EU Dutch farmers clog roads with tractors & machinery over climate change blame - Swamp German farmers have had enough... "Ruud, start up ze tractors"

WarJams · Oct 17, 2019

They did it again!?! The absolute madlads! I took notice of it the first time they did it at the beginning of the month. I am very glad it wasn't a one-off event if their own government continues to be a threat.

https://kiwifarms.st/threads/intere...-and-other-smaller-stories.12910/post-5407579

God's speed, you agrarian motherfuckers. Suffer not the feckless eurocrat.

The Final Troondown · Oct 17, 2019

>Cut domestic farm output to cut emissions
>Fly in surplus food from third world with zero standards on fertiliser
>????
>PROFIT

Gustav Schuchardt · Oct 17, 2019

A couple of years being forced to pull a plow like a bullock would probably cure urbanites of their gender dysphoria.

Noideawhattopick · Oct 17, 2019

Varg Did Nothing Wrong said:
@Rand /pol/ you've been doing a great job in this thread and I really appreciate it. All the responses have been legitimately thought-provoking and interesting.

Do you know just how much food is wasted on a daily basis across the world, between people throwing it out and it going bad at the store?

A friend of mine works for a big Supermarket chain as the Manager at his store.
He told me a fuckton of food gets thrown out, but most of that is allready sold.
It is in private households. Too much buying food instead of eating it.
The Market chains know about this but the eliminated "their" problem with this.

but there is a reason here: The Supermarket does not have that huge quantity of food to throw away anymore.
With observing what items usually get bought and which don't they eliminated the huge amounts they threw away beginning of the 2000's.

So what is a market to do?
- special discounts of certain items available for this one week.
- Then there are "end of week deals" from thursday to Saturday.
Of course they distinguish what items have to go on sale to be sold in large quantities without taking a financial loss.

So when we are talking huge amounts of food getting thrown away it does start at the farmer who produces, but he produces because someone is buying that amount, or even ordered a specific number of it.
I would assume a Farmer would not like to be the one taking a calculator and say: "i only produce for x amount of people, oherwise it's a waste"
i'm talking from Germanistan btw.

I agree with you that way too much food gets thrown away, if that was your intention.

Comicsgeist · Oct 17, 2019

Stoneheart said:
They dotn have any solutions and the farmers arent at fault here, they are just fullfilling the consumer demand for food.
sure the dutch grow alot of food (5 times what they need to feed themself!!!!), but if they wouldnt, somebody else would.

the government is also not considering other ways of reducing nitrogen, like deporting muslims.

The subsidies are a thorny issue, certiantly they could be streamlined and improved. For example, I'd like to see EU subsidies used to encourage farmers to add value to what they produce. Farmers would make more if encouraged to process the food they grow or rear, dairy farmers could become artisinal cheese makers for example and make a lot more money then the handful of cents they get per litre of milk.
Subsidies exist for two reasons really, the first is to support rural comunities in an attempt to avoid the countryside becoming a depopulated wasteland, maintaining a rural culture is important to ensure a balance to society IMO.
They are also important in terms of food security. The growing power of China for example is opening people's eyes to the real costs of globalism. Is it really a good idea to outsource your food production to a foreign power and hand them the ability to starve out your nation should you displease them?
The Common Agricultural Policy also subsidises the true cost of food to the consumer ensuring affordability, in many ways city slickers are bigger beneficiaries of subsidies then farmers, unless they feel they should pay tripple what they do now for a steak.
Sure you could outsource all your beef production to Brazil (there is currently murder in the EU over a deal with S. American nations to reduce tariffs on beef), Brazil can produce a pound of beef at a fraction of the cost to do so in Europe, but how much do you trust them?
Then there's the enviornmental costs outsourcing. Brazil can export cheap beef to you, by it's doing so by clearing the rainforrest for cattle ranches and shipping the product thousands of miles which incurrs a huge carbon footprint. Since people aren't going be switching to bugs any time soon, locally produced food is far more ecologically friendly then imports.

