Embryologists inundated with requests for sperm retrieval from the fallen and dead - Israel has been in contact with Legendary Sperm Hunter, Nicholas J Fuentes

Article: https://www.timesofisrael.com/embry...for-sperm-retrieval-from-the-fallen-and-dead/
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Wives and parents of young men killed since Saturday seek posthumous procedure in bid to preserve legacy of loved ones — but for some, it is too late​


As the scale of the tragedy from the Hamas onslaught on Saturday became clear, with hundreds of young men — both soldiers and civilians — among those killed, embryologists and IVF specialists report being called to quickly try to perform posthumous sperm retrieval (PSR) on an unprecedented scale.

Family members want their loved one’s sperm extracted and frozen in hopes that a child can be conceived from it in the future and for their genetic legacy to live on.

PSR, optimally performed within 24 hours of death, must be done by family court order in the case of an unmarried man. In the case of a married man, a wife can request sperm retrieval and sign the necessary paperwork.

IVF specialists usually extract sperm from healthy men to help them conceive a child with their partner, or from ill men who want to freeze their sperm before undergoing medical treatment.

In speaking with an online publication for the Israeli medical community, Dr. Yael Harir, an embryologist at Kaplan Medical Center in Rehovot, said that she usually does only a couple of PSR procedures a year. Although she declined to give the specific number of procedures done at Kaplan in the last few days, Harir indicated that it was sizable.

“When you have to do this procedure on corpses, the staff finds it difficult physically and emotionally,” she said.

Harir reported being contacted by colleagues at other hospitals asking for guidance on how to do PSR. “There is no protocol for coping with the preservation of sperm in such a large scope. We had to figure out how to cope with the situation and assess what equipment we had to do so many procedures in parallel,” she said.

But for many, it was too late.

Filmmaker Shaylee Atary had hoped that sperm could be retrieved from her husband Yahav Winner, who was murdered by Hamas terrorists when they invaded Kfar Azza on Saturday morning. Winner’s corpse was not found or identified quickly enough for viable sperm to be retrieved.

In speaking with Hebrew media, Atary blamed the delay on cumbersome bureaucracy and on the system for identifying bodies being completely overwhelmed. She claimed she was even asked to pay $1,500 for the posthumous procedure on her husband, who was also a filmmaker.

When Winner’s sperm was eventually retrieved, it turned out that his body’s having been left out in the heat for so long made it unusable.

“The state abandoned my husband’s body,” Atary said.

It was a devastating blow for Atary, who gave birth to a daughter not long ago. She and her husband had planned to have more children.

“My Yahav’s dream was to have a large family, laughing and joyful, playing on the lawns of our magical Kfar Azza. I will not be able to fulfill that,” she said.

PSR burst into the public consciousness with cases like that of Irit and Asher Shahar, whose son Omri, a captain in the Israeli Navy on active duty, was killed in a June 2012 car crash at the age of 25.

The Shahars immediately thought to have Omri’s sperm retrieved. A family court approved the procedure, which has been legal in Israel since 2003 for later insemination or IVF by a surviving female partner.

The Shahars sought to use their son’s sperm to create a grandchild that they would raise, although they were both already in their 50s. They planned to purchase an egg and have a surrogate carry the baby.

In a September 2016 precedent-setting ruling, the Petah Tikvah Family Court allowed the couple to go ahead with their plan. However, the state prepared an appeal linked to the unusual circumstance of the Shahars’ desire to be, in effect, both grandparents and parents to Omri’s offspring. In the meantime, the court issued an injunction preventing Irit and Asher from accessing and using Omer’s stored gametes.

The Shahars suffered an ultimate setback in January 2017, when the state won its appeal in Lod District Court.

There have, however, been cases since 2007 where the parents of fallen soldiers have been allowed to donate their son’s sperm to a woman wanting to become a mother either through insemination or surrogacy. In these cases, the women are raising the children that resulted from the sperm donations.
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Literally sperm extraction from the recently deceased... ... ... manmade horrors beyond our comprehension.
 
