UN Egypt calls for return of Rosetta Stone 200 years after it was deciphered - "The stone is a symbol of cultural violence, the stone is a symbol of cultural imperialism" says Egyptian archaeologist

CAIRO, Oct 5 (Reuters) - Prominent Egyptian archaeologists have renewed a call for the return of the Rosetta Stone from the British Museum to Egypt, 200 years after the deciphering of the slab unlocked the secrets of hieroglyphic script and marked the birth of Egyptology.

The archaeologists' online campaign has gathered 2,500 signatures so far and aims to "tell Egyptians what has been taken from them", said Monica Hanna, acting Dean of the College of Archaeology in the Egyptian city of Aswan.

The Rosetta Stone dates to 196 BC and was unearthed by Napoleon's army in northern Egypt in 1799. It became British property after Napoleon's defeat under the terms of the 1801 Treaty of Alexandria, along with other antiquities found by the French, and was shipped to Britain. It has been housed at the British Museum since 1802.

Bearing inscriptions of the same text in Hieroglyphs, Demotic and Ancient Greek, it was used by Frenchman Jean-Francois Champollion to decipher Hieroglyphs from 1822, opening up understanding of ancient Egyptian language and culture.

Egyptian archaeologists have called previously for its return, but are hoping that increasing moves by Western museums to return artefacts that were removed from countries under colonial rule will help their cause.

"I am sure all these objects eventually are going to be restituted because the ethical code of museums is changing, it's just a matter of when," said Hanna.

"The stone is a symbol of cultural violence, the stone is a symbol of cultural imperialism.

"So, restituting the stone is a symbol of changing things - that we're no longer in the 19th Century but we're working with an ethical code of the 21st Century."

A British Museum spokesperson said there had been no formal request from the Egyptian government for the return of the Rosetta Stone.

In an emailed statement the spokesperson noted that 28 stelae engraved with the same decree written by Egyptian priests had been discovered, starting with the Rosetta Stone in 1799, and that 21 remain in Egypt.

The museum is opening an exhibition entitled "Hieroglyphs: unlocking ancient Egypt" on Oct. 13 which sheds light on the role of the Rosetta Stone.

"The British Museum greatly values positive collaborations with colleagues across Egypt," the statement added.

Egypt says the return of artefacts helps boost its tourism sector, a crucial source of dollars for its struggling economy. It is due to open a large new museum near the Giza pyramids to showcase its most famous ancient Egyptian collections in the next few months.

"Egyptian antiquities are one of the most important tourism assets that Egypt possesses, which distinguish it from tourist destinations worldwide," Tourism Minister Ahmed Issa said last week at an event to mark the 200th anniversary of Egyptology.

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I'm not unsympathetic, but a few years ago they broke off King Tut's beard so their museum staff might not be up to the task of preserving this precious relic.

We're keeping Codex Sinaiticus, too.
Better a chip of it goes missing in the hands of the British than the ineviatble point in Egypt when some invading radical durka durkas take a sledge hammer to it and smash it to pieces.
 
Prominent Egyptian archaeologists have renewed a call for the return of the Rosetta Stone from the British Museum to Egypt, 200 years after the deciphering of the slab unlocked the secrets of hieroglyphic script and marked the birth of Egyptology.
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Well, there's your problem, Egypt. That place may as well be a black hole for valuable artifacts.
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Wasn't the stone being misused as like a brick or something for a military fort when it was "liberated" by the French or is that just a meme?
No, that actually was the case. It was used as fill stone and it was discovered by the French when they rebuilt said fort after taking it from the Egyptians.
The fort is a low, squat rectangular structure with a central blockhouse that overlooks the final few kilometres of the Nile before it joins the Mediterranean Sea. It was built around 1470 by the Mamluk Sultan Qait Bey, who also built the eponymous Citadel of Qaitbay in Alexandria. In 1516, Sultan Qansuh al-Ghuri reinforced it with a defensive wall. The fort subsequently fell into disrepair. The fort was built in part from stone looted from nearby ancient Egyptian sites; when Vivant Denon visited it in 1799, he noted that it was "constructed of parts of old buildings; and that several of the stones of the embrasures were of the fine free-stone of Upper Egypt, and still covered with hieroglyphics."

