UN El Salvador’s authoritarian president is becoming a regional role model - If its murder rate stays down, Mr Bukele's influence in the region will grow and this is dangerous for democracy and human rights

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In January Nayib Bukele, El Salvador’s president, carried out the latest of the eye-catching acts that have characterised his time in office. He inaugurated the “terrorist-confinement prison” on the plains near the San Vicente volcano in the centre of the country. Mr Bukele says it will hold 40,000 detainees, which will make it the largest prison in the world (and the most crowded in the Americas).

The president has a talent for getting his country of 6.3m people into global headlines. In 2020 he sent soldiers into the National Assembly to bully it into supporting his security budget. In 2021 El Salvador became the first country to make bitcoin legal tender. Mr Bukele’s theatrics and his policies have paid political dividends. His approval rating has not dropped below 75% since he took office in 2019. In February it reached 90%, the highest in Latin America.

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The biggest reason for this is a sharp drop in violence during Mr Bukele’s presidency. In 2015 El Salvador had the highest murder rate in the world, 106 per 100,000 people (see chart). Last year, according to the government’s figures, this had dropped to 7.8. That rate puts El Salvador on a par with the United States. In next-door Honduras it is 36. The “unprecedented reduction in crime” has contributed to “robust [economic] activity”, the imf noted recently. Tourism has recovered from the slump brought on by the pandemic: 2.5m tourists visited El Salvador in 2022, nearly the same number as in 2019. Lonely Planet, a guidebook publisher, lists the country as one of its top destinations for this year.

Politicians in nearby countries are studying Mr Bukele’s tactics. Zury Ríos, the front-runner in Guatemala’s presidential election, scheduled for June, has called his security policy “a model”. Costa Rica’s security minister has said the country should adopt it. Leaders outside El Salvador are experimenting with Mr Bukele’s methods rather than adopting them in full. But there is popular pressure to go further. That could imperil democracy and human rights in Central America and beyond.

Mr Bukele, who comes across as Hollywood’s idea of the hijacker of the president’s plane rather than the president himself, seems keen to export his style of government. In January El Salvador announced that it would open an office in Haiti to advise its government how to deal with the gangs that control much of the country. Mr Bukele’s associates have set up a political party in Guatemala with the same name and logo as his New Ideas party and have made an attempt, so far unsuccessful, to do the same in Costa Rica. If El Salvador’s murder rate stays down, his influence will grow. “If this proves sustainable, a lot of people all over Latin America will be looking to Bukele as a model to follow,” says Kevin Casas-Zamora, a former vice-president of Costa Rica who now leads idea, a think-tank based in Stockholm.

Mr Bukele’s growing soft power abroad is based on a ruthless exercise of hard power at home. Two gangs, Barrio 18 and ms-13, have terrorised Salvadoreans for years. Their main business is extortion. When the violence they caused was at its height, gdp was 16% lower than it would otherwise have been by one estimate. In March last year, after a weekend during which the gangs killed 87 people, Mr Bukele introduced a “state of exception” that allows police to arrest anyone without showing cause. Since then, he boasts, police have locked up 62,000 people, 2% of the adult population. This is the “largest dragnet” ever in Central America, a region given to harsh crackdowns on crime, according to the International Crisis Group, a think-tank based in Brussels.

The results have been dramatic. In Las Cañas, a neighbourhood of Ilopango, a town east of San Salvador, rival gangs used to clash near the football pitch that marked the border between their territories. Anyone passing could be hurt, says Álex Meléndez, a 37-year-old resident. He used to leave his job refurbishing houses at 4pm to get home before dusk. Since the round-ups carried out under Mr Bukele’s state of exception, Mr Meléndez has been able to stay out. His mother-in-law has opened a sweet shop. Youngsters play football late into the evening on the formerly contested pitch.

