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About the same as non-EVs - ridiculous levels of computerization and surveillance aren't enabled by electric motors.
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The Sony Honda partnership EV may do that, if you dare to play any media or look up anything related to games that were censored on PlayStation specifically. The only way to clear the ban is to watch the TLOU2 Abby boat scene, in 9k+, on repeat for a total of 24 hours.
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Love the thread idea.
I was recently looking at an EV scooter by BMW, the CE04 (pics below). I'm not looking to buy any kind of EV but a friend send me some pics with a message "look at how fugly this thing is."
Under utopian conditions, the battery gets you as far as 130km (80,78 miles) and it can reach 120km/h (74,56 mp/h).
As someone who enjoys his time on his motorcycle, why the fuck would you pick something like this?
I was recently looking at an EV scooter by BMW, the CE04 (pics below). I'm not looking to buy any kind of EV but a friend send me some pics with a message "look at how fugly this thing is."
Under utopian conditions, the battery gets you as far as 130km (80,78 miles) and it can reach 120km/h (74,56 mp/h).
As someone who enjoys his time on his motorcycle, why the fuck would you pick something like this?
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The only way these kind of things make some sense is if it's got a small enough battery pack/packs that you can readily swap without unscrewing something. I doubt that BMW wants you to be able to do that. And yeah, it appears it's not a thing. Their site doesn't advertise it, and I scrolled through two video reviews that mention nothing of the sort. Of course, with current battery tech, with the speeds this thing can go, it likely has a lot of cooling bullshit going on to try and avoid thermal runaway, so it might not even be technically possible. Don't worry though, it's got a little cubby to charge your phone in.
Don't worry about the battery of the bike taking over an hour to charge from 0 to 80%.
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I can tell you with confidence that the oil industry loves solar modules for this very reason. It's a lot easier to set up remote drilling sites when you don't have to worry about being hooked up to some kind of power grid nor worrying about having to constantly manage fuel reservers. People love to say that "duh ebill oil lobbiests" are trying to keep stuff like solar modules from being popular (which is funny considering Solyndra) when the reality is that they use stuff like this all the time.
So, ignoring the whole "peak oil" meme that's been disproven on a regular basis, there's also a limited amount of lithium and other resources in the Earth.
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One of the things that gets looked over when it comes to EVs is what happens when one catches fire. As of right now, the "best" method is literally following the advice of freaking Catbug.
Like, yeah, they usually catch fire less often than ICE automotives, but the ones that do requires tends of thousands of gallons of water and several hours to "put out"... by which I mean the car got bored of burning and decided to stop. Oh, and all that water that's being used? It's not really putting out the fire as much as it's keeping it from overheating and getting even worse. All of this can only get worse, mind you, as batteries are made to hold more and more energy.
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If that crap is distributed to the rest of the world, it is gonna be BS in the rest of the world. Just like with the coof.
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Teslas are the most niggercattle cars you could ever buy. Literally the iPhone of cars. As for electric vehicles in general, they're fine but they're not meant to replace nor be any more environmentally friendly than traditional gas cars. Just like we have a finite amount of oil, there's also a finite amount of lithium, and tons and tons of it get wasted every day by manufactured e-waste like disposable e-cigs.
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Huh? They've got Apple style presentations, you interact through a tablet, they make everything sleek over being useful, you've got this weird "supercharging network" thing, and there's quite a bit of form over function going on (yeah, technically there's emergency release levers for the doors if the electronic system fails, but multiple people have died because they're so hard to find).
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Are a lot of vehicle functions beyond user control, and of course only Tesla-authorized repairmen can really fix the things?
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There's all that yes, and also the cost of repair (parts availability, serviceability, etc).
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Honestly? I love the idea of plugging my car in at night and it magically having a full “tank” by the morning. I’m sure I’ll get an EV at some stage, but the batteries give me bad anxiety. There’s a lot of fire contained in a fully charged lithium battery, so when one of these goes up in smoke, it becomes everyone’s problem.