Discovery of the Rosetta Stone​

The French took possession of the dilapidated fort on 19 July 1799, only a few days before the Battle of Abukir, and embarked on a hasty rebuilding. It was subsequently reconstructed in a more thoroughgoing fashion and was renamed Fort Julien after Thomas Prosper Jullien. One of Napoleon's aides-de-camp, Lieutenant Pierre-François Bouchard, uncovered the famous Rosetta Stone at the fort while repairing its defences. Qait Bey's engineers had apparently brought it to the site from elsewhere, possibly a temple at nearby Sais, to use as fill. Two years later, the fort was captured by a combined British and Turkish force after a short siege and bombardment.
So, you know what, its safer in British hands than Egyptian ones.
 
I think it is theirs by right, but they should also honor Britain's role in Egyptology, and the deciphering of the language.
There is no reason why this couldn't be solved amicably, without using Buzzwords and accusing Britain, especially when it was known culture-thief Napoleon who took it. (seriously, the midget wanted to take all prominent artwork of the world to display it in Paris, he even planned to take the whole wall of Da Vinci's "Last Supper", and only leave the owners a shitty copy.)

I would make a copy and leave it with Britain, to be exhibited with a joint statement of cooperation and friendship between Britain and Egypt, promising future close relations in the field of Egyptology, then give the original to Cairo, and exhibit the same statement there.
 
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I'll give Egypt this much: the mullahs there usually don't talk much about wrecking 'pagan artifacts'. Supposedly, years back, there was one goatfucker who started talking up demolishing the pyramids.

He straight up vanished. I think the Egyptian government planted him, and I don't blame 'em.

But yeah, I'm not super eager to see a major historical artifact turned back over just yet.
 
You should have fought better at the time, shouldn't you? What is it about modern misunderstandings about warfare? War is Hell, it involves a lot of mass murder, and at the end the victor takes whatever the fuck they want. Get good at it, or get fucked. It's not that Might Makes Right, it's more that Might IS Right as there is no other force to oppose it. You can see that as a sad indictment of the human condition, or you can just take a look at Nature and realise it's the way the Universe turns.

You're lucky your trinkets are being looked after in Britain where our Upper Class near-worship archaeology. They are safer where they are than anywhere else on the planet.
 
"The stone is a symbol of cultural violence, the stone is a symbol of cultural imperialism.
Then WHY DO YOU FUCKING WANT IT? Just to fucking have another "old and bad!!" thing to fucking destroy? This is the exact kinda shit time and time again government agencies and "activists" the world over the last few years have used as their excuse to remove and destroy cultural monument type shit. I'm sorry a fucking discarded thousands of year old rock slab that preserved a shitload of languages and helped people grammatically understand ones that can't be spoken anymore is now by modern politics standards a symbol of cultural violence and imperialism, can't have people actually coming to a common understanding that's cultural appropriation or some shit. I'd be a lot less wary of the idea of returning the slab to egypt if they didn't use such blatant current year terms for this shit. They literally have museums dedicated to egypt history shit in egypt that their museums lease to other museums globally for exhibitions IIRC unless that changed which it'd make sense for the rosetta stone to be a part of, but then you got THIS shit latched onto it and it's absolutely transparent what the motivation is here.
 
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You should have fought better at the time, shouldn't you? What is it about modern misunderstandings about warfare? War is Hell, it involves a lot of mass murder, and at the end the victor takes whatever the fuck they want. Get good at it, or get fucked. It's not that Might Makes Right, it's more that Might IS Right as there is no other force to oppose it. You can see that as a sad indictment of the human condition, or you can just take a look at Nature and realise it's the way the Universe turns.

You're lucky your trinkets are being looked after in Britain where our Upper Class near-worship archaeology. They are safer where they are than anywhere else on the planet.
The Egyptians know might makes right. An archaeologist of the country cries about "imperialism" while at the same time their history goes like this::
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At the core of issue is just people whining "oh no we lost to these people or they stole from us". They are just sad losers crying that this period in history is not their time in the sun.
 
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Better a chip of it goes missing in the hands of the British than the ineviatble point in Egypt when some invading radical durka durkas take a sledge hammer to it and smash it to pieces.
Doesn't even need an invasion, their shitty museum staff are quite capable of smashing it themselves and then trying to stick it back together with a hot-glue gun and hoping nobody notices, just like they did with the mask of Tutankhamun a few years ago.
 
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