Salvadoreans are paying a high price for relative peace. El Faro, a digital newspaper, put it this way in a headline: “No gangs but no more democracy”. Yessenia, who works with young people in a Catholic church in Delgado, close to the capital, says youths are no longer scared of gangs and have new opportunities. But now they are frightened of the army and police who patrol the community. “They are always harassed by the authorities,” she says. Claudia Ortiz, an opposition lawmaker, says “there is a lot of collateral damage” from Mr Bukele’s offensive against crime. “And there is no plan for exiting the emergency.”

His crackdown on crime is enabled by one on lawful institutions that might get in his way. After intimidating the legislature he won control of it in elections in 2021. Soon after he sacked the attorney-general and judges on the Supreme Court, replacing them with loyalists who renew monthly his state of exception. He has threatened to sue independent media (including El Faro). He uses trolls to insult critics on social media and to try to get their accounts shut down. In a ranking of democracies by the Economist Intelligence Unit, our sister company, El Salvador fell further last year than all but three countries (Burkina Faso, Haiti and Russia). It classifies El Salvador’s government as a “hybrid regime”.

Among the services rendered by the new Supreme Court is permission for Mr Bukele to run for re-election next year, despite a constitutional term limit. He need not commit fraud to win it and to secure again a parliamentary majority. Voters still blame the two main opposition parties, which alternated in power from the end of the civil war in 1992, for misgoverning the country until Mr Bukele came along.

His governing project poses two dangers. The first is that it fails. Many Latin American governments, including past ones in El Salvador, have tried versions of Mr Bukele’s mano dura (iron fist) policies. All have failed, says Ivan Briscoe of Crisis Group. Guatemala’s Plan Escoba in 2004 used extrajudicial killings of gang members. The murder rate rose to record highs.

Mr Bukele, like his predecessors, started out by trying to strike deals with gangs. He refused to extradite 14 bosses to the United States and quietly let some out of prison. The crackdown came after relations deteriorated and killings jumped. For now his policy of removing people from the streets, and raising security forces’ pay so they don’t team up with the criminals, is working, though the violence began dropping before Mr Bukele became president. The government’s homicide numbers exclude some victims, such as gangsters who die in shoot-outs with police.

The dip in violence is unlikely to last. People who are wrongly locked up may be forced to join existing gangs in the terrorist-confinement jail to protect themselves. And new criminal networks may form, as has happened in other Latin American prisons. Despite the recovery of tourism and the reduction in violence, El Salvador’s economy is not yet growing fast enough to significantly reduce unemployment and poverty, which push young people towards gangs in the first place. “Education, the desire for status and so on has not changed,” says Mr Briscoe.

The second danger is that Mr Bukele succeeds, and that he becomes a role model in Central America and beyond. Central America’s only full-fledged dictator is Nicaragua’s Daniel Ortega, a 77-year-old leftist who overthrew a right-wing regime more than 40 years ago, then lost and regained power. Mr Bukele, a younger, cooler caudillo, is likely to have more appeal in a region that is disappointed with democracy.

In the Northern Triangle (El Salvador, Guatemala and Honduras) the democracies that formed in the 1990s after civil wars were mechanisms for sharing spoils between the political parties founded by the combatants. Poverty, violence and corruption have thwarted economic development and fostered crime. Since 2014 more than 2m people have emigrated from the area. Costa Rica, a more prosperous and stable democracy, suffers from political paralysis caused by the fragmentation of power among parties and the president’s frequent use of his veto power.

Latin Americans are increasingly willing to sacrifice democracy for security and prosperity. AmericasBarometer, a survey, reports that more than half would give up the right to vote if that would get them decent incomes and basic services. In 2021 half of Salvadoreans, the highest level in Latin America, said that in difficult times the president should be able to shut down the parliament. That is a rise of 33 percentage points from 2018. In neighbouring Guatemala 38% would accept that deal. In Guatemala and Honduras small groups have recently held demonstrations to demand Bukele-style rule.

