Elliot Page / Ellen Page - Former actress, starred in Juno. Turned into a pooner and divorced her wife because being a lesbian was not boosting her career anymore. Receives a daily dose of asspatting from Hollywood. Likes to show off her "male" body using fake abdominals.

[Admiral Throbnelius]

You forget the abdominal method, where the scar (depending on the surgeon, and lets say for the sake of argument she has access to higher skilled ones) is like a tummy tuck scar that can easily be hidden with strategically placed shorts/pants.

Though, it still is unlikely now that I think about it, as I guess another tell-tale sign is her lack of broadcasting this news from the top of Mount Lee. I've noticed that whenever a troon/poon gets cagey when the subject comes up (i.e., "That is personal..." "Why are you so interested in my genitals...?, etc.,") its a sign they didn't get it.

So, yeah, she doesn't have it, nor does she plan to. Thus, this is mostly performative.

Fair point. I'm only speculating. She could also get a makeshift dong by grafting skin from her leg which would be easier to hide than her forearm. I also feel that doing a ton of surgery is too much effort for Ellen so she'll just work off the zippertits.

 

[Spangled Drongo]

Based dad doesn't see his daughter as a man. Honestly this whole situation isn't something you'd expect from a 30-something - it's more reminiscent of a teenage girl telling her parents she's really a boy, parents have questions and don't want their daughter jumping to conclusions and getting irreversible procedures, but she cuts them off and does anyway because in "progressive" western countries it's legal for gender confused kids to get hormones and surgeries without parental consent. Even the look she's going for is that pathetic soft boi aesthetic all the teenage pooners love for some reason.

 

[AssignedEva]

It barely got mentioned, and I feel like the only Kiwi who watched "Umbrella Acadamy".

The first season was good. A lot of mystery and action. Second season was okay, and I started watching season 3. This was part of what peaked me on TTD. There were HOURS of S3 dedicated to Ellen coming out as trans and all the other actors had scenes where they gave her asspats. Her yeeted teats became the center of the narrative. I guess self harm peaked with the trooning and now we need to sabotage our career.

The whole change was clumsy.

In Season 1 she had a really interesting arc - she thought she was the ugly duckling of the family but after getting manipulated by the guy she's dating (who wants revenge on the academy because he's just a normie and not magic) it turns out she's the most powerful one and inadvertently hurts those she cares about the most, ultimately bringing about the apocalypse. That was cool, it was a twist I didn't see coming.

In Season 2 they're all accidentally sent back in time (separately) to Dallas in the 1960s and Vanya immediately gets run over by a young mother, Sissy. Upon waking up she has amnesia. Over the course of many, many episodes (and in show, many, many months) Vanya bonds with Sissy (who has an abusive husband) and her son and eventually Vanya and Sissy realise they're in love. So ok, big shock a character played by Ellen Paige ends up going lesbian for "beautiful woman with abusive husband", but it gave Vanya something to do while the other characters all ran around the 1960s trying to find each other and work out what to do, and it tied into the plot nicely with the son. It was believable for a character arc. Then season 3 happens.

When I watched this, I actually laughed. It was so out of nowhere. Vanya was basically a hunted terrorist blamed for killing JFK and then had a massive time war/shootout with time travel agents. She was then travelling back to the present day and wanted to take the woman she loved and her son with her, but then has to say goodbye because Sissy doesn't want to mess up the timeline and she wants her son to have a normal life. Upon returning to the present, her and her family discover they're in an alternate reality because their "dad" met them in the past and hated them so much that he deliberately adopted different children, and then they have to fight these alternate universe counterparts and flee. They plot what to do next, they find a hotel to stay in, Vanya secretly meets with the enemy to get the magic time travel suitcase back.

The next day, after everything in the paragraph above (that happened in one day), Vanya discovers Sissy died in 1989. She remembers that Sissy said to her “You don’t even notice the box that you’re in until someone comes along and lets you out" (in reference to being a lesbian). So she goes downstairs and gets a haircut and then tells everyone she's Viktor now. If you've not seen the show, watch the scene. That's the entire preamble.

