US Elon Musk appears to perform fascist salute at inauguration event

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Elon Musk gestures as he speaks during the inaugural parade inside Capitol One Arena in Washington, on January 20, 2025. (Angela Weiss/AFP)

"Tech billionaire Elon Musk appears to give a pair of fascist salutes while addressing an inauguration event for supporters of US President Donald Trump.

While speaking on stage at the Capitol One Arena in Washington, Musk puts his hand on his chest before extending his arm in a salute."
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Late but agree he had an autistic spaz out while high as balls. He has no idea how he looked in the moment. It's a wonder how he dresses himself.
Thank you, I was going to say that words matter, if we still had access to English Classic everyone would have correctly said "look at the spaz, he's totally spazzing out! That's not a Nazi salute, stop being gay."

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This would be a prime opportunity for the ADL to squeeze a check out of him or else they'll write... But they're not doing it, they're not even taking swings at him. Odd behavior.
 
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They haven't learned anything over the last ten years.

Musk’s straight-arm gesture embraced by right-wing extremists regardless of what he meant
Associated Press (archive.ph)
By Bernard Condon
2025-01-21 20:39:48GMT
NEW YORK (AP) — Right-wing extremists are celebrating Elon Musk’s straight-arm gesture during a speech Monday, although his intention wasn’t totally clear and some hate watchdogs are saying not to read too much into it.

“I just want to say thank you for making it happen,” Musk said during a speech at Capitol One Arena on Monday afternoon, referring to Donald Trump’s victory in the presidential election. Then he slapped his hand on his chest, extended his arm straight outward and upward with his palm facing downwards. He turned around and made a similar gesture facing the other way.

“My heart goes out to you,” he said.

Many social media users noticed that the gesture looked like a Nazi salute. Musk has only fanned the flames of suspicion by not explicitly denying those claims in a dozen posts since, though he did make light of the criticism and lashed out at people making that interpretation.

“The ‘everyone is Hitler’ attack is sooo tired,” Musk posted on X several hours after he left the stage.

Critics and fans alike of the Tesla CEO and world’s richest man were quick to react to the gesture.

“The White Flame will rise again,” a chapter of the white nationalist group White Lives Matter posted on Telegram.

“Maybe woke really is dead,” white nationalist Keith Woods posted on X.

The Anti-Defamation League, an antisemitism and human rights watchdog, called it an “awkward gesture” and urged caution in jumping to conclusions. Other extremism watchdogs and experts pointed out it was unclear what Musk was trying to convey to the crowd of Trump’s supporters during his speech by thrusting his arm out.

“I’m skeptical it was on purpose,” said Jared Holt, a senior research analyst at the Institute for Strategic Dialogue, which tracks online hate. “It would be an act of self-sabotage that wouldn’t really make much sense at all.”

Holt noted Musk specifically said his heart went out to the crowd. That could indicate a sort of gesture of thanks to them.

Since Musk bought Twitter, now called X, the self-described “free speech absolutist” has faced criticism from hate-speech watchdogs for allowing extremist, dangerous and antisemitic comments to flourish on the social media platform. His response has been to attack his critics, suing one group unsuccessfully after advertisers fled X and threatening to sue another, the Anti-Defamation League, which urged calm at this “delicate moment” in its statement Monday.

“It seems that @elonmusk made an awkward gesture in a moment of enthusiasm, not a Nazi salute, but again, we appreciate that people are on edge,” the ADL said in a statement. “In this moment, all sides should give one another a bit of grace, perhaps even the benefit of the doubt, and take a breath.”

Kurt Braddock, a professor of communication at American University who studies extremism, radicalization and terrorism, said the gesture was a fascist salute and “people shouldn’t doubt what they saw.”

“He’s still blowing it off as though it wasn’t something serious,” Braddock said of Musk. “I know what I saw, I know what the response to it was among elements of the extreme right including neo-Nazis, and I see what the reaction is now. And none of it is a laughing matter.”

In Europe where the fascist salute is associated with hate, death and destruction of World War II, Musk’s arm gesture elicited outrage.

An Italian communist youth organization on Tuesday hung an effigy of Musk upside down in Milan’s Piazzale Loreto, where Mussolini’s body was hung upside down after he was executed during the final days of World War II. The organization, Cambiare Rotta (Change Course), noted in a Facebook post that a photo of the effigy had been removed by the social media company.

“We are correctly a little afraid, because that image is scary,’’ author Filippo Ceccarelli told Italian La7 private television.

Known as the Roman salute in Italy, the straight-arm greeting officially adopted in 1925 by the dictator Benito Mussolini’s fascist regime is banned in Italy though it is rarely prosecuted.

