Eclipse Phase - Or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Become a Post-Human Tranny

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So, I've seen a few other players and fans crop up on this forum, quite possibly the only thing about the members here that has surprised me given its subject matter and the developers, and I figured I'd make a (very crappy) OP about it.

So, for those unfamiliar with Eclipse Phase (or EP for short), its a tabletop roleplaying game based around a percentile system and with no classes. Setting-wise it takes place in the far-future of (mostly) the Solar System ten years on from an AI rebellion that was both triggered by and triggered the technological singularity. Roughly 90% of mankind died along with Earth, the refugees fleeing to what were at that point tiny little outposts all across the Sol system. To make matters worse, the AI (known collectively as the TITANS) weren't defeated but just disappeared one day, leaving all sorts of toys, booby-traps, and other human-killing things around. Now, mankind isn't doomed because in the aftermath of that disaster the various technologies that the elites on Earth had been hoarding mostly to themselves such as consciousness transference (known as resleeving in the game), cloning, and a wide array of other transhuman and posthuman technologies including gene editing, nanofabrication and nanotech in general got widely distributed across the remnants. You also have various uplifted species of animal such as cetaceans, various primates, pigs, and octopi, but despite everything they're still a very small minority, along with true AI that have strict shackles in place to prevent another snowball. And yes, all of those can be valid PC's, along with your basic transhuman.

Oh, and you know how I said mankind wasn't doomed up above? WRONG. Turns out that the Sniper from TF2 was right about someone always wanting someone else dead, and there's a lot of reasons for that in this case beyond mere resource constraints. See, when mankind split, we took our politics with us, and you've got everything from actual anarchists and their commune habs to full on murderous warmongers convinced the rest of transhumanity needs to be forcibly purged of weakness in case the TITANS come back. Throw in the corporotocracy of the Planetary Consortium that rules Mars and the ancapistan called Extropia in the main belt and you have lots of "fun" times. There's also various minor factions and criminal gangs, but I don't want to make my OP more of a documentary than it already is

Of course there's actual governments still with the Lunar-Lagrange Alliance that controls Luna, the Lagrange stations, and the stuff still in Earth orbit, the Morningstar Alliance that's a confederation of various Venusian aerostat habitats, and out rimward you have the Jovian Republic and the Titanian Commonwealth. The latter two are where the politics of the writers really show through, with the latter being Space Sweden meets Space Canada and Space Scotland, just with actual refugees who don't feel like integrating, but unlike in those actual nations where its free shit 24/7, when your primary means of social advancement is a social media score akin to that one planet from The Orville, turns out a bunch of refugees with minimal skills aren't getting a whole lot of likes, upvotes, or government assistance, which the writers just sort of gloss over sadly. The former is even more hilariously badly written, with the authors swinging wildly between them being akin to Paul Verhoeven's take on the Federation or a failed Space North Korea in the truest vein of SJW's not wanting to make their ideological foes a threat.

Now, with all that out of the way, who can you, the player character, be? Just about anything, really. Killbot-for-hire, dolphin oceanographer on Europa, and yes, tranny whatever. Fortunately the overall social dynamics of the setting can be summed up as "the SJW's got what they said they wanted and now everyone's too busy with their lives to give a shit about people's pronouns or what they've got between their legs or who they fuck", so you better have an actual personality to go with it.

So, any of the other Kiwis feel like chipping in?
 
It's pretty fun yeah. Got trannied to fuck in the new stuff where the devs reeeeeeee'd the fuck out about playing as ultimates.
 
It's pretty fun yeah. Got trannied to fuck in the new stuff where the devs reeeeeeee'd the fuck out about playing as ultimates.
The only good thing about 2e was the skill list getting trimmed down to something sane and reasonable. Although I hate that Robotics covers literally everything to do with robots but you have to split Medicine up into every single thing, at least by RAW. A few GM's I've had were amenable to houseruling that Medicine could cover the same things Robotics did for the obvious reason of skill point disparities once I talked to them though, thankfully.
 
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The only good thing about 2e was the skill list getting trimmed down to something sane and reasonable. Although I hate that Robotics covers literally everything to do with robots but you have to split Medicine up into every single thing, at least by RAW. A few GM's I've had were amenable to houseruling that Medicine could cover the same things Robotics did for the obvious reason of skill point disparities once I talked to them though, thankfully.
I think EP works best as a framework rather than going 100% off of what the devs have planned for it. Most fun I've had is with doing that.
 
