Science Einstein wrong, spooky action at distance is real - One step closer to the warp drive

I am admittedly trying to figure out what all they are talking about here, so I may be wrong. Feel free to correct me, but the basic gestalt I am gathering is that this test proves that photons can become entangled at a distance, and that the act of measuring them effects their behavior. Further, the "action" that occurs is transmitted through the quantum entanglement at a speed faster then light. In order to prove this they had to add the human element of "free will" into the procedure, as even a computerized random number generator would be manipulated by the phenomenon. Spooky stuff.

http://www.sci-news.com/physics/einsteins-principle-local-realism-big-bell-test-05998.html

Global Experiment Challenges Einstein’s Principle of Local Realism: BIG Bell Test

A Bell test, named for the Northern Irish physicist John Stewart Bell, is a randomized trial that compares observations against the philosophical worldview of local realism, in which the properties of the physical world are independent of our observation of them and no signal travels faster than light. On November 30, 2016, more than 100,000 people contributed to the so-called BIG Bell Test. Using internet-connected devices, volunteers generated more than 90 million binary choices, which were directed via a scalable web platform to 12 labs, where experiments tested local realism using photons, single atoms, atomic ensembles and superconducting devices. The results are reported in the journal Nature.

The BIG Bell Test was an incredibly challenging and ambitious project,” said Dr. Carlos Abellán, a researcher at the Institut de Ciencies Fotoniques at the Barcelona Institute of Science and Technology in Spain.

“It sounded impossibly difficult on day zero, but became a reality through the efforts of dozens of passionate scientists, science communicators, journalists and media, and especially the tens of thousands of people that contributed to the experiment during November 30, 2016.”

In a Bell test, pairs of entangled particles such as photons are generated and sent to different locations, where particle properties such as the photons’ colors or time of arrival are measured.

If the measurement results tend to agree, regardless of which properties we choose to measure, it implies something very surprising: either the measurement of one particle instantly affects the other particle (despite being far away), or even stranger, the properties never really existed, but rather were created by the measurement itself.

Either possibility contradicts local realism, Einstein’s worldview of a universe independent of our observations, in which no influence can travel faster than light.

The BIG Bell Test asked volunteers to choose the measurements, in order to close the so-called ‘freedom-of-choice loophole’ — the possibility that the particles themselves influence the choice of measurement. Such influence, if it existed, would invalidate the test; it would be like allowing students to write their own exam questions.

This loophole cannot be closed by choosing with dice or random number generators, because there is always the possibility that these physical systems are coordinated with the entangled particles.

Human choices introduce the element of free will, by which people can choose independently of whatever the particles might be doing.

The BIG Bell Test participants contributed unpredictable sequences of zeros and ones (bits) through an online video game.

The bits were routed to state-of-the-art experiments in Brisbane, Shanghai, Vienna, Rome, Munich, Zurich, Nice, Barcelona, Buenos Aires, Concepción Chile and Boulder Colorado, where they were used to set the angles of polarizers and other laboratory elements to determine how entangled particles were measured.

The participants contributed with 97,347,490 bits, making possible a strong test of local realism, as well as other experiments on realism in quantum mechanics.

The obtained results strongly disagree Einstein’s worldview, close the freedom-of-choice loophole for the first time, and demonstrate several new methods in the study of entanglement and local realism.

Each of the 12 labs carried out a different experiment, to test local realism in different physical systems and to test other concepts related to realism.

“Our team explores the Bell’s inequality with partial perfect randomness input,” said researchers from the CAS Center for Excellence and Synergetic Innovation Center in Quantum Information and Quantum Physics at the University of Science and Technology of China (CAS-USTC).

“Analyzing the random numbers contributed by the volunteers, we may find the human random number are not perfectly random, and tend to produce patterns. However, the human generated randomness is highly attractive because of the element of human free will.”

“True randomness, which is not controlled by hidden variables, exists in between the human choices. Remarkably, it is able to say how well the hidden variable would have to control the human choices.”

“This is made possible by using a special type of Bell inequality, the measurement dependent local (MDL) inequality.”

In the experiment, a 780 nm pump laser focused on a periodically poled potassium titanyl phosphate (PPKTP) crystal to create photon pairs at 1560 nm via spontaneous parametric down conversion. The down-converted photon pairs interfere at the polarizing beam splitter (PBS) in a Sagnac based setup to create entangled pairs.

The entangled state is adjusted to be a special non-maximum entangled state for the inequality.

“The photon pairs are then sent to two measurement stations that are 90 m away for measurement. This spatial separation makes sure the measurement in Alice’s lab will not affect that in Bob’s lab, and vice versa,” the scientists said.

“The random numbers contributed by the participants control the Pockels cell to set the measurement basis for each pair of photons.”

“The photons are finally detected with superconducting nanowire single-photon detectors.”

The violation of the MDL Bell inequality gives the bound of the input human randomness to rule out local realism. With around 80 Mb random numbers contributed by the volunteers, the MDL Bell inequality violation is decided to be l = 0.10 ± 0.05.

“Although there are numerous Bell test experiments, the ‘free will’ loophole is still not closed,” said Professor Jian-Wei Pan, a researcher at CAS-USTC.

“This experiment is a very interesting and important try. In the future, with the help of space station, one may close both ‘collapse locality’ and ‘free will’ loopholes in one experiment.”
 