I mean, I get they had to do it quickly because Ellen had already transitioned irl (and her wig was terrible), but seriously this character - who has never shown any inclination for being trans whatsoever - just decides to transition out the blue. Are we supposed to assume that the entire arc about her learning she's a lesbian is actually her learning she's a man?

I'm probably going to watch the new season, but pretty much just for Klaus.

 

[CoolFool]

I mean, I get they had to do it quickly because Ellen had already transitioned irl (and her wig was terrible), but seriously this character - who has never shown any inclination for being trans whatsoever - just decides to transition out the blue. Are we supposed to assume that the entire arc about her learning she's a lesbian is actually her learning she's a man?

I've never watched the show, but when I read how they handled her transitioning on the show, I was surprised at how lame and stupid it was. Granted, I know the show had to act fast since Ellen trooned out suddenly, but still. The characters live in a world with magic and time travel, why couldn't they have made Ellen's character end up stuck in a timeline where she is a boy? Or maybe someone uses magic to turn her into a boy as a form of revenge? She even could have said something like "You know what, I'm actually okay with this. It feels right, it feels like I was always meant to be this way, so I'm staying a man. Call me Viktor."

They could have done something so much more in character and believable other than "I cut my hair and identify as a boy now" and just having everyone accept it.

 

[Blasterman]

You forget the abdominal method, where the scar (depending on the surgeon, and lets say for the sake of argument she has access to higher skilled ones) is like a tummy tuck scar that can easily be hidden with strategically placed shorts/pants.

Though, it still is unlikely now that I think about it, as I guess another tell-tale sign is her lack of broadcasting this news from the top of Mount Lee. I've noticed that whenever a troon/poon gets cagey when the subject comes up (i.e., "That is personal..." "Why are you so interested in my genitals...?, etc.,") its a sign they didn't get it.

So, yeah, she doesn't have it, nor does she plan to. Thus, this is mostly performative.

I've got a feeling Ellen could detroon once she realizes none of this is bringing her the attention she desires. She's a classic example of the "trend-chaser" troon America has been flooded with in the last couple years.

But even then nobody's going to like her. Nobody wants a girl with mastectomy scars that aren't the result of cancer treatment.
She wasted the shot she had back in the Juno days of being the likeable tomboy, and it's coming back to bite her in the ass hard.

 

[AssignedEva]

I forgot to mention the funniest thing - the Umbrella Academy wiki has a "no deadnaming/misgendering Viktor" rule;

Can't deadname a fictional character and risk hurting that fictional character's feelings!

 

[HR Pickens]

I've got a feeling Ellen could detroon once she realizes none of this is bringing her the attention she desires. She's a classic example of the "trend-chaser" troon America has been flooded with in the last couple years.

But even then nobody's going to like her. Nobody wants a girl with mastectomy scars that aren't the result of cancer treatment.
She wasted the shot she had back in the Juno days of being the likeable tomboy, and it's coming back to bite her in the ass hard.

I agree with this. I think she will absolutely detransition in a few years. If being a troon is still fashionable at that time I think she'll claim a they/she enby identity. If it's unfashionable she'll try to go "back" to being a woman. Either way I get the looming sense that she'll end up 41%ing before too long.

 

[Spangled Drongo]

I've got a feeling Ellen could detroon once she realizes none of this is bringing her the attention she desires. She's a classic example of the "trend-chaser" troon America has been flooded with in the last couple years.

But even then nobody's going to like her. Nobody wants a girl with mastectomy scars that aren't the result of cancer treatment.
She wasted the shot she had back in the Juno days of being the likeable tomboy, and it's coming back to bite her in the ass hard.

Here's wondering if such a situation would cause the masses to hit peak trans, finally realise this troon craze is all bullshit, or if she'd just get labelled a fraud like all the other detransitioners. "Well, you never were trans!" Even though the definition of trans keeps expanding, it might as well include anyone who so much as shows the slightest interest in things associated with the opposite sex or has any sort of body image issues.

Then you get the sort of detransitioner that claims it might not have been the right path for them specifically, but is still totes an ally! Could see Ellen going that way unless somehow this troon shit goes all the way from popular, socially acceptable opinion to "what were we thinking!?" and becomes a thing of the past.

