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Omen also are driven mad due to the pain their horns cause, reducing them to barley sentient murder machines. Oh, and their connection to Godfrey, somehow.
No, you are confusing things, it is the removel of the horns done by the Golden Order that drive them mad. Morgot and Mogh are not insane for this reason, they didn't had their horns removed. All this is done to the Omens because the Hornsent were Marika's people oppressors and pretty brutal at that and as such when Marika created her "perfect" death free order, she also made so that any aspects of the crucible were demonized because the Hornsent considered it divine.
Dark Souls: Male patriarchal leaders sacrifices themselves to an aeons of torment to make sure the good times last for their children.
Elden Ring: Female matriarchal leaders follow idiot god and engage in retarded court politics making the entire world a hellscape and killing/corrupting all their children.
Gwyn going against nature was never portrayed positively, even in DS1, it is show that him and the Witch of Izalith attempts at prolonging the age of fire artificially only corrupted things and created more suffering. The Dark Souls series hammers in that all things come to an end eventually and that accepting this fact is how one properly copes with it and that trying to prolongue something artificially only leaves it hollow and meaningless.
 
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Alright, I guess it's time for me try my luck again with another build. I'm trying to be mean on this run. Working background for the character, without going turbo autistic, is someone who has a bone to pick with the Golden Order with ties to the Wandering Merchants. I'm looking for dex/ bleed, low magic; so low faith with some intelligence. If anyone has tried double wielding whips, that'd be ideal as I'm trying to get Urumi ASAP; the end goal is to beat Messmer's ass with the Tooth Whip.
 
>zanzibartnigger threadshitter from /v/ is also a DS lorelet
Pottery. All the turd worlder is missing is the autistic screeching about DS2 being le best and spamming "rollslop" to get double bingo on the /v/irgin soulsfag chart.
 
Are Omen connected to Godfrey? I thought that the only Omen related to him were his kids Mohg and Morgott. The other thing that connects him to them are his Crucible Knights, but I don't think they were Omens, just ardent Crucible worshippers.
The omen, the Primordial crucible, and Godfrey were connected, but that plot never went anywhere and the dlc didn't do anything with it.

Morgot and Mogh are not insane for this reason, they didn't had their horns removed.
They didn't have their horns removed because they were demi-gods. Omen that came from elite families were banished to the sewers and kept out of sight instead of having their horns removed as well.

Omen are said to be in pain due to their horns covering their body. Perfumer Rollo went out and tried to find a way to ease or stop their pain, couldn't find one, then looked for a way to kill his emotions because he came to the conclusion that the only way to help them was to end them.
 
>zanzibartnigger threadshitter from /v/ is also a DS lorelet
Pottery. All the turd worlder is missing is the autistic screeching about DS2 being le best and spamming "rollslop" to get double bingo on the /v/irgin soulsfag chart.
You are still seething from the Dark Souls thread, stop shiting threads because you are an insecure loser lmao.

Omen are said to be in pain due to their horns covering their body. Perfumer Rollo went out and tried to find a way to ease or stop their pain, couldn't find one, then looked for a way to kill his emotions because he came to the conclusion that the only way to help them was to end them.
Are you sure? Because the Hornsent don't have pain from their horns. Maybe the post Marika omen are different?
 
Speaking of, the zanzibartnigger threadshitter from /v/ over here who is busy projecting was having a meltdown screeching about Bloodborne in the other thread.
To the point where he got so butthurt that he made a sockpuppet to like his own posts :story: course the retard ran away as soon the blatant socking got brought up.

But the schizoid retard can't help himself and instantly does the same thing with the same exact sock here. Proving yet again that only turd worlders with room temp IQ post on 4chins. :story:
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This threadshitting faggot is literally just here to push the same garbage spammed on /v/. His first post on ER was quoting a macro zanzibartniggers like him have been spamming on /v/..
 
Speaking of, the zanzibartnigger threadshitter from /v/ over here who is busy projecting was having a meltdown screeching about Bloodborne in the other thread.
To the point where he got so butthurt that he made a sockpuppet to like his own posts :story: course the retard ran away as soon the blatant socking got brought up.

