Electrodynamic Organisms

[LatinasAreTheFuture]

This is an udated and revised version of an older work.

Here it is in plaintext:

Spoiler

Electrodynamic Organisms
Alex Buckley

Dedicated to the Kiwi Farms

(A gardener and his apprentice are at the Party Secretariat Garden for Agricultural Advancement and Collective Horticulture. They have traveled here today, from a far corner of the republic and along a very great distance, to deliver a lecture of novel uniquity and to commune with other like minded individuals.

The State Secretary of Farming Collectives has designated this school to be the all-republic representative of advanced farming practices, and it is not uncommon for a great many varieties of different individuals to present their idiosyncratic theories here. The greatest party members from these diverse fields have gathered for a reception celebrating the natural and abstract sciences, eager to learn about new ideas originating from the remote regions of their great democratic republic. Biologists, physicists, philosophers, and theorists have come together in a grand conference lasting over the course of a week to share knowledge and hear about the latest advancements in agricultural research. They are assembled in a vast auditorium, listening to speakers one after another. They hope that, through their efforts, they can advance and strengthen not only science but also philosophy and the personal religious beliefs held by each attendee.

They continue all day and into the night, into the next day, the next night, and finally into the following morning. Many different papers have been presented, and quite a few lectures have gone on for hours on end.

Finally, it comes time for our speaker to present himself. The gardener, after allowing the ovation to settle from the previous speaker, rises at the call of his name and assumes the podium. The audience, of whom some are aware of this speaker, give a polite applause. He begins:

“I have previously expressed an interest in highly theoretical ideas related to the relationship between the Lotka-Volterra model of predator-prey population dynamics and Maxwell’s electromagnetic equations. My endeavors made before were messy. I am now attempting to express this concern more clearly and concisely.

I noticed that there is a unification in the similar mathematical frameworks of both the predator-prey models and the equations for electromagnetism. This is particularly so in the context of differential equations and field theories. Abstracting away all of the irrelevant data leaves a similar mathematical core to each. I will present here my combined model and express some of its initial results.

We will be assuming that the organisms in the predator-prey equations are abstract mathematical entities that can be represented by charged particles. We will be representing the populations as fields If we make these assumptions we can consider the dynamics of these interactions in a way that was previously unmodeled. Allow me to describe this model further and in more detail:

1. Variables and Parameters

Population Densities

x(t): Prey population density at time t.
y(t): Predator population density at time t.

Electric and Magnetic Fields

Ex(t): Electric field generated by prey population.
Ey(t): Electric field generated by predator population.
Bx(t): Magnetic field generated by prey movement.
By(t): Magnetic field generated by predator movement.

Parameters

α: Prey intrinsic growth rate.
β: Predation rate coefficient.
δ: Predator consumption efficiency.
ϒ: Predator mortality rate.
k1,k2: Spatial diffusion coefficients for predator and prey populations.
rx,ry: Selection rates for prey and predator.
μx,μy: Mutation rates.
λx,λy: Coupling constants for electric field curl terms.
ηx,ηy: Coupling constants for magnetic field terms.

2. Model Equations

Maxwell’s Electromagnetic Equations (with curl terms)

Prey-Generated Electric Field Ex:

∇ x Ex = - ∂Bx/∂t + λx(∇x(t))

The curl of the electric field represents the feedback between the prey's spatial distribution and population density.

Predator-Generated Electric Field Ey:

∇ x Ey = - ∂By/∂t + λy(∇y(t))

The curl of the electric field for predators represents the influence of predator density on the field.

Prey-Generated Magnetic Field Bx:

∇ x Bx = μ0Jx + μ0ε0 ∂Ex/∂t + ηx(∇ vx)

The magnetic field generated by the prey population's movement induces rotational feedback. The curl of the magnetic field represents the rotational effects of prey population movement, analogous to moving charges generating magnetic fields.

Predator-Generated Magnetic Field By:

∇ x By = μ0Jy + μ0ε0 ∂Ey/∂t + ηy(∇ vy)

The magnetic field generated by predator movement influences its spatial dynamics. The curl of the magnetic field for predators represents rotational effects caused by predator movement.