Revo · Oct 17, 2019

I didn't know that these anticlimatechange people really like communism.

TowinKarz · Oct 17, 2019

The Final Troondown said:
>Cut domestic farm output to cut emissions
>Fly in surplus food from third world with zero standards on fertiliser
>????
>PROFIT

This is why 99.9% of green legislation is a joke, it's self-flagellation.... by proxy..... by the ruling class. "Look how much we punish ourselves (well, those peons who can't pay the flagellation fee anyway) for being bad! Surely Gaia will notice and make the bad stuff go away!"

Webby's Boyfriend · Oct 17, 2019

The farmers should just let city dwellers starve to death.

Gustav Schuchardt said:
A couple of years being forced to pull a plow like a bullock would probably cure urbanites of their gender dysphoria.

Most troons are on some kind of tardbux anyways.

teriyakiburns · Oct 17, 2019

Noideawhattopick said:
A friend of mine works for a big Supermarket chain as the Manager at his store.
He told me a fuckton of food gets thrown out, but most of that is allready sold.
It is in private households. Too much buying food instead of eating it.
The Market chains know about this but the eliminated "their" problem with this.

but there is a reason here: The Supermarket does not have that huge quantity of food to throw away anymore.
With observing what items usually get bought and which don't they eliminated the huge amounts they threw away beginning of the 2000's.

So what is a market to do?
- special discounts of certain items available for this one week.
- Then there are "end of week deals" from thursday to Saturday.
Of course they distinguish what items have to go on sale to be sold in large quantities without taking a financial loss.

So when we are talking huge amounts of food getting thrown away it does start at the farmer who produces, but he produces because someone is bying that amount, or even ordered a specific number of it.
I would assume a Farmer would not like to be the one taking a calculator and say: "i only produce for x amount of people, oherwise it's a waste"
i'm talking from Germanistan btw.

I agree with you that way too much food gets thrown away, if that was your intention.

That's a relatively small part of the problem. Globally, between a quarter and a third of the food produced every year is lost due to lack of refrigeration and safe storage. Most of the loss takes place in less developed nations, where poor electrical supply and lack of general infrastructure means that it is difficult to get food to reliable storage before it rots. Developed nations need to be building roads and warehouses, but all the west does is give them "famine relief" that wrecks local agricultural production by flooding the market with free food, environmentalist lectures about sustainable energy, a raised demand for child prostitution, and piles of untraceable cash for dictators to buy guns.

Antipathy · Oct 17, 2019

Wake me when any politician anywhere starts talking about nuclear power. I'll vote for them, no questions asked.

Drive-by punster · Oct 17, 2019

Kinda makes all those pussy hats/blm/antifag look retarded.

User name: Required · Oct 17, 2019

Honka Honka Burning Love said:
Except these guys are protesting that they legit can't buy things that they have to buy to do their jobs, Part of the protests are over EU(Fucking of course) Regulations about Fertilizer use, this isn't a "IN TEN YEARS WE MIGHT DIE REEEE" this is a "You are taking away my ability to earn a living right fight now" thing.

To be fair, many farmers do overuse fertilizer, and it has a real impact on soil erosion and (as more people know) dead zones. But I also don’t know these EU regulations on fertilizers, and knowing the EU they probably hurt farmers without helping them solve this issue.

CharlesBarkley · Oct 17, 2019

To be fair in this left/right argument... blacks getting mad over an obese retard committing suicide by cop and a bunch of farmers getting mad about being pollution scapegoats... mmm...

Gonna say both are ok blocking the roads because only black neighborhoods and faggy Europeans are getting stalled or ruined. Therefore, both are good things.

fat ugly sped · Oct 17, 2019

"Everybody try to drive your shit to the same place at the same time" is guaranteed to cause massive amounts of gridlock and disruption. You don't even need to do anything else, just attempting to get that much metal in that kind of area will fuck things. Shame the tractors are too expensive to be able to abandon them en masse, that would fuck things for the Dutch for weeks.

