Ecofascism - An extreme or the ugly answer?

[Hide the Pain Sagman]

With the Corvid-19 and the meme of “Humans are the disease bro” even liberals (the same ones that demand open borders and cry about climate change) find that statement to be “ecofascist”. At this point, solutions are becoming obsolete because both parties cannot find a middle ground and are just exchanging rhetoric against each other. Since when has problem solving become so polarizing? Are we even trying to preserve the environment just for our futures, or are we becoming anti-human?

 

[Exigent Circumcisions]

If there's a point here somewhere I wish you'd make it.

 

[DumbDude42]

not anti-human, just anti-white

when you start looking at it a bit more, you'll quickly see that those anti-human talking points (antinatalism, radical environmentalism and veganism, "humans are the disease" type reasoning, etc.) are pretty much exclusively directed at white people. none of this shit has any foothold outside the west, and the people propagating it seem pretty content to keep it that way.

 

[Hide the Pain Sagman]

If there's a point here somewhere I wish you'd make it.

The point I’m trying to make: if population control is the answer to protect the environment or is it the same as infringing human rights? And if the likes of abortion and the death penalty fall under that category.

 

[Hazel Motes]

Find a better label. You can believe in the tenets of fascism, and I'll admit the pro-communal sense of fascism is rather pleasant, but to call yourself one in any forms is a dead end. Too much baggage. What's really different about eco-Fascism and Roger Scruton's view on the matter?

 

[No Exit]

The point I’m trying to make: if population control is the answer to protect the environment or is it the same as infringing human rights?

We have the means and the tech to protect and fix the environment a lot faster than depopulating would be. Anyone looking to kill people for the environment is a bigger fucking sped than you are.

 

[Exigent Circumcisions]

Why are the population control spergs always prime candidates for eugenics? There's a kind of poetry to it.

 

[Boris Blank's glass eye]

Why are the population control spergs always prime candidates for eugenics? There's a kind of poetry to it.

Same reason why the most fervent commies are mostly upper-middle class urbanites who'd be the first to be lined up and shot. Dumb people are attracted to dumb ideas like moths to a bug zapper.

 

[Watermelanin]

Population control will never be popular and isn't even generally advocated for in places where it's arguably needed (Africa and Asia).
Sensible environmental policy would consist of an embrace of modern farming methods/biotech to reduce encroachment on natural habitats, a shift to cleaner energy like nuclear and solar (in the right venues), and better waste management practices. An authoritarian regime would be able to implement this a lot faster than a liberal one, but the clock ain't ticking quite as fast as the hippies would have you believe.

 

[2138_1255]

...none of this shit has any foothold outside the west

...and the only place you ever hear about 'population control' is the "West", where birthrates have been below-replacement for decades.

prime candidates for eugenics

The original "progressives" of 100 years ago were all for eugenics and against "miscegenation".

 

[Lemmingwise]

Population control will never be popular

Population control is moderately popular when it's put in other packaging.

Feminism, transexuality, homosexuality, ambitious careers for women, computergames for men.


Some other ways:

 

[Watermelanin]

Population control is moderately popular when it's put in other packaging.
Feminism, transexuality, homosexuality, ambitious careers for women, computergames for men.

The attempt to make the idea popular does not make the idea popular. The establishment/powers-that-be certainly want the idea to be popular, but I can (anecdotally) say that the VAST majority of people want kids at some point in their life. Antinatalists are generally seen as either selfish or weird and MGTOW are just a fucking laughing stock. Various breeds of faggotry are probably the strongest move towards population control, but that's a can of worms in its own right. I'll refer you to my post in the "serious LGBT discussion" thread if you care to know my personal views on them.
Beyond that post: I think most people conscider that lifestyle to be an outlier and generally not one to be emulated.

 

[ProgKing of the North]

The attempt to make the idea popular does not make the idea popular. The establishment/powers-that-be certainly want the idea to be popular, but I can (anecdotally) say that the VAST majority of people want kids at some point in their life. Antinatalists are generally seen as either selfish or weird and MGTOW are just a fucking laughing stock. Various breeds of faggotry are probably the strongest move towards population control, but that's a can of worms in its own right. I'll refer you to my post in the "serious LGBT discussion" thread if you care to know my personal views on them.
Beyond that post: I think most people conscider that lifestyle to be an outlier and generally not one to be emulated.

I rated your post in the lgbt thread autistic because you like redheads, you fucking degenerate

 

[Jimjamflimflam]

I've commented on this in a thread about Micheal Moore dumb movie but population control is absolute key (along with cutting down on mass trading movement in globalization). However it's not the western world who needs it they are already breeding at below replacement level.

What needs to be done is to end the importing of Food to Third World countries (mostly Africa) and exporting of its people to the west.

These countries are already far beyond their carrying capacity but because NGOs keep bringing in food to feed them, they create more people who in turn need even more food to feed which just means more people. The cycle does not stop. Then what happens?Those people are then exported to Europe and America to bring cultural diversity*.


Cultural Diversity* mean greater labor pool to drive down wages, more consumers to sell to and cultural friction to prevent any banding together against the upper class.

 

[Lemmingwise]

The attempt to make the idea popular does not make the idea popular. The establishment/powers-that-be certainly want the idea to be popular, but I can (anecdotally) say that the VAST majority of people want kids at some point in their life. Antinatalists are generally seen as either selfish or weird and MGTOW are just a fucking laughing stock. Various breeds of faggotry are probably the strongest move towards population control, but that's a can of worms in its own right. I'll refer you to my post in the "serious LGBT discussion" thread if you care to know my personal views on them.
Beyond that post: I think most people conscider that lifestyle to be an outlier and generally not one to be emulated.

People that play D&D are seen as weird. So are videogamers or people that date online. Just because something is regarded as somewhat weird, doesn't mean it isn't popular.

And population control isn't just antinatalist. I was just pointing to some extreme forms of population control that are popular in their own right, just because they are packaged in a good tasting way.

I also think you might underestimate the absolute cannon of influence that has been shooting at us since the second world war with mass media. People's behaviour and views changed tremendously and not all of it is organic.

 

[Watermelanin]

I rated your post in the lgbt thread autistic because you like redheads, you fucking degenerate

Adam Smith even spoke about the superiority of Irish prostitutes in his most famous work: On the wealth of nations (page 130).
It is objectively true that fire crotch is best crotch.

 

[Lad3004]

Why call yourself an ecofascist when you can call yourself a homosexual and mean the same thing.

 

[Super-Chevy454]

Population control will never be popular and isn't even generally advocated for in places where it's arguably needed (Africa and Asia).

And if someone open his mouth to suggest population control in Africa, lots of folks will shout "racist".

 

[ApatheticViewer]

If were talking about population control thru euthanasia I guess that would probably be good for the environment.

However that is just a symptom of the problem. The real issue is corporations putting up factories all over the earth to profit off of the environment. Cutting down trees for profit and dumping oil then shaking there heads. Not to mention profiting off climate change denial. Its these people profiting off the degradation of the environment that's the problem.