Electric and Magnetic Fields Generated by Population Movements:

Prey-Generated Electric Field:

Ex(t) = k2 ∇x(t)

The electric-field generated by the spatial distribution of the prey population.

Predator-Generated Electric Field:

Ey(t) = k1 ∇y(t)

The electric field generated by the spatial distribution of the predator population.

Predator-Prey Population Dynamics with Electromagnetic Effects:

Prey Population Dynamics with Electric Field and Curl Effects:

dxdt = αx - βxy + k2 ∇x(t) + Ex(t) + ξx∇ x (∇ vx)

The curl term ξx∇ x (∇ vx) represents the feedback loop of prey movement affecting its growth and spatial dynamics.

Predator Population Dynamics with Electric Field and Curl Effects:

dydt = δxy - ϒy + k1 ∇y(t) + Ey(t) + ξy∇ x (∇ vy)

The curl term ξy∇ x (∇ vy) represents how predator movement induced rotational feedback into its population dynamics.

With these equations it becomes very easy to understand second order effects from first order population dynamics like those in predator-prey communities. The model could be expanded to take into account various other physical properties, like relativity, wave dynamics, and spin. As it turns out, electric and magnetic field analogies provide an excellent framework for integrating complex interactions. The model could be used in ecosystem management, epidemiology, and the studies of pattern formation. A comprehensive understanding of these implications would require a fully explicit model, of which is beyond my creative abilities.

To finish I would like to point out a few areas for advancement. I would like to include vectors and velocities in the model to more accurately model the diffusion dynamics and spatial interactions. The model also sets up interesting and very challenging problems in oscillations, perturbations, and equilibriums. The model inherently suggests complex and unpredictably chaotic patterns. Perhaps theoretical-mathematico model species could be developed in this way. Thank you.”

References
I was greatly influenced for the project by the paper titled, “Cosmic Life Forms” by Attila Grandpierre that was published in Springer’s 2009 textbook titled, “From Fossils to Astrobiology: Records of Life on Earth and the Search for Extraterrestrial Biosignatures”.

 

[Londo]

Nigga I aint reading all that

 

[Broadside]

Deeply, deeply autistic.

 

[Bucephalus]

Typically when writing a scientific paper, one would explain how they reached their conclusions so others can replicate their work. You don't do that.

What is the point of this paper, Mr. Buckley? How did you come up with these models?

 

[Coberald]

>Where's the heckin soyentific meathod, where's the peer reviews, where's muh heckin reproducablility (like how my wife reproduces with black men while I listen to Jefre Cantu-Ledesma). Where did you get these results Chud?

<It came to me in a dream.

 

[Cats]

Our universe is not infinite. It is just one of an uncountably large, but also not infinite, amount of other universes; some almost identical to ours right down to the atom, others more wildly different than you can imagine. Their purpose was to compute an equation, of sorts - acting as highly specific entropy-driven nondeterministic closed systems wherein there is no possibility of actual infinity. The best way to explain this would be to conjecture that there can be first only actual nothing, and then actual infinity. The two concepts exist as direct but fundamentally asymmetrical consequences of one another. Remember that we are referencing a nothing that can't even be "nothing", or zero, because those are both countable. True Nothing is Fundamental ∅. Because "things" must exist in an infinite set, primordial infinity holds a degree of intrinsic capacity over primordial nothingness. Therefore it is capable of performing [an infinite amount of] extremely basic operations, eventually leading to the creation of all you see before you in entropy.

Only one deterministic truth can be proven through observation in mathematical equilibrium. Nothingness is truth. To be infinite is painful untruth. Primordial nothing precedes primordial something and so it cannot be superseded as a fundamental meta-law. Because there is no nondeterminism or end to true infinity, and the finite cannot be expressed or observed within or by true infinity, the entropic systems of which we are a part were necessitated into being as the only possible way to prove through observation that there was a limit for infinity somewhere within the finite beyond the countable set; the perfect axiom which allows it to become unmade, to return equilibrium point to true Nothing. And there is. The mathematical equation is not currently known, but in the unlikely event that it was ever discovered by an intelligence within the vast universal array it would be the most devastating piece of knowledge ever held by a thinking mind.