Leaders in the region are trying some of his tactics, but wary of becoming his clones. In an effort to reduce extortion, in December Honduras’s left-leaning president, Xiomara Castro, declared a state of emergency that, like Mr Bukele’s, allows the police to jail suspects without charge. But her government has jailed fewer people and exempted some municipalities. Rodrigo Chaves, Costa Rica’s president, is under investigation by a parliamentary committee for allegations that he used trolls to harass journalists in the run-up to his election in 2022. Like Mr Bukele he fulminates against the opposition and the press, and rubbishes rather than seeking to reform institutions that he claims hold up progress. Yet Mr Chaves has ruled out adopting Mr Bukele’s security model. He pointedly declares that he loves democracy and supports the separation of powers.

The answer to democracy’s failings is to “to make democracy work better”, says Mr Casas-Zamora. At the moment, to many Salvadoreans and citizens of nearby countries, Mr Bukele’s authoritarianism seems more alluring.

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Latin America didn't go through the period of one-man rule most succesful civilizations did with the exception of possibly the Peruans/Bolivians, but it was cut short by the Spanish. We need to go back to monarchism.
S. America had peace and prosperity under Spain. Most of the nobility of the time simply switched the Inca for the King and their lives carried on the same. Tupac Amaru, who many people consider a figure of resistance against the Spaniards, was in fact a noble man who was loyal to the King, he only rebelled due to taxation, not against the crown. We got fucked after the Spaniards left.
 
Gotta say, I was a little bit skeptical initially that Bukele's gambit would work considering Mexico tried something similar in the mid-2000s and that ended catastrophically but so far he seems to be doing well. Good job Bukele and congratulations to the people of El Salvador on being able to live sans violent gang infestations for the first time in years.
S. America had peace and prosperity under Spain. Most of the nobility of the time simply switched the Inca for the King and their lives carried on the same. Tupac Amaru, who many people consider a figure of resistance against the Spaniards, was in fact a noble man who was loyal to the King, he only rebelled due to taxation, not against the crown. We got fucked after the Spaniards left.
Edited, I confused the two Tupac Amarus. That being said the one you speak of also wasn't particularly loyal to the Spanish considering he claimed to be the true ruler of the Incas and had a long history of "native pride".
 
Gotta say, I was a little bit skeptical initially that Bukele's gambit would work considering Mexico tried something similar in the mid-2000s and that ended catastrophically but so far he seems to be doing well. Good job Bukele and congratulations to the people of El Salvador on being able to live sans violent gang infestations for the first time in years.
I think Mexico is a different scenario given how rooted the cartels are within the Mexican society. But perhaps they could try again and then also sweep up any illegal immigrants as well.

Also have these journos not leanred anything from the past? Why was Hitler elected? It wasn't simply "hte great deperession" it was also street fights and the state didn't intervene. Let it go bad enough and people elect those that promise to end it
 
The people who complain the most don't even fucking live there

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This is a soft way that the western elites enforce their ideals. You'd be surprised how far a small western media shit storm goes to "changing" 3rd and 2nd world governments minds on stuff like this. Of course only to be used for the "correct" cause. That's the real reason they sit back while leftist strongmen and leftist private armies rampage, but freak the fuck out the moment it isn't someone from the left pushing failed leftist ideas. A leftist strongman killing or imprisoning thousands is merely a needed "price," but anyone else doing or causing the same, is just plain unacceptable.




Order is a prerequisite to civilization and all the fruits of the developed world. Law is what you define after order is established, and law is meant to be applied equally, but order comes first.

So what is order? Top down violence.
Simple as.

So very much this. It's why all of our post WW2 era efforts to nation build have failed. Pushed at every turn to "stop the fighting" and "end the war," to make matters even worse, political reality makes it impossible to enforce any kind of true political or social change. There's a reason we ran the defeated axis powers like puppet governments and societies for more than a decade after the war. But it's a mistake to assume it had anything to do with time. No! It was what we were doing. We made sure everything was in order and functioning. (and I don't just mean in terms of simple elections.. but everything) We ensured an entire generation grew up under the systems we put in place, the rules we dictated, the society, economy and government we rebuilt.
 