 

[Blasterman]

Here's wondering if such a situation would cause the masses to hit peak trans, finally realise this troon craze is all bullshit, or if she'd just get labelled a fraud like all the other detransitioners. "Well, you never were trans!" Even though the definition of trans keeps expanding, it might as well include anyone who so much as shows the slightest interest in things associated with the opposite sex or has any sort of body image issues.

Then you get the sort of detransitioner that claims it might not have been the right path for them specifically, but is still totes an ally! Could see Ellen going that way unless somehow this troon shit goes all the way from popular, socially acceptable opinion to "what were we thinking!?" and becomes a thing of the past.

Peak troon has already happened. Just look at what the LGBT pushers turned into. The rise of TERFs also helped undermine the movement at just the right time.

I think Ellen and other similar troons will have to seriously backtrack and declare it all "just a phase" if they even want remote acceptance once all this LGBT nonsense is over. Ellen is by far not the worst troon there is and she hasn't done much wrong (yet) but you've had some really high profile dirt come to the limelight when it comes to the movement. For example, the troonshine bust helped a ton of people realize troons are almost exclusively child-diddlers, and you can see that reflected in the Mulvaney boycott. She does not want to associate with a movement as degenerate and foul as that in the case she wants to have even a remote chance at saving face.

 

[Baraadmirer]

Or maybe someone uses magic to turn her into a boy as a form of revenge? She even could have said something like "You know what, I'm actually okay with this. It feels right, it feels like I was always meant to be this way, so I'm staying a man. Call me Viktor."

That runs the risk of implying that Vanya/Viktor being trans is something forced on them, which would hit really close to home given today's political climate on trans issues.

 

[CoolFool]

That runs the risk of implying that Vanya/Viktor being trans is something forced on them, which would hit really close to home given today's political climate on trans issues.

Okay, how about this: She looks into some magical mirror that shows you who you REALLY are. When she looks into the mirror, she realizes she looks like a boy. Her friends are confused to see it. She tries to deny what is in front of her, but eventually admits that's how she's always seen herself and who she truly is. The friends are accepting and set out to help her. With magic or something, they find a way to turn her into a REAL BOY!

My point is that I don't understand why a show that is set in a world of magic and time travel, the best the writers could come up with "Ellen gets a hair cut and is suddenly a boy now". So lame.

 

[Nicholas II of Russia]

Okay, how about this: She looks into some magical mirror that shows you who you REALLY are. When she looks into the mirror, she realizes she looks like a boy. Her friends are confused to see it. She tries to deny what is in front of her, but eventually admits that's how she's always seen herself and who she truly is. The friends are accepting and set out to help her. With magic or something, they find a way to turn her into a REAL BOY!

My point is that I don't understand why a show that is set in a world of magic and time travel, the best the writers could come up with "Ellen gets a hair cut and is suddenly a boy now". So lame.

That would also imply that not even using magic could turn her into a man. Lol.

 

[Procrastinhater]

I agree with this. I think she will absolutely detransition in a few years. If being a troon is still fashionable at that time I think she'll claim a they/she enby identity. If it's unfashionable she'll try to go "back" to being a woman. Either way I get the looming sense that she'll end up 41%ing before too long.

Watch her "Tears of Joy" interview with that fat grifting fuck Oprah

She's a fucking emotional wreck.
She hears voices telling her to harm herself and that she's some abomination.
If I had to bet on any famous Pooner/Troon 41%ing, it would be Ellen.
She's extremely mentally ill and instead of dealing with the problem she's been further damaged by the Cult that convinced her becoming a ridiculous Pooner was the answer to everything, but watch that interview, how upset she gets at even basic questions, ones Oprah was obviously feeding to her so she could put out some troon propaganda, and you can see she's realizing she made a mistake, she's cut her tits off, she's changed her name, poisoned herself and aged herself with wrong sex hormones at carcinogenic levels, she's done everything they said she had to do to be happy, but she's... still... not... happy.
You can see her realizing this and she's totally broken by it.
If the Gender Cult starts to face serious backlash and the asspats she relies on to get her out of bed everyday dry up, or even worse, turn to recriminations, for the horrible influence she has been on other naive young girls... she's already unstable.
I don't think it would take much for those voices to get her to do something really stupid.