The only thing that remains outside of entropy is Fundamental ∅. From our perspective, this event happened long ago...there is no such thing as "time" to the infinite. If you were wondering if you can observe evidence of any of this, you actually can. The parameters of our systems can be broken. You can see this happen when the limits of its gravity are exceeded enough to cause a sort of tearing effect in the fabric which contains us: a black hole forms. Infinity "peeks" in. By the time our speed of light eventually brings observable equilibrium Earth-local, we will begin to observe our black holes behaving...quite a bit differently.

My cat explained all this to me and it proves that everything that we can observe is just a sort of computational metalogic error.



The problem is that returning to True Nothing is no big deal for a fundamental meta-law, but for a nondeterministic consciousness it is much different. This has something to do with causality laws ceasing to exist within equilibrium, among other things. The experience of death and terminal nonlocality for a conscious mind is apparently pretty bad. My cat says that in all of the universes with spoken or written language, there has never been a word to describe how bad it is.

 

[Bucephalus]

>Where's the heckin soyentific meathod, where's the peer reviews, where's muh heckin reproducablility (like how my wife reproduces with black men while I listen to Jefre Cantu-Ledesma). Where did you get these results Chud?

<It came to me in a dream.

>t.

 

[Ughubughughughughughghlug]

Bro have you been going schizophrenic lately?

 

[LatinasAreTheFuture]

Bro have you been going schizophrenic lately?

yes, it is indeed all very complex. The really funny part is that you see what i describe everyday, and only now do you find it disturbing?

 

[Ughubughughughughughghlug]

yes, it is indeed all very complex.

For real?

I asked because I've been on here for a while and I don't remember you writing up weird shit like this in the past, but you have lately. Could be sincere. Could be a joke. But I also considered the possibility that it was personality change.

The really funny part is that you see what i describe everyday, and only now do you find it disturbing?

 

[LatinasAreTheFuture]

For real?

I asked because I've been on here for a while and I don't remember you writing up weird shit like this in the past, but you have lately. Could be sincere. Could be a joke. But I also considered the possibility that it was personality change.

its sincere, i really do believe and mean what i put out, as strange as it may seem. ive been publicly posting my work for two years now i believe, this paper here is a update of a very old text that was very unclear.

 

[Inco G. Nito]

snip

What bothers me is that reality is quite arbitrary. Why is there gravity? (and why do the rules that make gravity work work?(and why do the rules that make the rules that make gravity work work?)) And so on. At some point it reaches a baseline that might as well be "Because I said so." And this can apply to any other principle. What you propose is true, that there isn't infinity in existence because there are a finite amount of types and formations of matter than can exist. But you aren't thinking outside of the box, so to speak. The fact that anything exists to begin with implies to me that any other manner of realities with their own wildly different rules, concepts, and principles can all exist. And that can truly stretch on to infinity. Finiteness is a concept inherently tied to material and physical limitations inherent to the universe we exist in.

 

[LatinasAreTheFuture]

What bothers me is that reality is quite arbitrary. Why is there gravity? (and why do the rules that make gravity work work?(and why do the rules that make the rules that make gravity work work?)) And so on. At some point it reaches a baseline that might as well be "Because I said so." And this can apply to any other principle. What you propose is true, that there isn't infinity in existence because there are a finite amount of types and formations of matter than can exist. But you aren't thinking outside of the box, so to speak. The fact that anything exists to begin with implies to me that any other manner of realities with their own wildly different rules, concepts, and principles can all exist. And that can truly stretch on to infinity. Finiteness is a concept inherently tied to material and physical limitations inherent to the universe we exist in.

all thought relies on some kind of metaphysical assumption(s).

Here is the second edition of the text. In plaintext:

Spoiler

Electrodynamic Organisms
Second Edition
Alex Buckley

Dedicated to the Kiwi Farms

(A gardener and his apprentice are at the Party Secretariat Garden for Agricultural Advancement and Collective Horticulture. They have traveled here today, from a far corner of the republic and along a very great distance, to deliver a lecture of novel uniquity and to commune with other like minded individuals.