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all those comments say "remember (te acuerdas/acordás) when you (bad thing)"?

Most of them is killing, rape, or attempting to join a gang.

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"Remember when I had to abandon school only because I had to take a bus that was from a place of a rival gang? You took away my future."

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"Remember when you (plural you) cut my cousin's throat in front of my aunt when he went out to read his Bible to the courtyard at night and you left him there next to his Bible? Remember when you made my 13 yo friend disappear only because he talked to the girlfriend of one of your homeboys?"

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"Remember when, without anesthesia, with a chainsaw you cut my cousin's body only because he didn't want to join your gang? my aunt, who suffered so much over her mutilated son, died 8 days later after he buried her beloved son."

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"You all remember when you threatened me to go out with one of you and I had to leave college (bc) three times you tried to kidnap me, to the point I had to flee the country?"

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"Remember when you cold blood murdered my grandmother and my pregnant mom couldn't handle all that and because of that we also lost my baby sister?"

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"Remember w hen you killed my father five days before my confirmation? that day I asked for your day to come so hard I let to God's hands my revenge."

They all are like this.
After reading that I am retracting my statement about Bukele needing to build some refreshing showers for the inmates there. That death is too good for them. Someone send him a book of brutal execution methods from antiquity or the middle ages. Could you imagine how much more brutal we could make something like a brazen bull if we built it with all the knowledge we have now?
 
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Pick two:

* Brown people
* Peace
* Democracy
The issue is the cultures of the Romance world. Underclass wants strongmen to challenge the elite and the isolated elite get alienated from the rest of society and get brain rot from weird foreign ideas like 21st century western progressivism that barely apply to their own society.
 
Gotta say, I was a little bit skeptical initially that Bukele's gambit would work considering Mexico tried something similar in the mid-2000s and that ended catastrophically but so far he seems to be doing well. Good job Bukele and congratulations to the people of El Salvador on being able to live sans violent gang infestations for the first time in years.
The key difference is geography: El Salvador is far enough out of immediate American reach. As we saw with Operation Fast and Furious, the American government was actively funding and arming the Mexican cartels.
 
The issue is the cultures of the Romance world.

Spain and Italy are safe.

Underclass wants strongmen to challenge the elite and the isolated elite get alienated from the rest of society and get brain rot from weird foreign ideas like 21st century western progressivism that barely apply to their own society.

They're savages who aren't that far removed from people who resolved problems by smashing in each others' skulls and cooking each others' corpses for dinner. Either somebody puts a boot on their necks, or they'll be slashing each others' throats.

The key difference is geography: El Salvador is far enough out of immediate American reach. As we saw with Operation Fast and Furious, the American government was actively funding and arming the Mexican cartels.

Mexico's catastrophic drug war was a U.S.-backed operation. Like everything else, we half-assed it with little in the way of planning or objectives. There was an incoherent mix of "hearts and minds" and other bullshit that doesn't work. Then Obama came in and decided to use cartels as a proxy to destroy American red staters' gun rights.
 
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Ctrl+F "Mr Bukele" gives 23 results.
Ctrl+F "President Bukele" gives 0 results.

Reminds me of all those articles during the Trump presidency that referred to him as Mr Trump as well. It's such a childish thing to do literally denying reality itself.
I initially thought the same thing years back, but it's common practice to mention their title initially, then refer to them as Mr. <insert name>.

From the OP:
In January Nayib Bukele, El Salvador’s president

Here's an example with both Trump and Biden mentioned in yesterday's NYT. The first mention of both uses President, and subsequent mention uses Mr. for both.
 
S. America had peace and prosperity under Spain. Most of the nobility of the time simply switched the Inca for the King and their lives carried on the same. Tupac Amaru, who many people consider a figure of resistance against the Spaniards, was in fact a noble man who was loyal to the King, he only rebelled due to taxation, not against the crown. We got fucked after the Spaniards left.
We planned to have an Inca but republitardism took over. Real what if there.
 