Like, it's a really simple strategy. Drive your shit towards the target until you run into the inevitable gridlock. Get out, lock the doors, and continue on foot afterwards. Nobody is going nowhere, and moving that many vehicles to clear the roads is really goddamn hard.

Gustav Schuchardt · Oct 17, 2019

Power Word: YEET said:
Like, it's a really simple strategy. Drive your shit towards the target until you run into the inevitable gridlock. Get out, lock the doors, and continue on foot afterwards. Nobody is going nowhere, and moving that many vehicles to clear the roads is really goddamn hard.

Back in the 60's the student protestors would all phone somewhere and jam the exchanges. Allegedly this influenced the design of the GSM system in the late 80's where, since the base station is in control it's impossible for the phone user to use the phone to jam the system in a way that was possible with old circuit-switched exchanges.

Stoneheart · Oct 17, 2019

User name: Required said:
To be fair, many farmers do overuse fertilizer, and it has a real impact on soil erosion and (as more people know) dead zones. But I also don’t know these EU regulations on fertilizers, and knowing the EU they probably hurt farmers without helping them solve this issue.

The issue is to much pigshit.

Übertroon · Oct 17, 2019

Rand /pol/ said:
Wait so the fact the world may literally become unlivable for millions if not billions of people isn't a good reason to protest but some Swamp-nigger farmers going out of business is. TBH you all seem like disingenuous exceptional individuals who don't actually care about wether or not this protest is justified you just oppose it because "left wing bad".

Name a single European citizen who has lost his livelihood because of global warming. Meanwhile government legislation is in this very moment causing ruination for their citizens so that the climate cult can sleep happy

Niggernerd · Oct 17, 2019

Ahriman said:
I had to look up that footage, this is fucking brilliant

Doesn't have the Mad Max soundtrack blaring but holy shit it's so fitting, haha

needs more hell march

vertexwindi · Oct 20, 2019

To give a bit of context to this protest, the farmers in this country have been getting dicked around for a long time.. The exact rules vary by province, but in a nutshell farmers don't have the legal protection they would have in the US. Provinces, for example, have the power to buy any farm ground without farmers having a say in the matter and the government can't stop them from doing it. What got the farmers to stop bending over though was the recently implemented nitrogen measures, including the measure to cut all livestock farming in half, which obviously would have a significant impact on both our agriculture and economy as the Netherlands is one of the biggest global exporters of food. After the massive protests on the 14th at every public provincial house in the country, several provinces have already scrapped or changed the new nitrogen measures, so clearly the farmers are on to something here.

On the whole, support for the farmers was unanimously positive online despite the record-setting traffic jams. It helped that the farmers gave away free food and cleaned up their trash as an apology to anyone being affected by their traffic. Now it seems a bit more mixed after they rammed in that door at Groningen's provincial house, where the province shut down the house during open hours and brought in a whole bunch of cops, as there was some violence on both sides resulting in four arrests total. That upset a lot of Extinction Rebellion members (read: hippies, climate criers, Greta followers) because their protest last week in Amsterdam got broken up by police who arrested around 200 of them. Nobody cares though because climate criers are giant faggots who keep claiming that the farmer protests were total chaos and anarchy. The MSM here likes to pretend so too but the recordings people make and upload online clearly show otherwise.

Just a reminder that you don't fuck with the people who get you your food.

klingonbling · Oct 20, 2019

As for the americunt confusion about subsidies....
Your farmers get a ridiculous amount of them.....euro farmers get regulation from the eu (which is more strict), their own country (the netherlands has some of Europe's strictest) and in this case provincial.
Any subsidies these farmers would have gotten evaporated as soon as some Boomer decided to invent some rules.
This has been going on since the 90s at least.
And well, most dutchies respect their farmers enough to support them.
Especially since we all think our government sucks

EU Dutch farmers clog roads with tractors & machinery over climate change blame - Swamp German farmers have had enough... "Ruud, start up ze tractors"

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