The State Secretary of Farming Collectives has designated this school to be the all-republic representative of advanced farming practices, and it is not uncommon for a great many varieties of different individuals to present their idiosyncratic theories here. The greatest party members from these diverse fields have gathered for a reception celebrating the natural and abstract sciences, eager to learn about new ideas originating from the remote regions of their great democratic republic. Biologists, physicists, philosophers, and theorists have come together in a grand conference lasting over the course of a week to share knowledge and hear about the latest advancements in agricultural research. They hope that, through their efforts, they can advance and strengthen not only science but also philosophy and the personal religious beliefs held by each attendee. They are assembled in a vast auditorium, listening to speakers one after another.

They continue all day and into the night, into the next day, the next night, and finally into the following morning. Many different papers have been presented, and quite a few lectures have gone for hours on end.

Finally, it comes time for the gardener to present himself. After allowing the ovation to settle from the previous speaker, he rises at the call of his name and assumes the podium. The audience, of whom some are aware of this speaker, offer a polite applause.)

He begins:

“I have previously expressed an interest in highly theoretical ideas related to the relationship between the Lotka-Volterra model of predator-prey population dynamics and Maxwell’s electromagnetic equations. My endeavors made before were messy. I am now attempting to express this concern more clearly and concisely.

I noticed that there is a unification in the similarity between the mathematical frameworks of both the predator-prey models and the equations for electromagnetism. It is, as if, the fundamental mathematical reality of these two disparate areas are actually the same. This is particularly so in the context of differential equations and field theories. Abstracting away all of the irrelevant data leaves a similar mathematical core to each. I will present here my combined model.

We will be assuming that the organisms in the predator-prey equations are abstract mathematical entities that can be represented by charged particles. We will be representing the populations as fields. If we make these assumptions we can consider the dynamics of these interactions in a way that was previously unmodeled. Allow me to describe this model further and in more detail:

1. Variables and Parameters

Population Densities

x(t): Prey population density at time t.
y(t): Predator population density at time t.

Electric and Magnetic Fields

Ex(t): Electric field generated by prey population.
Ey(t): Electric field generated by predator population.
Bx(t): Magnetic field generated by prey movement.
By(t): Magnetic field generated by predator movement.

Parameters

α: Prey intrinsic growth rate.
β: Predation rate coefficient.
δ: Predator consumption efficiency.
ϒ: Predator mortality rate.
k1,k2: Spatial diffusion coefficients for predator and prey populations.
rx,ry: Selection rates for prey and predator.
μx,μy: Mutation rates.
λx,λy: Coupling constants for electric field curl terms.
ηx,ηy: Coupling constants for magnetic field terms.

2. Model Equations

Maxwell’s Electromagnetic Equations (with curl terms)

Prey-Generated Electric Field Ex:

∇ x Ex = - ∂Bx/∂t + λx(∇x(t))

The curl of the electric field represents the feedback between the prey's spatial distribution and population density.

Predator-Generated Electric Field Ey:

∇ x Ey = - ∂By/∂t + λy(∇y(t))

The curl of the electric field for predators represents the influence of predator density on the field.

Prey-Generated Magnetic Field Bx:

∇ x Bx = μ0Jx + μ0ε0 ∂Ex/∂t + ηx(∇ vx)

The magnetic field generated by the prey population's movement induces rotational feedback. The curl of the magnetic field represents the rotational effects of prey population movement, analogous to moving charges generating magnetic fields.

Predator-Generated Magnetic Field By:

∇ x By = μ0Jy + μ0ε0 ∂Ey/∂t + ηy(∇ vy)

The magnetic field generated by predator movement influences its spatial dynamics. The curl of the magnetic field for predators represents rotational effects caused by predator movement.

Electric and Magnetic Fields Generated by Population Movements:

Prey-Generated Electric Field:

Ex(t) = k2 ∇x(t)

The electric-field generated by the spatial distribution of the prey population.

Predator-Generated Electric Field:

Ey(t) = k1 ∇y(t)

The electric field generated by the spatial distribution of the predator population.

Predator-Prey Population Dynamics with Electromagnetic Effects:

Prey Population Dynamics with Electric Field and Curl Effects:

dxdt = αx - βxy + k2 ∇x(t) + Ex(t) + ξx∇ x (∇ vx)

The curl term ξx∇ x (∇ vx) represents the feedback loop of prey movement affecting its growth and spatial dynamics.