But personally, I’m really into old cars, particular small ones. They’re just so charming. There’s something neat about experiencing life before technology. Old cars are the closest thing to a time machine that we have, imo, but that’s just me.
P.S. I’ve also seen news articles about how new cars (not just EVs) spy on you. Tesla and Hyundai/Kia are supposedly the worst. For this, I’ll gladly stick to my old cars.
But personally, I’m really into old cars, particular small ones. They’re just so charming. There’s something neat about experiencing life before technology. Old cars are the closest thing to a time machine that we have, imo, but that’s just me.
P.S. I’ve also seen news articles about how new cars (not just EVs) spy on you. Tesla and Hyundai/Kia are supposedly the worst. For this, I’ll gladly stick to my old cars.
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China is already dumping their EVs onto other parts of the World, as they are becoming more and more common in various Europeans countries and Australia, and they are attractive to lots of people because of the tons of features and low prices of them. It's to the point that the US had to double the tariffs on Chinese cars to make sure that they don't start to get a foothold there, and Canada did the same with increasing their tariffs. However, Chinese companies are starting to build factories in Mexico to try to circumvent those tariffs.
And even companies that making charging cables are having Ls, as Enel X Way suddenly ended support for their JuiceBox chargers in North America only, rendering most of the features unusable. (although they can still be used for only charging your car) The sudden closure also triggered an investigation in to the matter, after six defect incidents were reported. (4 incidents of the charger tripping circuit breakers, and 2 fires, one of which resulted in a total loss of the home)
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Wouldn't "life before technology" mean foot-powered cars with stone wheels?
Anyway I think my favorite era of cars is '80s and '90s.
Hopefully that's countered.
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When you consider that a modern car can have sixty computer modules in it—so many that Mercedes cars have computer modules just to manage all the inputs and outputs from other modules in the car (the SAM unit specifically, or Signal Acquisition Module), a carburettor, overhead valve and no seat belts may as well be a Flinstones car. And that’s exactly why I like them. Old cars are time machines. They’re just so different.
30s, 50s and early 60s are my favourite era of cars. Pre-war and post-war, basically, with not much being made during war, of course. I don’t mind admitting that my tastes are quite unique for a millennial, and that’s the way I like it.
Also, my ham radio club’s recently retired president has bought himself a brand new Tesla. He also has an Audi, an MR2, and an ordinary Ranger ute (which are smaller pickups, in case you weren’t aware). I admit I felt a tinge of jealousy, but I’d still have an old car any day of the week. Except that day because it was hot. I had my car running a good 20 minutes before I went home, and the Australian-proof air con felt wonderful. The compressor in my car is probably 75% larger than most other cars. Sucks they don’t build cars anymore.
That’s enough car sperging from me, though.
Edit: not quite! Today I read an article stating that ICE-powered cars are something like 20 times more likely to catch fire than an EV. I can believe that. But the problem is that if an EV catches fire and the batteries go up, you cannot extinguish them until they burn themselves out. The batteries have their own oxidiser, so all the fire retardants in the world won’t stop it.
Apparently people are testing a new firefighting method. Punch a hole into the battery pack and flood it with saltwater. Apparently this is supposed to help somehow. How, I don’t know. But the goal is to keep the batteries from overheating and entering thermal runaway, which is when they get dangerous, and flooding it with saltwater will keep the batteries cooler while the rest of the car burns. The rest of the car can be extinguished easily, the goal is to keep the batteries from running away.
Still, seeing electric buses getting around and having massive battery pods on the roof gives me anxiety. They’re also not as quiet as I thought they’d be, when I rode my first electric bus at the airport.
Ok, I’m really done now.
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The clearest explanation of an ICE vehicle fire vs an EV fire I've seen. The key takeout is that an ICE fire can take several minutes to get going and is over within about 30 minutes, whereas an EV fire erupts in seconds and can take hours to bring under control, with no guarantee that it won't flare up again once the vehicle has been towed away.