I think EP works best as a framework rather than going 100% off of what the devs have planned for it. Most fun I've had is with doing that.
Oh, absolutely. None of my games were Firewall games or dealt with any existential crises. Sadly all my games ran into player drama of one sort or another before they could progress very much.
 
I like me some posthuman sci-fi, but the developers for this very much brought their baggage with them to the game.

-Most colonies are some flavor of anarchism, an-cap or an-com. They use facebook likes for money, which isn't at all subject to abuse or unfairness, just ask future-Pewdiepie how everything works great and never mind future-82134Randoguy2452 griping about only having his mom subbed to his channel.

-Side mentions are made here and there about people having ten dicks or a body made out of vaginas or inventing entirely new genitals because why not. I'm sure there'll be some people going all apeshit in making weird sex bodies once it's possible to do so, but I'm skeptical that they'll exist in sufficient numbers to be noteworthy.

-The people living around Jupiter aren't cool with much of the new tech, especially AIs and copying/downloading people. AI is really understandable given that they fucked everyone real bad, and downloading yourself into a new body is very much open to debate about whether it's still you on the other end, but these people are portrayed as antagonists in the game, a combination of rednecks and space North Korea, short-sighted luddites armed to the teeth.

-Despite having tech sort of on par with Star Trek replicators, and plenty of colonies that are all fuck capitalism, there is still a severe shortage of bodies available, and people stuck in mechanical bodies are second-class citizens, while people stuck entirely in VR with no bodies are basically slaves. On the one hand, people still being dicks to each other in a post-scarcity future seems perfectly realistic to me, but the setting really didn't explain in any compelling fashion why they didn't just print out enough new bodies for everyone in a weekend. Their nano-manufacturing technology was never shown to have any particular bottleneck that I could find in the books, so if they could print out a dining room in an hour they should be able to crank out robot bodies en masse for people.

-Developers declared that they didn't want people playing as Ultimates, an ethos of people who were basically ditching human form to optimize themselves as much as possible and wandering around doing their own thing, because they didn't want to "encourage fascism". The Ultimates are literally the opposite of fascists; they're hardcore individualists who are putting their own perfection above all else. All I can figure is that someone's train of thought was "human perfection > ubermensch > oh no nazis!" and they slept through school during their government class.

-Just as a side thing, they went around banning people who were supporting MRAs back a few years ago. Now, I have no idea why someone felt a random RPG company forum was a place to endorse mens rights in the first place, but just in general I find that people trying to suppress men sharing stories of abuse are not good people.
 
I genuinely don't get the ultimate=fascist 'argument'. Like those guys are the LAST people to be fascist. smh
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It's literally just the 'aaaahhhh ubermensch!!!' thing. Which means they A) Don't know what an Ubermensch is in terms of actual philosophical practice when it came to the Nazis and B) Sort of missed the boat already when they added the morph that was literally an evolutionary 'perfected' human being.

Also the Jupiterian dislike of the advanced tech making them the 'Bad guys' is genuinely fucking retarded. Like, full on, fucking retarded. What's the name of the goddammed game? Eclipse phase.
You know the part where a virus has entered a cell, but has yet to have an effect? You know what that's called?
The fucking title of the game implies that the Jovians are right about the whole shebang. The titans won, humanity is a network of diseased stacks, diseased computers and timebombs waiting to go off. They just haven't realised it yet.

Eclipse Phase is such a fun concept for a game, but they literally just go for lowest common denominator 'Hurr durrr everyone has massive cocks, lol.' Even Age of Wonders: Planetfall did the Eclipse Phase thing better with the Amazons, and those cunts were basically fetish bait.

And as @robobobo already said, the techbase they've got makes them out to be essentially post scarcity. They could all fuck off in a generation ship if they wanted to. The standard pods you use to change aspects of your morph can just as easily grow entirely new ones within hours, printing out basic robot bodies could be done by the million by someone with a weeks worth of time, access to an asteroid and a little bit of patience.
The worldbuilding is shoddy as fuck on that front. It establishes that physical goods are easily made from essentially nothing; and that the valuable stuff is intellectual properties, but then also expect there to be these roving anarchist habs everywhere. Rather than someone with the foresight to just park on an asteroid, offer bodies to the literal billions of digital refugees, and build himself a cheap army. Or leave the solar system entirely,.
 