Also I'm VERY skeptical about the suggestion that human free will is somehow above the physical (i.e. literally metaphysical). I'm not suggesting it absolutely cannot be, but this is an hypothesis to be proven, rather than an assumption to be taken for granted, or an axiom to be declared by fiat. This is too close to Sartre for my blood.

What I find interesting is that deeper we go into trying to understand the make up of the universe, the deeper the entire rabbit hole seems to get. The fact that we had to bring a metaphysical concept (free will) into a physics test to study the behavior of photons is rather terrifying when you think about it. We are studying a phenomenon that can spoof every mechanical tool at our disposal. Not just spoof it, but literally alter its very nature in a way that it is impossible to tell it was ever changed to begin with. I think calling this a "spooky" phenomenon does not do it justice. This does open up questions, such as is there really a barrier between physics and metaphysics. Are there physical and testable phenomenon surrounding things like consciousness, and free will? Is there actually a physical phenomenon that could be categorized as a soul? Questions that could have amazing/terrifying answers to them. At the very least this is sure to fuel some awesome science fiction.
 
Basically, that's the deal. By measuring the state one of the the entangled particles, you are in effect setting the state of the other entangled particle. And this can presumably occur instantaneously across any distance.

This is mindfuck voodoo shit. If nothing travels faster than light, how do the entangled particles communicate a state change to each other instantly? Over what medium?

Probably a form of quantum teleporation.
 
“Although there are numerous Bell test experiments, the ‘free will’ loophole is still not closed,” said Professor Jian-Wei Pan, a researcher at CAS-USTC.


“This experiment is a very interesting and important try. In the future, with the help of space station, one may close both ‘collapse locality’ and ‘free will’ loopholes in one experiment.”

Maybe, nope, possible, but how...oh..
You always have to read to the end....
 
Can someone smart explain how this test works? They make two photons, entangle them whatever that means, send them to different rooms, and then measure them both at the same time? Or do they measure one, note what it is, and then measure the other one, and the two get the same measurement, despite the fact that the distance and time between the two measurements means that they would have to communicate faster than the speed of light? And why would they have to be communicating with each other? Why couldn't they just be the same to begin with?
 
tl;dr: nothing big here. This is another experiment, in the long line of experiments, that helps clarify that there is no such thing as local hidden variables. This does not eliminate the idea of local hidden variables (we'd still need to decide if "human free will" is actually a thing or not), and it doesn't eliminate the concept of global hidden variables.

It's certainly the largest bell test we've conducted as a species, so that's pretty cool, but in the grand scheme of things all it does is help provide some more confidence that "spooky action at a distance" is real (something we've pretty much known for a while). It doesn't help us solve anything, like how that spooky action at a distance is supposed to work, but it's a cool experiment.

So ... ok then.
 
Can someone smart explain how this test works? They make two photons, entangle them whatever that means, send them to different rooms, and then measure them both at the same time? Or do they measure one, note what it is, and then measure the other one, and the two get the same measurement, despite the fact that the distance and time between the two measurements means that they would have to communicate faster than the speed of light? And why would they have to be communicating with each other? Why couldn't they just be the same to begin with?
here you go, I'm too tired to explain sorry.
basically it's sending information instantly between two particles no matter the distance
Should be noted you couldn't try this experiment with say photons because photons know when they're being watched.

If I wasn't so tired I could go into entanglement swapping
 
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FUCK YES
40K FANTASY DREAM HERE I COME!
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Is there any actual evidence that quantum states are affected by our observation of them? Is this something that can even be tested? Because it seems to me that another distinct possibility here is that our minds are simply not up to the task of adequately interpreting what we're looking at, with the obvious explanation being that reality at the quantum level is so alien to the way that our minds evolved to process information.

I'm certainly not suggesting that we be complacent in the face of uncertainty, and I welcome further investigation in these matters, but it seems to me that healthy skepticism is often lacking in discussions surrounding quantum mechanics, where even the most highly interpretative of conclusions will get blown out of proportion to the point where people start enthusiastically proclaiming that there has been a major paradigm shift in how we fundamentally understand reality.
 
Is there any actual evidence that quantum states are affected by our observation of them? Is this something that can even be tested? Because it seems to me that another distinct possibility here is that our minds are simply not up to the task of adequately interpreting what we're looking at, with the obvious explanation being that reality at the quantum level is so alien to the way that our minds evolved to process information.

I'm certainly not suggesting that we be complacent in the face of uncertainty, and I welcome further investigation in these matters, but it seems to me that healthy skepticism is often lacking in discussions surrounding quantum mechanics, where even the most highly interpretative of conclusions will get blown out of proportion to the point where people start enthusiastically proclaiming that there has been a major paradigm shift in how we fundamentally understand reality.
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/1998/02/980227055013.htm
https://physicsworld.com/a/do-atoms-going-through-a-double-slit-know-if-they-are-being-observed/
 
Holy shit! This is pretty cool if accurate. A faster then light communication? Does it mean that all photons are connected somehow? This is interesting!

Sort of. The faster-than-light communication only occurs between two photons which are entangled. For two photons which aren't entangled, then this faster-than-light interaction does not occur. Best analogy I can give is tugging on a piece of string-you only notice if you're holding both ends of the same string.

Don't bother asking what entanglement means, I never understood it myself.
 
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