How many times do you need to be demonstrated to, that Men are completely disposable in every way the minute they fuck up?
there's an argument to be made before a fuck-up from simply existing
and if death itself was a fuck-up
jesus christ is that a horrible consideration though
 
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Quickly, the cum!

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It'd be one thing if it was a woman who had spoken about wanting a child with their partner but holy shit this really is just a bunch of yenta helicopter moms isn't it? How the fuck do you explain to your grandchild that they're a zombie baby? Reminds me of what happened with that dead asian cop's tiger parents. That's one thing jews and asians have in common. Being consumed with their legacy.
 
“When you have to do this procedure on corpses, the staff finds it difficult physically and emotionally,” she said.
It's like the nurses who were forced to keep Tinslee Lewis alive, despite keeping her alive hurting her a lot and her constantly decompensating.
She claimed she was even asked to pay $1,500 for the posthumous procedure on her husband, who was also a filmmaker.
Is this procedure normally covered under Israeli healthcare? lol. Talk about Jewish privilege, if so.
i mean, does anyone really want their dick milked after death?
I think they use electricity, which sounds marginally better.
 
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Do you ever stop to think how your complete lack of empathy for people is what is fucked up? These people had their families stolen from them, and you're literally chimping out because there's a slim chance that may not be completely true. Your complete ignorance of the understanding between loving spouses also says volumes.


>long paragraph about how this is about you being mad about politics and taking it out by mocking innocent people
>concedes I am right and this is about being grossed out by bodily functions like a child
Yes, clearly this is being grossed out by body functions/sex. Not the ethics of tracking down and harvesting sperm from a corpse. Or the implications for how these women see men (lmao). Thanks for the enlightening conversation, rabbi
 
This war has really brought the weirdos out, hasn't it?
Cadaver sperm harvesting in war zones is a logical next step that's been made possible by modern reproductive biotech and unabashed attitudes of entitlement and self gratification. (And social mores around single motherhood and war itself too, come to think of it.) Anyone can defy Fate and Nature and beget families by artificial means nowadays. Why not the dead too?

And the dead, like the unborn before them, have zero rights or say in the matter.
 
Cadaver sperm harvesting in war zones is a logical next step that's been made possible by modern reproductive biotech and unabashed attitudes of entitlement and self gratification. (And social mores around single motherhood and war itself too, come to think of it.) Anyone can defy Fate and Nature and beget families by artificial means nowadays. Why not the dead too?

And the dead, like the unborn before them, have zero rights or say in the matter.
Nice, how long until someone starts GeneCo and we can send out the Repo Men?
 
And YES, on some level this is normal. The husband can have the sperm frozen for the future including the future in which he is dead, which people routinely do due to terminal illness. You're chimping out at this like the entire idea is foreign and this is 1890.
There's a difference between having a conversation with a loved one, signing consent forms and registering it with the authorities, and what you're suggesting. We have this all over the world for organ donation.
Doing it to a dead body without prior consent or knowledge is fucking dystopian and sick, and like many mentioned to you, opens the door to an extreme lack of ethics. A person does not become property upon death. The spouse becomes caretaker of the corpse, never the owner. You can't own people.
If you're young and your spouse dies, get some fucking therapy and remarry, then have kids with them. Saddling yourself with kids from a dead spouse is a one-way ticket to single parenthood for life.
 
For some reason my brain read the guy's shirt as 'CNN' and that definitely made the image wierder.

This is a sad and kind of unsettling story. I understand that these are people in a traumatic situation facing an abrupt end to the life that they had planned, but this seems like a kind of horrifying knee-jerk reaction to that trauma that I think understandably doesn't sit right with a lot of people. It kind of gives off the same vibes as a lot of the stuff in the Tard Baby General thread when grieving would-be parents go to totally ghoulish lengths to try and preserve a baby that's horrifically incompatible with life... you can understand how a person gets to that point but that doesn't necessarily mean they SHOULD.

Especially sad since it's not like these are people dying in sterile, controlled environments. I'd imagine the lady described here won't be the only one eventually hit with the double whammy of having essentially desecrated a corpse (doesn't Judiasm have some pretty strict rules about post-death custom?) to no viable end.
 
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