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Doesn't change the fact that the game itself can be impressively fun with the right group, though. Nothing quite like your space pirate gang inciting mass violence between LLA indents and their Direct Action watchdogs all so you can smuggle a single package your client wanted out of the hab.

Unfortunately I'm a bit shy on the actual details of what we did other than setting up a couple false flag bombings and some mesh rumors since it was years ago and I was unfortunately hitting the bottle rather hard at that time.

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And as @robobobo already said, the techbase they've got makes them out to be essentially post scarcity. They could all fuck off in a generation ship if they wanted to. The standard pods you use to change aspects of your morph can just as easily grow entirely new ones within hours, printing out basic robot bodies could be done by the million by someone with a weeks worth of time, access to an asteroid and a little bit of patience.
The worldbuilding is shoddy as fuck on that front. It establishes that physical goods are easily made from essentially nothing; and that the valuable stuff is intellectual properties, but then also expect there to be these roving anarchist habs everywhere. Rather than someone with the foresight to just park on an asteroid, offer bodies to the literal billions of digital refugees, and build himself a cheap army. Or leave the solar system entirely,.
To fix that, you could use what Neal Stephenson in diamond age did.
nanofabs are a thing in the setting, but they need to be hooked up to the 'feed', which works sorta like an electrical grid but instead of electricity, it's stuff that's being sent to homes, factories, offices etc..
You should check it out, it's real cool but amusingly outdated, when it comes to the internet and all that
 
Yeah, that's actually a thing in Eclipse Phase. @Johann Schmidt is seriously underestimating the need for physical resources in Eclipse Phase. You need carbon for biological matter. Plus trace elements, plus whatever metals you need for the implants, plus power (which means fusion or fission), which means you need to get a working plant going and maintained so that needs resource input from somewhere, so there's a lot of actual infrastructure you need before you can do any industrial manufacturing, even with nanotech. Oh, and you need to do something about the hypercorp merc teams that are going to try and shut you down for flooding their market, so you're going to need weapons, soldiers, etc.

Asteroid mining is big fucking business since feedstock has to come from somewhere, and recycling doesn't add any new inputs there. Also, speaking of natural resources, its ironic that the Nordcucks and Leafcucks on Titan have a fossil-fuel boner to put Texas to shame. Turns out hydrocarbons are absolutely vital to technological development. Also, non-nanotech refining still exists, simply because for large-scale processing its much easier than pure nanotech, with fewer things going wrong, and you can always have the waste get scavenged by nanobots afterwards. I've always had a head-canon that the Jovians have the best non-nano technology out there, especially conventional medicine, simply because you cannot survive without tech in EP, especially around Jupiter and all of that ionizing radiation.
 
I've played quite a bit Eclipse Phase and including 2E recently and it's a good one in general. I just ignore the troon handwringing. Because there would literally be no troons. You'd just pick the body you want and you're done. (I still don't understand why trannies love transhumanism. Because it literally erases the label of troon if you can be whatever you want.) Random generation for the characters is basically the most interesting aspect of it imo and there's a lot of nice variance in the game Sci fi wise that it doesn't become stale.

Though, in our 2E run we unfortunately ran into a case of having to do PvP and that wasn't quite as fun. I feel at a tabletop if you descend into players killing each other instead of work together as intended, you've kinda lost the plot a little. And it's never a good time for anyone. Neither for the person having to do the killing and the character being killed.

2E streamlined a bit which is nice I suppose.
 
Eh, my main beef with 2e is the player economics. They've really doubled-down on the whole "go somewhere, do a thing, egocast out for your next mission" Firewall game type with those changes, whereas 1e had a lot more flexibility in that regard due to its more granularity. If you wanted to do something other than Firewall ops like have a home base, or hell, even run some sort of space business, you could do that in 1e with few changes to gameplay mechanics needed. 2e... good luck running space pirate ops when having a little more resources means you can afford a roll of grip tape a week.

That aside, the skill streamlining was a godsend, aside from them still wanting meatbody stuff to need nine hundred skills whereas synths still get to get by with just Robotics.
 
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