tolerate trannydom.

Moreover, in the Dune universe, humans are extremely resistant to advanced technology and have conservative views about breeding; it has to happen the natural way.

As spectacular as Lynch's Dune looked, it was a complete mess. I don't blame the studio for insisting that there be some form of coherent narrative to it, even if it had to be added by voicovers.

Also the large scale action scenes looked ridiculous and you can tell from watching it again that Lynch had little interest in them. Hence why you have Patrick Steward leading an army of obviously bewildered extras in a charge against the Sardukar with a pug under his arm.

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Sometimes it's better to think inside the box.

My favorite parts of the movie are where the actors clearly have no fucking clue what's going on. Jose Ferrer in particular.
 
I’ve always had a small problem with the books, as I recall hearing Herbert say that the book was about the superiority of non-western cultures (and I can kind of see it, considering how unbelievably powerful the Fremen are portrayed as). Frankly, I always found the non-fremen, non-Arrakis parts of the book more interesting.

Never heard that bit about the superiority of non-Western civilisation, but I see your point.
Although I would argue that the superiority of the Fremen comes from the fact that everybody in Dune is forced to use knives. Which also explains why Ginaz swordmasters ( Duncan Idaho ) are so prized ( Had to refresh my memory on that one )

I've always loved the descriptions of Caladan, especially in Dune: A Whisper of Caladan Seas ( A short story by Brian Herbert ). I mean,between a planet of sand and a planet of water, I take water. And Castel Caladan always seemed to be such a great place. Well, enough said.
 
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