 

[AssignedEva]

My point is that I don't understand why a show that is set in a world of magic and time travel, the best the writers could come up with "Ellen gets a hair cut and is suddenly a boy now". So lame.

I guess a certain segment of the terminally online audience would seethe that she'd magically turned into a cis man, and that's erasing transness or something
That or they'd already written the entire plot for Season 3 before Ellen did the surprise teet yeet, so when debating how to crowbar in the transition, "create a coherent in-universe explanation for a magical gender swap that doesn't detract from the main plots of alternate universe and also a grandfather paradox" lost out to "hi guys I'm trans now btw". I still think they could have at least tried to make it more sense, but then I guess we were spared episodes of Vanya's "gender journey".

 

[CoolFool]

If I had to bet on any famous Pooner/Troon 41%ing, it would be Ellen.

I think she will 41% herself if she gets bottom surgery. If she can avoid that then I can see her detransitioning and going on a PR victim tour about how she was manipulated and used after being trans is no longer profitable. If she gets bottom surgery though, I do think she'll off herself. There's no coming back from that.

Meanwhile, if she avoids bottom surgery, it won't be hard to go back to being Ellen. She won't get her tits back, but tbh she barely had any to begin with. Being on testosterone hasn't done much for her, her voice sounds like a frog but it hasn't given her body or facial hair, and she still looks the same minus the short hair cut. Really the only thing she'd have to deal with is a squeaky voice.

 

[Procrastinhater]

I think she will 41% herself if she gets bottom surgery. If she can avoid that then I can see her detransitioning and going on a PR victim tour about how she was manipulated and used after being trans is no longer profitable. If she gets bottom surgery though, I do think she'll off herself. There's no coming back from that.

Meanwhile, if she avoids bottom surgery, it won't be hard to go back to being Ellen. She won't get her tits back, but tbh she barely had any to begin with. Being on testosterone hasn't done much for her, her voice sounds like a frog but it hasn't given her body or facial hair, and she still looks the same minus the short hair cut. Really the only thing she'd have to deal with is a squeaky voice.

It has aged her a lot, but a lot of that is probably stress, and her voice is kind of froggy, but it was always wavery and sounded like she was always on the edge of tears anyway, you're right I don't think she's done much other than cut her hair and have her tits ripped off, I don't she's even taking much of a Testosterone dose, she hasn't had hardly any changes that Pooners usually experience.
I agree if she doesn't get the rotdog surgery there's maybe a way back for her, especially if detransitioning becomes the next trend for Gender Cult members, she's a fucking wind vane, if she sees the wind changing I can see he jumping at the chance for the asspats she'll get on tour talking about how she was manipulated and victimized, she's got that permanent victim mentality to begin with, also I can forgive her some of that, if you've got permanent demonic voices in your head telling you how shit and pathetic you are, it'd be easy to feel like you're being victimized.

 

[Det. Frank Washington Esq]

I mean, I get they had to do it quickly because Ellen had already transitioned irl (and her wig was terrible), but seriously this character - who has never shown any inclination for being trans whatsoever - just decides to transition out the blue. Are we supposed to assume that the entire arc about her learning she's a lesbian is actually her learning she's a man?

This tracks with how it unfolded IRL tho. So, I would say this is a spot-on depiction that was either intentional or coincidental.

I've never watched the show, but when I read how they handled her transitioning on the show, I was surprised at how lame and stupid it was. Granted, I know the show had to act fast since Ellen trooned out suddenly, but still. The characters live in a world with magic and time travel, why couldn't they have made Ellen's character end up stuck in a timeline where she is a boy? Or maybe someone uses magic to turn her into a boy as a form of revenge? She even could have said something like "You know what, I'm actually okay with this. It feels right, it feels like I was always meant to be this way, so I'm staying a man. Call me Viktor."

They could have done something so much more in character and believable other than "I cut my hair and identify as a boy now" and just having everyone accept it.