Musk’s representative in Italy, Andrea Stroppa, published the photo on X with the words: “Roman Empire is back, starting with the Roman salute,” according to the news agency ANSA.

He later deleted the post, writing that Musk “is autistic,” and was expressing his emotions but denying he was emulating fascism.

“He does not like extremists,’’ Stroppa wrote.

In France on Monday, more than 80 associations, including human rights, environmental and press freedom groups left X, though it is unclear if Musk was the trigger or Trump’s inauguration. Several universities and schools left X, too, as well as nationwide and local newspaper on various sides of the political spectrum.

Brian Levin, founder of the Center for the Study of Hate and Extremism at California State University, San Bernardino, said even if it was accidental, the gesture Musk did has the power to hurt people.

“When you’re a public figure at the highest echelons of power on Inauguration Day, doing a salute like that is extraordinarily disturbing and it calls for an explanation from Musk,” he said. “Points are made about free speech. Well, along with free speech comes responsibility.”

Levin said some extremists will take the gesture regardless of its intent as “some kind of not-so-subtle marching order.”
Stefanik excoriates Dem for Elon Musk 'Nazi salute' accusation at UN ambassador hearing
FOX News (archive.ph)
By Emma Colton
2025-01-21 13:36:30GMT
Democratic Connecticut Sen. Chris Murphy pressed New York Rep. Elise Stefanik on claims Elon Musk gave a Nazi salute at President Donald Trump's inaugural parade when she appeared before Senate lawmakers as part of her confirmation process to serve as ambassador to the U.N.

"What do you think of Elon Musk, perhaps the president's most visible adviser, doing two heil Hitler salutes last night at the president's televised rally?" Murphy asked Stefanik on Tuesday morning as she appeared before the Senate Committee on Foreign Relations.

"No, Elon Musk did not do those salutes," Stefanik said. "I was not at the rally, but I can tell you, I've been at many rallies with Elon Musk, who loves to cheer when President Trump says, ‘We need to send, you know, our U.S. space program to Mars,’ Elon Musk is a visionary. I'm looking forward to his work in DOGE," the Department of Government Efficiency.

Musk attended Trump's inaugural parade on Monday, where he spoke to supporters and was accused of giving a Hitler-style salute to the crowds.

Musk has since brushed off the accusations as a tired attack from the left, saying on X that "they need better dirty tricks."

The New York Republican continued in her response, "American people are smart. They see through it, they support Elon Musk. We are proud to be the country of such successful entrepreneurs. That is one of our greatest strengths as Americans."

Murphy continued pressing Stefanik on the matter, rattling off a list of "White supremacist groups and neo-Nazi groups" who had described and celebrated Musk's gesture as a Hitler salute.

"Evan Kilgore, a right-wing political commentator, wrote on X, ‘Holy crap, did Elon Musk just Heil Hitler at the Trump inauguration rally. This is incredible. We are so back.’ Andrew Torba, who's the founder of the right-wing Christian nationalist social platform Gab, said ‘incredible things are happening,’ … as he amplified the visual, the Proud Boys chapter in Ohio posted the clip, on a Telegram channel with the text ‘Heil Trump,’" Murphy said of the examples.

"Over and over last night, White supremacist groups and neo-Nazi groups in this country rallied around that visual," Murphy said. "Does it concern you that those elements of the neo-Nazi and White supremacist element in the United States believe that what they saw last night was a neo-Nazi salute?"

Stefanik shot back that she and Trump both have a long record combating antisemitism.

"What concerns me is this is… these are the questions you believe are most important to ask to the U.N. ambassador," she said. "I have a very strong record when it comes to combating antisemitism. We just had a historic election where President Trump earned historic support from American voters because of his strong leadership combating antisemitism, which has been a scourge across the country, skyrocketing since Oct. 7. So I intend to bring moral clarity to this position and continue to speak out as a voice, as a beacon of light condemning antisemitism at the United Nations, which is representative of President Trump's record and President Trump's promises that he made on the campaign trail."

Murphy explained that he asked about Musk's gesture "because I think that your work and the administration's work on antisemitism only comes with real impact and credibility if it holds both right and left accountable."

"I simply don't believe that if a member of the Squad made that same gesture last night, that there wouldn't be commentary from you and others," he said. "So I want to make sure that our work has credibility and credibility comes with calling antisemitism and antisemitism behavior out when it comes from both the right and the left."
 
Honestly I'm just at the point where I don't even fucking care. If someone calls me a Nazi now I'm just gonna actually play into it. The more you spam phrases the more they fucking lose meaning.