But the schizoid retard can't help himself and instantly does the same thing with the same exact sock here. Proving yet again that only turd worlders with room temp IQ post on 4chins. :story:
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This threadshitting faggot is literally just here to push the same garbage spammed on /v/. His first post on ER was quoting a macro zanzibartniggers like him have been spamming on /v/..
You are shiting another thread, you are complete ass mad that I don't like Bloodborne. Raging Capybara also negrated you, is he also my sock? You are delusional man. Your posts just suck.
 
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I thought the context provided made her make more sense, her entire village was wiped out and she was traumatized, and through discovering the golden light and the Fingers set about creating a world where no one has to die.
So then with the help of the Fingers she abandons her doubt, vacillation, love, etc like Miquella does, becomes kind of crazy. She convinces the Hornsent to help her build the Gate of Divinity so she can become a god.
She then banishes Mohg and Morgott once they're born cursed by the Hornsent.
Honestly I think the biggest point of contention is whether she had any involvement in the Night of the Black Knives, and if so why would she.
I never liked explanations containing going crazy. The whole abandoning yourself is classic "become emotionless psycho". But Marika just seems to do random shit.
 
Alright, I guess it's time for me try my luck again with another build. I'm trying to be mean on this run. Working background for the character, without going turbo autistic, is someone who has a bone to pick with the Golden Order with ties to the Wandering Merchants. I'm looking for dex/ bleed, low magic; so low faith with some intelligence. If anyone has tried double wielding whips, that'd be ideal as I'm trying to get Urumi ASAP; the end goal is to beat Messmer's ass with the Tooth Whip.
Two whips is viable. I recommend watching this video:
I never liked explanations containing going crazy. The whole abandoning yourself is classic "become emotionless psycho". But Marika just seems to do random shit.
I mean the reason she shattered the Elden Ring is because she was striken by grief over his son dying and her "death-free" order falling
 
Speaking of, the zanzibartnigger threadshitter from /v/ over here who is busy projecting was having a meltdown screeching about Bloodborne in the other thread.
To the point where he got so butthurt that he made a sockpuppet to like his own posts :story: course the retard ran away as soon the blatant socking got brought up.

But the schizoid retard can't help himself and instantly does the same thing with the same exact sock here. Proving yet again that only turd worlders with room temp IQ post on 4chins. :story:
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This threadshitting faggot is literally just here to push the same garbage spammed on /v/. His first post on ER was quoting a macro zanzibartniggers like him have been spamming on /v/..
Whatever you are accusing this guy of doing is actually less autistic than rambling about "zanzibartniggers" on /v/. What the fuck is this shit?
 
I'm very surprised so many have already finished the DLC. I feel like I've only finished like 30-40% of it, at most (!).

I also try to avoid spoilers like the plague, but it's difficult when I visit threads like these to post these meaningless posts.

Love you guys.
 
Whatever you are accusing this guy of doing is actually less autistic than rambling about "zanzibartniggers" on /v/. What the fuck is this shit?
He is really mad because I talked shit about Bloodborne and talked negatively about modern FromSoft in the Synthetic man thread. He believes I am a /v/ tourist that has come here to specifically shit on modern souls. The problem with that is: I have never used 4chan and my first posts were in the Lucas gage thread, which made me finally register after lurking for a while.

He then accused me of using socks to negrate him but the account he is pointing to is active in completely different threads from ones I use:
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It is best to ignore him, he clearly wants attention
 
Speaking of, the zanzibartnigger threadshitter from /v/ over here who is busy projecting was having a meltdown screeching about Bloodborne in the other thread.
To the point where he got so butthurt that he made a sockpuppet to like his own posts :story: course the retard ran away as soon the blatant socking got brought up.

But the schizoid retard can't help himself and instantly does the same thing with the same exact sock here. Proving yet again that only turd worlders with room temp IQ post on 4chins. :story:
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This threadshitting faggot is literally just here to push the same garbage spammed on /v/. His first post on ER was quoting a macro zanzibartniggers like him have been spamming on /v/..
He is really mad because I talked shit about Bloodborne and talked negatively about modern FromSoft in the Synthetic man thread. He believes I am a /v/ tourist that has come here to specifically shit on modern souls. The problem with that is: I have never used 4chan and my first posts were in the Lucas gage thread, which made me finally register after lurking for a while.