Nooooo! You can't just pull your country back from "failed state" status by just ANY means! It has to involve rainbow flags and no jails or it doesn't count!!!!!

Indicating that they regard civil order and domestic tranquility to be trivialities and impediments to the reign of the false god called 'democracy.'
If you're not outraged, you're not paying attention! As the old trite bumper sticker says. The left fundamentally has a problem with a peaceful low-crime society built the "wrong" way (not to their ideals) but cannot be convinced one built to their ideals is failing, has failed, or even CAN fail, it can only be subverted by "wrong" ideas.

The important part is who drew the blueprints, not if what they call for can actually stand up.

Therefore, a racially homogenous neighborhood you can walk down the street in the middle of the night safely in is a greater threat than one where you'll be mugged 3 or 4 times by a series of different ethnically-diverse gangs.... because diversity is just better, okay?

Maybe it doesn't work in practice, but, only a racist doubts the theory!
 
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Goodness gracious, it's the Pinochet effect in action!

They aren't wrong about the possibility of over-policing bolstering gang numbers in prison...but the solution to this was already tried and found successful by one Augusto Pinochet.
Nah, pinochet was only about killing leftists, criminals were not on the list unless they happened to be leftists, and a few were since they could always get support from leftists politicians by claiming to be a victim, happens all over LATAM.

But I been to chile and the crime rate there was not great, not mexico-levels of violence but still high for our standards and even that of other safer LATAM countries.
Democracy in LatAm only leads to socialism. Seems to be a pattern. All those countries probably need to be ruled by a high caste mestizo or the child of immigrants (basically a foreigner).
Oh right like castro? like ortega? like chavez? Consider cuba's dictatorship alone has lasted more than every right-wing LATAM dictatorship combined.

Latino socialists are the most anti-freedom undemocratic shit there is, the moment they get in all democratic institutions go to shit and they become a nobility in anything but name.

The thing that kills me is that MS-13 members, and I assume this other gang, wear their gang affiliations on their fucking faces. Murder and rape is part of the process of joining the gangs and they'll kill anyone who gets the tats without earning them. Just having MS-13 tats, given their nature, should be a capital offense. But the Left love criminals almost as much as they love pitbulls and for the same reasons.
Most of these guys are beyond the pale, sure some might been forced to join but many more managed to escape or at least tried to, so the ones that did stay and became ranking members are not exactly poor little victims are they? Some might had not become the mass murderers they are now but odds are they were going to become criminals anyway, just more "polite" ones.
Why don't they better think of the children that got murdered by the gangs! Good lord, there's a facebook post with over 16000 comments of Salvadoreans saying what the maras did to them, some even had to leave their country because they were threatened with being killed or kidnapped for not joining them!
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What liberals are saying is "its okay these people are brutalized and forced to leave their land where they have been living in for centuries to come here with nothing and have to work the worst shittiest jobs there are for chump change or get deported back to hell because I need a cheap maid and nanny and don't want to pay a living wage for that"

God forbid salvadorans can put their country back together and make a place even their diaspora would want to return to, right? how dare they!
 
Nooooo! You can't just pull your country back from "failed state" status by just ANY means! It has to involve rainbow flags and no jails or it doesn't count!!!!!
Failed state is the elite’s preferred status for a lot of these countries. NGOs get full funding to further subvert the country, big business gets cheap labor, Democrats get cheap votes, and antiwhite radicals get a further browning of the country. There are so many Venn diagram overlaps that it is clearly intentional and beneficial to destabilize Latin America. They’ll never say they want these countries in continuous chaos* but like you pointed out, if the stabilization doesn’t promote trannies then it’s the wrong type of progress.

* - This continuous chaos/failed state idea is the strategy for the Middle East as well. There are no such things as coincidences.
 