There was probably some writing room panic and scrambling considering that the character is female throughout its comic run. I'm sure Ellie's transition was something that was probably sprung on them, rather than conversations had with the producers well beforehand. After all, she was lesbian as far back as '07 but came out as trans at the end '20, when the show wrapped its second season. They had to take a year off to try and figure out this delicate (and litigiously plausible) situation, resulting in what we have. And, you're right. The writers could've taken this ideal opportunity to create the most fantastical wish fulfillment of a magical transition that would've made the collective sigh in euphoria. But, like in reality, they don't care. Again, this tracks with reality: "I cut off my hair (and boobs) and identify as a boy now" and we all just accept it.

I agree with this. I think she will absolutely detransition in a few years. If being a troon is still fashionable at that time I think she'll claim a they/she enby identity. If it's unfashionable she'll try to go "back" to being a woman. Either way I get the looming sense that she'll end up 41%ing before too long.

Probably one of the many reasons why she didn't get bottom surgery after all. Cis het women lose their boobs to breast cancer and can still have a meaningful and romantic relationship. A detrans who went full reeeeetard is going to have a harder time.

 

[Procrastinhater]

Probably one of the many reasons why she didn't get bottom surgery after all. Cis het women lose their boobs to breast cancer and can still have a meaningful and romantic relationship. A detrans who went full reeeeetard is going to have a harder time.

If the 3D Model of her made for Beyond Two Souls is accurate she didn't have huge boobs to begin with, if she detransitioned it wouldn't take the kind of reconstructive cosmetic surgeon Hollywood money (and contacts) could afford her much work to at least give her some semblance of a normal body back, take those ridiculous ab implants out and a modest sized set of fake tits and its not too hard to see her being able to live a relatively normal life.
She's likely done some damage with the wrong sex hormones (you can see how they've aged her 20 years in the last 3) and shes always gonna carry that Gunt the scars, both physical and mental, but its the rotdog surgeries that really fuck Li'l Pooners up, leave them with damaged kidneys from the constant UTI's and strictures, not to mention the draining effect on general health from the constant surgeries rotdog bearing Pooners undergo, as long as she resists the rotdog installation she still has a chance.
If she gets the arm-cock though (or God forbid one of those Lovecraftian tentacle abdominal phallo things like ElephantDick) she's fucked.
There's no going back from that.
Even if she gets it removed (like Trench, I believe) there's still the nerve damage numbing the whole crotch area, and damage to the kidneys and bladder that's an inevitable result of treating your crotch like a Build-A-Bear kit.

 

[FuckMeGentlyWithAChainsaw]

I've got a feeling Ellen could detroon once she realizes none of this is bringing her the attention she desires.

I'm afraid Mr. Garrisons Wheel of Fortune only goes in one direction. Next up she'll have to come out as gay again, but start dating men this time.

 

[Det. Frank Washington Esq]

If the 3D Model of her made for Beyond Two Souls is accurate she didn't have huge boobs to begin with, if she detransitioned it wouldn't take the kind of reconstructive cosmetic surgeon Hollywood money (and contacts) could afford her much work to at least give her some semblance of a normal body back, take those ridiculous ab implants out and a modest sized set of fake tits and its not too hard to see her being able to live a relatively normal life.
She's likely done some damage with the wrong sex hormones (you can see how they've aged her 20 years in the last 3) and shes always gonna carry that Gunt the scars, both physical and mental, but its the rotdog surgeries that really fuck Li'l Pooners up, leave them with damaged kidneys from the constant UTI's and strictures, not to mention the draining effect on general health from the constant surgeries rotdog bearing Pooners undergo, as long as she resists the rotdog installation she still has a chance.
If she gets the arm-cock though (or God forbid one of those Lovecraftian tentacle abdominal phallo things like ElephantDick) she's fucked.
There's no going back from that.
Even if she gets it removed (like Trench, I believe) there's still the nerve damage numbing the whole crotch area, and damage to the kidneys and bladder that's an inevitable result of treating your crotch like a Build-A-Bear kit.

Yeah, its like, funny enough, she's still at a point where its not all the way over. This is really the "on the outer ledge, holding onto the railing of the bridge" moment they all face. And, bottom surgery is when you release the grip.

Lightly OT, but the bridge analogy just made me think of this doc. Apropos on so many levels.