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Takayuki Yagami said:
Decided to go ahead and start a new playthrough with an astrologer. Does anyone have tips for dealing with invader npcs before you start getting really good spells? Haven’t bother getting past Margit yet and the scythe guy in roundtable just dodges all your spells.
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If you have 12 strength go to the mistwoods well and grind those claymen with spears. Their spears scale with int and shield poking is very effective. With that you can counter imps (not shield counters, those go above their heads- counter damage while you poke them mid attack) and go into those side dungeons with ease.

If you really like it, later you can slap on an Ash of War that's like the Winged Scythe called Loretta's Slash. That makes its damage rival that of an unbuffed Dark Moon Greatsword.

Oh, and use Rock Sling or get the bubble spell from that mistwoods well. NPC invaders don't understand a delayed launch so slow moving/delayed launch spells work wonders on them.
 
Takayuki Yagami said:
Decided to go ahead and start a new playthrough with an astrologer. Does anyone have tips for dealing with invader npcs before you start getting really good spells? Haven’t bother getting past Margit yet and the scythe guy in roundtable just dodges all your spells.
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The Floating Sword spells work well against invader NPC's.
 
Ruin said:
I know this isn't the Ethan Ralph thread but can I just saw that gunt's dedication to being an asshole is truly remarkable? You'd think after someone got their ass beat so badly they need reconstructive surgery they'd stop being a douche for a while but literally the second the hospital was legally allowed to discharge him he went right back to being a shit talking prick.

I don't know if it's the booze that makes him so arrogant and over confident but holy shit.
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He also streamed for like 8 hours instead of doing the right thing and going up to be with his babymama who’s water broke.
 
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I have to say he's really transitioning nicely. Just wish he chose a better NPC to become though.
 
Takayuki Yagami said:
Decided to go ahead and start a new playthrough with an astrologer. Does anyone have tips for dealing with invader npcs before you start getting really good spells? Haven’t bother getting past Margit yet and the scythe guy in roundtable just dodges all your spells.
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go and trigger the invasion summon and then spam rock sling. they read your inputs for attacks so they dodge almost everything but rock sling is delayed and therefore wins. If they get close use carian slicer before making distance again.
 
HodgePodgeRogerDodger said:
Omen is a being made by the Erdtree playing fuck wucky with the previous source of death and rebirth. Empyrean is just a female who can take Marika’s role as conduit.
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Nah the talisman you get from Omenkiller straight up tells you that Omens are evolutionary throwbacks. There's some other stuff about Misbegotten as well and you have to like look at them with your eyeballs but there's enough to conclude pretty certainly that they're the product of dragon hybrids.

Empyreans, according to Malenia's remembrance:
Miquella and Malenia are both the children of a single god. As such they are both Empyreans, but suffered afflictions from birth.
That's slightly ambiguous and doesn't rule out some broader definition (but I haven't seen anything pointing to that).
 
Ranni is also an Empyrean, but she's the daughter of Radagon (who we know is a also Marika) with Rennala who isn't a god of some sort, so maybe that also fulfills the criteria of "child of a single god"?
 
Ranni is also Melina though so there's something else going on there.
Renalla... makes eggs too? Maybe "mother" has a caveat there.

wtfNeedSignUp said:
Dark Souls had a lot of areas be self contained and the base story itself is simple. But having such a convoluted plot doesn't work when you get snippets of text, unless you have a huge amount of time to compile it all together (and that's assuming you don't miss any item that has a large implications to the lore).
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Yo that's the whole point.
It's a fashion sim/monster hacking game that knows plot doesn't matter more than gameplay, so the story is totally optional post-game content.

I've dug into enough of these games to know there's always central unknowns that require you to keep parallel interpretations in your head until you arrive at some core calculus. It's deliberately constructed puzzle.
 
Empyreans just sound like 'children of a god/gods' to me, but I don't remember much on that.

Also why the fuck is eating people so common in this game?