He then accused me of using socks to negrate him but the account he is pointing to is active in completely different threads from ones I use:
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It is best to ignore him, he clearly wants attention
You two are total coal faggots but the BB person writes like a 4sissy all the time and it is gem to see 4sissies mald. Take your gay affair someplace else, my newGod ass wants to read dlc opinions to see if I am going to buy it
 
Are you sure? Because the Hornsent don't have pain from their horns. Maybe the post Marika omen are different?
Yes. The omen's horns caused them pain, it's one of the reasons why the Perfumers were always around them, and when Rollo couldn't find a cure for them went looking for a physick that would kill his emotions. Eventually he found one and from there the Omenkillers formed.

Maybe the Hornsent are different. I never got the impression that they naturally grew horns, only that they fetishized them as a symbol of divinity. Perhaps I missed that they did grow them.

Though I think the actual answer is that From wasn't really keeping track of their lore and threw in a new faction/group without thinking about what's already been established.
 
You are shiting another thread, you are complete ass mad that I don't like Bloodborne. Raging Capybara also negrated you, is he also my sock? You are delusional man. Your posts just suck.
Just stop responding. That's all you have to do.
You two are total coal faggots but the BB person writes like a 4sissy all the time and it is gem to see 4sissies mald. Take your gay affair someplace else, my newGod ass wants to read dlc opinions to see if I am going to buy it
Kill yourself.
Whatever you are accusing this guy of doing is actually less autistic than rambling about "zanzibartniggers" on /v/. What the fuck is this shit?
Basically these individuals got kicked out of other game discussion zones for being retarded and now torment us with their faggotry because we're too inclusive.
Yes. The omen's horns caused them pain, it's one of the reasons why the Perfumers were always around them, and when Rollo couldn't find a cure for them went looking for a physick that would kill his emotions. Eventually he found one and from there the Omenkillers formed.

Maybe the Hornsent are different. I never got the impression that they naturally grew horns, only that they fetishized them as a symbol of divinity. Perhaps I missed that they did grow them.

Though I think the actual answer is that From wasn't really keeping track of their lore and threw in a new faction/group without thinking about what's already been established.
I figured the omens were the result of a gypsy curse placed upon Marika and her followers by the Hornsent.

Mild aside but the Hornsent all calling Marika a whore or strumpet is funny to me.

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Based on the available information and theorizing ITT, my read of the land of shadow origin story lore is this;
  • The hornsent used to rule the Shadow Realm which either used to be part of the Lands Between or is the realm of mortals which is literally beneath the Lands Between (in the Shadow of the Erdtree™).
  • They hated the shamans (Marika's people) for some reason (denying the divinity of the crucible?) and decided to persecute them and punished them by shoving them into jars.
  • Marika conned the hornsent into building a magic tower that allows one to become a god (and possibly leads to the Lands Between?).
  • After becoming a god and conquering whoever used to run things (Gloam-eyed queen? Placidusax?) with Godfrey at her side, Marika sent Messmer down to the shadow realm to take revenge upon the hornsent and subject them to the same sort of torment that the shamans suffered through.
  • After Messmer's horrible Dracula-esque persecution, the people of the fishing village hornsent put a curse upon the Hunters Marika and the residents of the Lands Between as a whole that made some of their babies grow freakish horns that caused them immense pain.
On another note anybody wanna loresperg about how the ancestral followers might be connected to the hornsent or not?
 
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Reject doll waifu who will get tired of you; embrace perfect order, shiny and chrome gold.
Hmm, hang out with my beautiful perfect wife who loves me forever and rule the universe or get double teamed by a lunatic hobo in a mask and his blind twink bottom? Hmmm
Alright, I guess it's time for me try my luck again with another build. I'm trying to be mean on this run. Working background for the character, without going turbo autistic, is someone who has a bone to pick with the Golden Order with ties to the Wandering Merchants. I'm looking for dex/ bleed, low magic; so low faith with some intelligence. If anyone has tried double wielding whips, that'd be ideal as I'm trying to get Urumi ASAP; the end goal is to beat Messmer's ass with the Tooth Whip.
Dual whips is a fun build, but I couldn't figure out how to do the fire giant with them. If you do, you have to tell me how the fight goes (or cap it). It's a way more viable build after him though anyway - hoslows petal with bleed in one hand and fire giants braid in the other is great. I wasn't happy with the tooth whip to be honest, painful strike is nice, but as a poison unique it's just outclassed by the other whips.
 