Predator Population Dynamics with Electric Field and Curl Effects:

dydt = δxy - ϒy + k1 ∇y(t) + Ey(t) + ξy∇ x (∇ vy)

The curl term ξy∇ x (∇ vy) represents how predator movement induced rotational feedback into its population dynamics.

With these equations it becomes very easy to understand second order effects from first order population dynamics like those in predator-prey communities. The model could be expanded to take into account various other physical properties, like relativity, wave dynamics, and spin. As it turns out, electric and magnetic field analogies provide an excellent framework for integrating complex interactions. This model could be used in ecosystem management, epidemiology, and the studies of pattern formation. A comprehensive understanding of these implications would require a fully explicit model, of which is beyond my creative abilities.

To finish I would like to point out a few areas for advancement. I would like to include vectors and velocities in the model to more accurately model the diffusion dynamics and spatial interactions. The model also sets up interesting and very challenging problems in oscillations, perturbations, and equilibriums. The model inherently suggests complex and unpredictably chaotic patterns. Perhaps theoretical-mathematico model species could be developed in this way. Thank you.”

References

I was greatly influenced for the project by the paper titled, “Cosmic Life Forms” by Attila Grandpierre that was published in Springer’s 2009 textbook titled, “From Fossils to Astrobiology: Records of Life on Earth and the Search for Extraterrestrial Biosignatures”.

I have also noticed a distinct similarity between my model and that which is presented by J. S. Wicken in his “Evolution, Thermodynamics, and Information: Extending the Darwinian Paradigm”. His model is very similar, with his being a synthesis of Lotka-Volterra population models with thermodynamics, instead of Maxwell’s electromagnetism.

 

[Inco G. Nito]

all thought relies on some kind of metaphysical assumption(s).

I try to avoid as many assumptions as possible. Resultantly I have arrived at a very neutral, all encompassing idea that absolutely any reality could exist metaphysically, and that everything intrinsic to this world and the human experience as a whole is irrelevant to the true (truly infinite) scope of things. There is no particular reason things are the way they are, they aren't the result of a grand conclusion or the inevitable endpoint for how a reality should be. It just seems kind of silly to me to take in this whole world, as arbitrary as its design is and assume that there can be nothing more.

 

[LatinasAreTheFuture]

I try to avoid as many assumptions as possible. Resultantly I have arrived at a very neutral, all encompassing idea that absolutely any reality could exist metaphysically, and that everything intrinsic to this world and the human experience as a whole is irrelevant to the true (truly infinite) scope of things. There is no particular reason things are the way they are, they aren't the result of a grand conclusion or the inevitable endpoint for how a reality should be. It just seems kind of silly to me to take in this whole world, as arbitrary as its design is and assume that there can be nothing more.

i agree totally, although i follow a slightly different metaphysical position. The only thing that i disagree with is avoiding assumptions. I actually believe its better to acknowledge the assumptions you make and try to be ok with them, try into lean into them and use them knowing that it will effect your thought. Its really important to know that assumptions will have downstream effects on everything else.

 

[Inco G. Nito]

assumptions

Well, okay. When I say 'assumptions' I mean moreso avoiding creating lore or baseless theology. For instance, I assume that consciousness (or qualia, if you prefer) does not physically exist, that it is metaphysical and is a prerequesite for any existence. The only reason it appears to be diminished in individuals with brain damage is because the brain is responsible for emotion, permanence of thought, taking in information about the physical world, personality, etc. Contrary to reddit athiests' bizarre ramblings, we have absolutely 0 leads on what how or why consciousness is, and I see no reason for that to change any time soon. After all, the only reason you even know about it in the first place is because it is prerequesite to existing to begin with.

 

[LatinasAreTheFuture]

After all, the only reason you even know about it in the first place is because it is prerequesite to existing to begin with.

yup!
when i talk about assumptions i'm really referring to the realism debate. Some might try to argue that the reality we see is only an assumption.

and yes, we obviously want to ignore things that have nothing to do with our concern.