Besides, what the fuck are they gonna do? I'm 6'1 200lbs, I've been regularly lifting weights for years and I carry.

Za Trump Spremni!
 
The hand position is wrong.

The gesture is wrong.

even if it was the exact right position tons of people including politicians make this gesture every day.

Since when does Musk encode secret messages in gestures? Why would he suddenly do it out of nowhere at this moment?

Literally only a few days ago the same people who are trying to make this into a thing were celebrating the deaths and harassment of jews. Some of whom there is no evidence they support netanyahu.

This 'controversy' is retarded even by the standards of the usual dumb tabloid conspiracy mills.
 
This pathetic joke made it on the BBC's peak news coverage tonight.
Including Musk's denial.

Anyone with a jot of common sense would have looked at that and said "no, do not even pretend this is news." Instead we had someone read out Musk's denial with a condescending tone.

I'd say it was the dumbest thing related to that but other posts on this site reminded me that people are still trying to claim Trump's reaction post near-death was a Nazi salute.
 
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If someone calls me a Nazi now I'm just gonna actually play into it.
"ok, and?" is always the correct response to someone calling you a Nazi.

Elon Musk’s inauguration salute stokes debate in Congress, Europe
The Washington Post (archive.ph)
By Pranshu Verma, Ellie Silverman, and Bryan Pietsch
2025-01-22 00:57:54GMT
It has been dismissed as an awkward gesture and criticized as a Nazi-styled salute. But whatever billionaire Elon Musk’s intentions while giving a post-inauguration speech in Washington, the move has sparked debate and recriminations.

In a speech Monday at Capital One Arena, Musk thanked President Donald Trump’s supporters by clasping his hand against his chest before raising it, flat-palmed, in the air. “My heart goes out to you,” he said.

It gave rise to international concern Tuesday, with politicians and extremist experts expressing alarm that such a gesture from one of Trump’s closest advisers might signal broader aims within the administration.

Some cited Musk’s propensity for promoting antisemitic language and benig on his highly trafficked X account. Others looked to videos and images of the movement for answers. “That was a Nazi salute,” Ruth Ben-Ghiat, a history professor at New York University who studies fascism said on X, “and a very belligerent one too.”

Musk dismissed the claims Tuesday, attributing them to news outlets advancing partisan bias. “The legacy media is pure propaganda,” he said on X, the social media platform he owns. “Frankly, they need better dirty tricks,” Musk wrote Monday evening, characterizing the attacks as political barbs. “The ‘everyone is Hitler’ attack is sooo tired.”

Others described the gesture as a display of enthusiasm from a man known for making odd or erratic movements during public events. The Anti-Defamation League described Musk’s movement as “an awkward gesture in a moment of enthusiasm, not a Nazi salute.”

Elon Musk “literally said 'my heart goes out to you’ as he made the gesture from his heart to the people,” Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) said on X.

The controversy reverberated through Congress on Tuesday, as lawmakers weighed in. Sen. Chris Murphy (D-Connecticut) asked Rep. Elise Stefanik (R-New York) — Trump’s nominee for U.S. ambassador to the United Nations — in her confirmation hearing if one of the president’s “most visible” advisers did “two Heil Hitler salutes?” Stefanik denied that Musk had made the gesture.

When asked about Musk at World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland, German Chancellor Olaf Scholz did not directly address the incident. “We have the freedom of speech in Europe and in Germany. Everyone can say what he wants, even if he is a billionaire,” Scholz said. “What we do not accept is if this is supporting extreme right positions.” (Musk last month voiced his support for Alternative for Germany, a far-right German political party that has been classified by German intelligence as a suspected extremist organization.)

The gesture elicited strong reactions from the president’s political opponents, who argued that the movement was an unwelcome preview of alliances for Trump’s second administration.


“Elon Musk doing Nazi salutes” indicates that “Trump and Musk are showing that they’re not just unfit to lead but antithetical to our basic values as Americans,” Alex Floyd, a rapid response director for the Democratic National Committee, said in a statement.

Musk and the White House did not immediately return requests for comment.

Musk has long used his personal X account to share antisemitic conspiracy theories, often downplaying resulting criticisms with humor.

He has posted memes of Pepe the Frog, a cartoon used by some as a signal of white nationalism, on his X feed and amplified racist conspiracy theories during the ongoing Los Angeles wildfires. In response to a 2023 X post accusing Jewish people of pushing “hatred” against White people, Musk said, “You have said the actual truth.” (Musk later apologized, saying it was the “dumbest” social media post he’s ever made.)