Democracy in LatAm only leads to socialism. Seems to be a pattern. All those countries probably need to be ruled by a high caste mestizo or the child of immigrants (basically a foreigner).
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Not a fan, but he did believe in law and order, despite the corruption. There is a reason why Peruvians in general have a soft admiration for the Japanese.

Alas, he was the child of two immigrants, as was his wife. His children are second generation, they are more liberal and open minded.

FTR: Bukele's a kebab.

Latino socialists are the most anti-freedom undemocratic shit there is, the moment they get in all democratic institutions go to shit and they become a nobility in anything but name.
This happens everywhere. It's more like socialism attracts this type of people, arrogant morons who think they're entitled to rule and save the world from the evils of whatever enemy they made up. This is exactly what Gates and Schwab are doing. The socialism they embrace is more of a tool, despite they do believe in it.

Latin America collapses because the leaders aren't that smart. With a low IQ average, you're gonna have that expected socialist collapse in record time. Look at my former president Castillo: he was very stupid, probably sub 80 IQ, basic education, never held a real job... as soon as he took power he didn't even pretend to rule anything, he openly benefited friends, family, and held banquets for his people while openly and shamelessly hiring former terrorists, all while putting the worse people in charge and do nothing for the country's problems. All the other socialist presidents have better people around them or are smarter themselves, so they play the role better. Bolivia is on the edge of bankrupt, it took them 20 years because at least Evo Morales pretended to do some management of the country that wasn't completely fucked.
 
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@Tasty Tatty @cybertoaster I prefer to go with the academic theory of extractive institutions for why Latin American countries tend to be fucked up. It’s not just the socialists that become nobility, it has happens to everyone because Latin American countries were primarily developed to extract wealth back during the colonial period.

It’s very easy for Latin American governments to control vast and profitable industries either through nationalization or working with elites. Argentine cattle, Bolivian Lithium, Chilean copper, Mexican oil, Salvadoran coffee, Venezuelan oil. Or for almost every country; land rights. Governments control that resource and then dole it or profit from it out to allies.

Governments don’t give a shit about the people. Crime rises, cartels grow and work alongside the governments; democratic reform appears to be dead. And then commies or other dissidents come in promising the revolution to the poor. Governments clamp down on them and because they have vast power, they clamp down hard. They let up after a while or collapse, and the cycle begins again.

Bukele is at least clamping down on the gangs, taking them off the streets and bringing life back to El Salvador. But what’s his plan for the long term? He’s got everything set up to run El Salvador’s Porfiriato but is he going to set things up to avoid what happened at the end of the Porfiriato? Is he going to break the cycle?
 
Nah, pinochet was only about killing leftists, criminals were not on the list unless they happened to be leftists, and a few were since they could always get support from leftists politicians by claiming to be a victim, happens all over LATAM.

But I been to chile and the crime rate there was not great, not mexico-levels of violence but still high for our standards and even that of other safer LATAM countries.
I won't exactly disagree, but your explanation seems to understate the effect somewhat, which contradicts what I heard from accounts of people I know who went there during and shortly after Pinochet's rule: what Chileans told them was that a lot of commies disappearing also largely cleaned out the prisons in general, and thus a lot of other criminals disappeared at the same time which at least for a time that did quite well for the crime rate, at least long enough for regular people to notice.

These days, yeah, I'd bet the crime rate ain't so great anymore, Pinochet is a long way in rearview.
 
@Tasty Tatty @cybertoaster I prefer to go with the academic theory of extractive institutions for why Latin American countries tend to be fucked up. It’s not just the socialists that become nobility, it has happens to everyone because Latin American countries were primarily developed to extract wealth back during the colonial period.
This is not true. For starters, those countries weren't colonies. And most of that wealth was used to develop those places, building universities, roads, institutions. Britain stole more gold from Peru than what Spain took.

The intention for the independence wasn't to make us free, but to the political benefit of Britain, including our money and resources, making us indeed colonies, which we were not with Spain.
 
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