I never liked explanations containing going crazy. The whole abandoning yourself is classic "become emotionless psycho". But Marika just seems to do random shit.
Other than the events of the shattering, which are presented as a mystery there seems to be clear cause and effect to her actions.
>Everybody in her life dies so she wants to take vengance on the people who killed them and prevent anybody else from having to lose loved ones.
>Goes about acquiring the means to enact above said plan.
>Fuck, kids are cursed
>Don't want to kill them but can't stand the sight of them and more and more people are being born cursed, their blood literally antithetical to the your "perfect" world.
>Create shunning grounds
>Gloam-Eyed Queen(Melina) and God Skins attack in order to return Destined Death
>Erdtree gets partially burnt down and Godfrey is replaced with Radagon.
>Sometime after this exile Messmer due to his snake powers becomes a target of Marika's paranoia, he might alsodo what his younger sister did since he also has visions of flame.
>Shattering happens and Melina's amnesiac spirit is sent out to return Destined Death and try to fix the golden order.
On that last part, I don't think Marika has a solution, she's hoping the resurrected tarnished have one as Goldmask(Pefect Order), Fia(Death-Prince), Dung Eater(Curse), Gideon(Fracture), Godfrey, and the player are all guided by her grace.

Maybe the Hornsent are different. I never got the impression that they naturally grew horns, only that they fetishized them as a symbol of divinity. Perhaps I missed that they did grow them.
It's mentioned in items descriptions that growing too many horns too fast can kill Hornsent, especially babies, but they aren't in pain and only grow horn on the head.
Compared to the Omen who horns grow cancerously across their whole body, the ones we do see that have weird horns are the Curseblades, who are cursed. Those spots where you get spirit ashes from are the Tutelary deities who Curseblades try to become and the ones that haven't been beheaded, indeed have a mass of horns for a head. The only other Hornsent with weird horns are the Empyrean Grandam, who's very old and magically powerful and the Hornsent elites who have those horns as part of their masks.

  • The hornsent used to rule the Shadow Realm which either used to be part of the Lands Between or is the realm of mortals which is literally beneath the Lands Between (in the Shadow of the Erdtree™).
  • They hated the shamans (Marika's people) for some reason (denying the divinity of the crucible?) and decided to persecute them and punished them by shoving them into jars.
  • Marika conned the hornsent into building a magic tower that allows one to become a god (and possibly leads to the Lands Between?).
  • After becoming a god and conquering whoever used to run things (Gloam-eyed queen? Placidusax?) with Godfrey at her side, Marika sent Messmer down to the shadow realm to take revenge upon the hornsent and subject them to the same sort of torment that the shamans suffered through.
  • After Messmer's horrible Dracula-esque persecution, the people of the fishing village hornsent put a curse upon the Hunters Marika and the residents of the Lands Between as a whole that made some of their babies grow freakish horns that caused them immense pain.
Messmer came way later to the Lands of Shadow as he was close to Rykard, his army makes use of Rykard's abductor Virgins which were made by Rykard, and Omen Killers are in his army as well. So it's likely he was sent out in response to the Omen curse or the Gloam-eyed queen's attack making Marika more paranoid of him.
Also I think we often fail to think of how long ago the events of the shattering were, but long enough that Godwyn's knight reforged all of their armor and weapons to be in the Death Prince style, and also take up Death magic.
Messmer's followers also only learned he was part serpentine after he moved to the Lands of Shadow as indicated by the Spirit Ashes of Huw and Andreas, meaning they also reforged all of their gear to have snake themed and have to had time to develop unique snake themed weapons.
But on the subject of the Shadowlands, it was always part of the Landsbetween before Marika removed the rune of Destined Death as indicated by the tower of sealing which says. "The very center of the Lands Between. All manners of death wash up here, only to be suppressed."
Here's a map I scribbled on and some concept art to help you visualize it, althougth the scale and size of shit is fucked in the in game map due to vertical distance being shown horizontally. The concept art map is also missing Dragonbarrow, but you can see the end of the ravine that begins in the Mountaintops like you can in game.
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