Some right-wing personalities interpreted the gesture as a dog whistle professing that extremist beliefs would be welcome in the White House. “Holy crap … did @elonmusk just Heil Hitler at the Trump Inauguration Rally in Washington D.C. …” Evan Kilgore, a right wing political commentator, said on X. “This is incredible.” Andrew Tate, a controversial influencer, wrote “we’re so back” in response to a clip of the gesture.

Videos and photos of Musk’s gesture ricocheted across Telegram channels popular with far-right extremists, including white nationalists and neo-Nazis, with captions including: “Ok maybe woke really is dead.”

In a Telegram channel for a neo-Nazi and white supremacist hate group, a user juxtaposed an image of Musk’s hand gesture with an image of then-House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-California) taking a knee to honor the life of George Floyd. “AMERICA IN 2020,” read the caption under the Pelosi photo. “AMERICA IN 2025,” read a line under Musk’s salute.

Neo-Nazis were “thrilled” at Musk’s gesture, said Melissa Ryan, author of the Ctrl Alt Right Delete newsletter, which tracks online extremism.

“They have no doubt it was a Nazi salute,” said Ryan, a founding partner of Inviolable Group, which helps advocacy and nonprofit groups build resilience against online attacks from extremists. She added that many have been emboldened by the gesture, interpreting it as a message from Musk that “they’re back in power. They’re going to have carte blanche to do what they want.”

Other X users minimized the gesture, arguing that it was a benign arm movement shoehorned into an incorrect narrative, said Freddy Cruz, a program manager at Western States Center, an Oregon-based anti-extremism watchdog.

Musk reposted photos Tuesday of Democratic leaders, including former president Barack Obama and former vice president Kamala Harris, with their arms raised, implying that they have made the same gesture. But the photos and videos did not reflect Musk’s specific gesture, which involved placing a hand on his heart before forcefully slicing his hand up — twice.

“There’s actively this move to provide cover for Elon Musk,” Freddy Cruz said. “A lot of these are just a series of unfortunate events for a lot of his loyal base and a lot of his followers, which is interesting given how a lot of the far-right leaders are celebrating this.”

Interpreting Musk’s gesture as spur of the moment excitement is odd given his pattern of behavior, said Joan Donovan, founder of the Critical internet Studies Institute, a public interest nonprofit that is studying how extremists are responding to the current political moment. “He loves to embody memes. He loves to be the meme,” she said.

In Germany, where the Nazi salute is outlawed as a remnant of the country’s genocidal past, the salute drew strong reactions. During the Third Reich, government employees were required, and all citizens pressured, to use the “Hitlergruss,” as it’s called in German, to greet one another and express loyalty to the regime that killed 6 million Jews during the Holocaust.

Under Germany’s criminal code, anyone who uses Nazi slogans or gestures — including the salute — can be fined or face up to three years in prison.

Karl Lauterbach, Germany’s health minister, said Musk’s gesture was worrisome considering the billionaire’s “proximity to right-wing populists in the fascist tradition.”

Zeit Online, the digital version of the Germany’s centrist liberal weekly paper Die Zeit, left no room for the interpretation of Musk’s gesture in an article on its site: “A Hitler salute is a Hitler salute is a Hitler salute.”

Despite the online debates on whether it was — or was not — a Nazi salute, Cynthia Miller-Idriss, who runs the Polarization and Extremism Research and Innovation Lab at American University, said Musk’s intent is not as important as how the gesture is being interpreted. White supremacists and neo-Nazis are animated by it, she said, and see it as the acceptance of their hateful views into the mainstream.

“It’s received by people on the white supremacist fringe and neo-Nazis as a legitimation, a normalization … a direct validation of their beliefs,” she said. “That’s the part that is troubling, how it gets received, even if we’ll never know what the meaning was.”
 
Frankly at this point IDK if he's trolling the entire planet or just the dweeb who wants to look cool/badass so he does cringe shit all the time.
Wanna bet he did that just because he wants to shift attention from that fake gamer bullshit people were making fun of?
 
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Frankly at this point IDK if he's trolling the entire planet

"hey 4chan, i did the kek thing you thought was funny 10 years ago"

*constantly inserting himself into an 'anonymous' imageboard that clearly, overwhelmingly thinks hes a retarded and embarrasing sperg...

and in many cases, a ban-happy space Karen whose banned and suspended half of them from X while draping herself in the first amendment….

im going with:
or just the dweeb who wants to look cool/badass so he does cringe shit all the time.
 
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Wanna bet he did that just because he wants to shift attention from that fake gamer bullshit people were making fun of?
That's like the dumbest way he could do it, but then again its Elon we're talking about...
 
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