First you have the living jars which are more or less made of people goo in jars with magic- Alexander outright states he gains their strength if corpses are stuffed in him and his nephew takes it as a sign to man up so he can stuff the remains of his uncle into himself and gain his power. Rykard eats his most loyal subjects so he can gain their power, even eating his sword and using his digestive tract as a sheathe (could be symbolic, but probably just an excuse for him to get a sword.) Lady Tanith then eats his dead body after you kill him so she can 'bring him back' implying reincarnation through ingestion exists. The player eats dragon hearts to gain their powers as incantations and there's even cut content of a quest to get the mimic tear ashes by having it enter you and drinking a sacred tear. At this point I'm convinced between Marika and Radagon, one of them fucking ate the other, either to absorb Radagon's power to use it against the Greater Will or because that's how Radagon would 'keep an eye' on Marika because the consumption would make them one. ETA You also have meat dumplings which may or may not be people because they poison you, but they still heal you. Also Dung Eater isn't named for the fact he rapes corpses so hard he makes their crotch bleed and a weird physical curse grows from that spot, nah he eats poop and thus is named that because eating in this world is apparently very spiritual and important. To finish off my thoughts, there's also a nonzero chance the dogs and birds in Caelid got so big because of the corpses from the Shattering were so strong/defiled by crimson rot that they became massive and deformed.
 
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Gimmick Account said:
Nah the talisman you get from Omenkiller straight up tells you that Omens are evolutionary throwbacks. There's some other stuff about Misbegotten as well and you have to like look at them with your eyeballs but there's enough to conclude pretty certainly that they're the product of dragon hybrids.

Empyreans, according to Malenia's remembrance:
Miquella and Malenia are both the children of a single god. As such they are both Empyreans, but suffered afflictions from birth.
That's slightly ambiguous and doesn't rule out some broader definition (but I haven't seen anything pointing to that).
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The Omen's are related to the Crucible, which is never fully explained, but the Crucible Knights, the Misbegotten, and the Omens all reference it. It basically was what controlled death and rebirth before the Erdtree/ Elden Beast came down to the world. The Crucible Scale Talisman and where it's found implies that the Omens are partially influenced by the Crucible.

Empyreans sans Miquella, who is weird with his eternal youth and an might also be St. Trina, are all female. The Gloam Eyed Queen, Marika, Ranni, and Malenia are all female. Miquella might be one by default since Rodogon is Marika or became one with Marika.

Supposedly there's a lot of alchemy-related shit in elden ring. The Three and Two fingers are a reference to some Roman and early Christian stuff. Marika and Rodogan along with the the Beast are a reference to the Rebis.
 
Wodanaz said:
Doesn't have to be female. Miquella is the male twin of Malenia but he was eternally a child or some shit and kidnapped by Mohg.
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I still have no clue what goes on with the M/R thing. All I know is that only Ranni, Melania, and Miquella are Empyreans and all of them are female or very feminine. My assumption is that Miquella is one by default due to him being born of one being like Mitosis.

There’s a certain theme among each series of demigods. I don’t know quite what it is, but Godfrey’s kids/descendants never really take after him. Mohg played with his moms pads, Morgott wanted his mom to stop cucking dad, and Godwyn smells like his mom.

Renalla’s kids are all surrounded by very loyal people and all had some role in wanting Outer Gods to fuck off. Radhan stopped stars, Rykard got corrupted in his search to challenge the current order, and Ranni wants to replace the order so that fate doesn’t exist

The incest twins are odd. They’re genderswapped versions of their parents except Miquella has a ever youthful, ever elastic bussy. Melania seemed to be the biggest aggressor in the shattering and only got stopped because Radahn defended Caleid.
 
