Encounters With SJWs/Tumblristas Offline or In Unusual Communities

[Jaimas]

All the feels, Jaimas. Insane ideological echo chambers know no political affiliation. Allow me to offer the commiserating booze of bipartisanship.

Amen to that, old friend. One nice thing about Gamergate is that it's demonstrated not any political crap, but rather the danger of extremism. That bullshit knows no party, respects no authority except its own.

It's the kind of enemy we all need to watch out for.

 

[ChameleonBody]

I think what bothered me the most is that transvestites are not transgender.

Being a transvestite is merely dressing as the opposite sex. They're still cis. The card is just saying that they're skilled enough to be passable.

This is entry level LGBT stuff.

I've seen students trying to argue that "transvestite" is a slur or at least a "problematic" word. Because it was used to wrongly refer to transgender people before the psychology of transgenderism was completely understood/accepted. Trying to see the logic behind and miserably failing. Other than muh feelings > freedom of speech. Of course this was from a guy who thinks that transvestites shouldn't exist at all because they're disrespectful to transgender people apparently. Totally bonkers.

 

[Butta Face Lopez]

Every time I see the word "problematic" now it makes me think of some dystopian future society where it's used by whatever powers that be as a reason to make "undesirables" disappear.

 

[Meowthkip]

I've seen students trying to argue that "transvestite" is a slur or at least a "problematic" word. Because it was used to wrongly refer to transgender people before the psychology of transgenderism was completely understood/accepted. Trying to see the logic behind and miserably failing. Other than muh feelings > freedom of speech. Of course this was from a guy who thinks that transvestites shouldn't exist at all because they're disrespectful to transgender people apparently. Totally bonkers.

That's fucking dumb.

Much love to all the transvestites out there, passable or otherwise, you're beautiful people and don't let yourselves get discouraged by a bunch of teenagers giving you shit on the internet about you being transphobic, mwah mwah.

Bitches be trippin'.

 

[Boundman]

Every time I see the word "problematic" now it makes me think of some dystopian future society where it's used by whatever powers that be as a reason to make "undesirables" disappear.

'Problematic' always struck me as something of a threat. Like if someone said "Hey, what you just said is problematic." to me, I've always felt it inferred 'Hey, you better take back what you just said or I'm going to accuse you of racism/sexism/phobias and turn everyone against you!'.

 

[harvey dirdban]

White men also invented the internet- I think they should stop using it and make their own separate internet. like the DPRK, but more inclusive. Like the DPRK.

Yeah but the computer itself was invented by a gay, posthumously-armchair-diagnosed autistic guy so that cancels out.

 

[Cavity Sam]

My first encounter was around a year or so ago. I called my little sister a 'spazz' while she was chasing me around a park and this woman walked up to me and shouted "That's an ableist term, how dare you call an innocent child that??"
I didn't say anything back, I just picked up my sister and walked out of the park. I was bewildered. I meant to say 'spazz' in a silly, teasing way to my kid sister, and to have a creepy stranger twist it on me was REALLY disturbing. I remember my entire day was kinda ruined after that-- she was so abrasive.

That was the first time I heard the term 'ableist'.

A recent time was when some exfiend (who has a newly found agendered identity) was looking at Renaissance art and groaned, "Why are there so many WHITE MALE people??" I thought that was hilarious.

 

[Meowthkip]

My first encounter was around a year or so ago. I called my little sister a 'spazz' while she was chasing me around a park and this woman walked up to me and shouted "That's an ableist term, how dare you call an innocent child that??"
I didn't say anything back, I just picked up my sister and walked out of the park. I was bewildered. I meant to say 'spazz' in a silly, teasing way to my kid sister, and to have a creepy stranger twist it on me was REALLY disturbing. I remember my entire day was kinda ruined after that-- she was so abrasive.

That was the first time I heard the term 'ableist'.

A recent time was when some exfiend (who has a newly found agendered identity) was looking at Renaissance art and groaned, "Why are there so many WHITE MALE people??" I thought that was hilarious.

"Spaz" doesn't have the same connotation it does in the U.S. as it does in the UK, where it specifically is a slur against people with cerebral palsy. In the U.S. it mostly just means somebody who is manic or neurotic.

It depends where you are, really.

 

[Cavity Sam]

"Spaz" doesn't have the same connotation it does in the U.S. as it does in the UK, where it specifically is a slur against people with cerebral palsy. In the U.S. it mostly just means somebody who is manic or neurotic.

It depends where you are, really.

I was in Los Angeles at the time, and I grew up with kids calling each other spaz all the time-- I never heard it to be offensive before. This lady seemed to be from the area but maybe had family from the UK or something. She still shouldn't shout at strangers though.
That's an interesting tidbit of info though, Thanks!

 

[OBAMATRON]

I've never met any of these people IRL. Thank God. The white male european God.

 

[Sinner's Sandwich]

Once I was active in certain tumblr fandoms because I like fanart/fanfictions and so on. But then I noticed the insane SJW. I think criticism is totally ok when it comes to movies, comics and so on. But holy shit the world doesn't end just because there are no black Hobbits/elves in lord of the rings, There is criticism and then there is tumblr insanity.