BeepBoopBeepBoop said:
The Omen's are related to the Crucible, which is never fully explained, but the Crucible Knights, the Misbegotten, and the Omens all reference it. It basically was what controlled death and rebirth before the Erdtree/ Elden Beast came down to the world. The Crucible Scale Talisman and where it's found implies that the Omens are partially influenced by the Crucible.
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A bunch of minor items reference the Primordial Crucible as well, I don't know if it controlled it but all life existed formlessly within it at some point and the Erdtree was derived from it as well. IIRC the embers in the Forge of the Giants are connected to it somehow (call me out if I'm wrong, I don't remember where I read that bit) and the Crucible Knights look a whole lot like those guys in Dark Souls 3 with the sigil on their chest (and there's a description about them deciding they needed to become giants to fight the dragons so that seems like a connection) so I think it's a link to Souls Flame shit.

HodgePodgeRogerDodger said:
There’s a certain theme among each series of demigods. I don’t know quite what it is, but Godfrey’s kids/descendants never really take after him.
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Makes sense if you interleave Godfrey and Placidusax's Remembrances. I just thought it was a fun possibility at first but now I'm like 90% convinced that Godfrey was the lord of dragons before taking human form.
There's a good suggestion (numen rune, "A DRAGON") that Marika might also have been a dragon so it's plausible that their kids would be genetic throwbacks who are more arch in personality.
 
Gimmick Account said:
A bunch of minor items reference the Primordial Crucible as well, I don't know if it controlled it but all life existed formlessly within it at some point and the Erdtree was derived from it as well. IIRC the embers in the Forge of the Giants are connected to it somehow (call me out if I'm wrong, I don't remember where I read that bit) and the Crucible Knights look a whole lot like those guys in Dark Souls 3 with the sigil on their chest (and there's a description about them deciding they needed to become giants to fight the dragons so that seems like a connection) so I think it's a link to Souls Flame shit.


Makes sense if you interleave Godfrey and Placidusax's Remembrances. I just thought it was a fun possibility at first but now I'm like 90% convinced that Godfrey was the lord of dragons before taking human form.
There's a good suggestion (numen rune, "A DRAGON") that Marika might also have been a dragon so it's plausible that their kids would be genetic throwbacks who are more arch in personality.
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I’m kinda waiting for someone to compare the Nip stuff to the English translation. They messed up the Ranni quest line translation so it way more confusing when she literally just wants people to control their own destiny rather than keeling over once the tree is done with them.
 
Yeah I'll do that myself eventually, I don't trust other people to pick apart kanji. I've already identified a couple things that come down to specific word choice, like the fingers once being "orators" which conflicts with another text.
 
Gimmick Account said:
Ranni is also Melina though so there's something else going on there.
Renalla... makes eggs too? Maybe "mother" has a caveat there.


Yo that's the whole point.
It's a fashion sim/monster hacking game that knows plot doesn't matter more than gameplay, so the story is totally optional post-game content.

I've dug into enough of these games to know there's always central unknowns that require you to keep parallel interpretations in your head until you arrive at some core calculus. It's deliberately constructed puzzle.
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Do we know definitively that Ranni = Melina though? In the game Melina's model is listed as child of Marika. I know that the two are tied in some way though, given that they both talk to you about Torrent and both have the opposite eye closed, but I haven't seen anything to indicate that they're one in the same. That being said, I wouldn't be surprised, in the setting there seems to be a theme regarding duality in regards to characters. For example, Markia and Radagon being the same person, but seemingly opposed in regards to the shattering (though I could be wrong on that), Morgott being Margit all along, and being a hardcore devotee of the golden order, but his twin Mohg going totally against the order and into the service of another outer god.

Edit because I'm retarded: Mohg also has another version you can fight called Mohg the omen, so another similarity to his brother
 
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asr said:
Do we know definitively that Ranni = Melina though?
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Already discussed but the ghost face not matching her real face while fitting M exactly and the two tattoos fitting together perfectly when you do so seems pretty definitive. There are more coincidences but I won't list em.
Marika is Radagon so she's Ranni's mother either way.

There's no conflict with her motives either since she's pretty reluctant to share the Stars ending unless you turbo simp, so Melina might be the aspect she uses to loyally carry out her mission for Marika while she pursues her own goal as Ranni, or something. But Melina's face is probably her current actual appearance; the doll is based on her Snow Witch mentor, so it's just a matter of names.
 
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