Also I fucking hate this "Lets apply non canon genders, disorders, sexualities and so on to fictional characters and throw tantrums when someone uses the "wrong" pronoun. Like wtf. What has this to do with social justice? What has this to do with helping minorities?? These people are clearly mentally ill and I guess "social justice" is a power trip for them. Fictional characters can't speak for themselves so SJW do it for them.

That's why they get angry when you call Gwyndolin from Darksouls or Chiaki from Dangron Ronpa"he" (no joke). Also wtf is it with SJWs and Dangon Ronpa? I guess it's everything that has androgyne/gender nonconforming characters.

Jojos bizarre adventure, the hobbit, Dangan Ronpa, Darksouls...I even saw someone using BERSERK and cis in the same sentence. Uuuugh. There is also a fucking blog where all of the Phoenix Wright characters are...you guessed it - trans of course.

Sorry for the rant but seriously these people are crazy.

 

[Meowthkip]

Once I was active in certain tumblr fandoms because I like fanart/fanfictions and so on. But then I noticed the insane SJW. I think criticism is totally ok when it comes to movies, comics and so on. But holy shit the world doesn't end just because there are no black Hobbits/elves in lord of the rings, There is criticism and then there is tumblr insanity.

Also I fucking hate this "Lets apply non canon genders, disorders, sexualities and so on to fictional characters and throw tantrums when someone uses the "wrong" pronoun. Like wtf. What has this to do with social justice? What has this to do with helping minorities?? These people are clearly mentally ill and I guess "social justice" is a power trip for them. Fictional characters can't speak for themselves so SJW do it for them.

That's why they get angry when you call Gwyndolin from Darksouls or Chiaki from Dangron Ronpa"he" (no joke). Also wtf is it with SJWs and Dangon Ronpa? I guess it's everything that has androgyne/gender nonconforming characters.

Jojos bizarre adventure, the hobbit, Dangan Ronpa, Darksouls...I even saw someone using BERSERK and cis in the same sentence. Uuuugh. There is also a fucking blog where all of the Phoenix Wright characters are...you guessed it - trans of course.

Sorry for the rant but seriously these people are crazy.

It really feels like a fetishization of the "other." For every transgender kid that was just exploring an AU, there's a hundred genderspecials looking to inject this "otherness" into their own fandoms to display how very progressive they are.

It just comes off a patronizing and creepy.

 

[ToroidalBoat]

It really feels like a fetishization of the "other."

Interesting because I've seen a few extremely politically correct people complain about stuff that should be inherently harmless to most (like enjoying the exotic or what they label as "cultural appropriation") as "othering".

 

[Meowthkip]

Interesting because I've seen a few extremely politically correct people complain about stuff that should be inherently harmless to most (like enjoying the exotic or what they label as "cultural appropriation") as "othering".

It's okay when they do it, though!

 

[Ravenor]

Interesting because I've seen a few extremely politically correct people complain about stuff that should be inherently harmless to most (like enjoying the exotic or other cultures) as "othering".

I have never understood that, I mean seriously having a go at some one because they like something from another culture. Be it food, music or art it's appropriation if you partake of it if your from the west, you would think they would like to make sure that thing's that are not "normal" in western society are experienced by more people as racism is fear of the other and one thing that reduces fear is familiarity.

 

[ToroidalBoat]

Lemme guess Meowthkip, it has something to do with the words "privilege" and "oppression", right?

I pretty much already said this in the SJW thread, but I think most* would say that it's discriminatory that one is automatically responsible for the misdeeds of others in their ethnic group, ancestors in said group, or because of their sexuality. Even if one is straight and white. For example, they* would say it's unjust for a Spaniard in Barcelona today to be automatically held accountable for the actions of the conquistadors 500 years ago.

In the world of Star Trek, they thought that way:

If I may, Captain? Objection, your honour. In the year 2036, the new United Nations declared that no Earth citizen could be made to answer for the crimes of his race or forbears.

one thing that reduces fear is familiarity.

So you're saying that restricting using other cultures and enjoying the exotic because "cultural appropriation" and "exoticism" and "othering" actually increases fear of others and racism because of the segregation?

*(and myself as well)

 

[Jaimas]

So one time, back in 2008, my friend Mark and I were fucking around smacking one another, when Mark decided to make a game out of it. He suddenly got this REALLY SERIOUS look on his face and said, with complete seriousness:

"I've got Cancer."

A moment of awkward silence passes. Mark pokes my arm.

"Now you've got Cancer."

From that moment, the two of us moved on to fucking around as we headed uptown, playing a game of Cancer Tag as we hurried to meet a mutual friend of ours for lunch and then a trip to the movies. One of our other mutual acquaintances, however, overheard out game of Cancer Tag and took offense, bitching us out loudly for our trangression of insensativity, and hearing no argument as to us just light-heartedly fucking around. Finally, dispirited and defeated, Mark sadly said we would not play Cancer Tag anymore.

At this point, I poked Mark's shoulder.

"...You've got AIDS, now."

Cue more screaming. Surprising exactly no one, the mutual acquaintance that yelled at us over Cancer Tag is a raging SJW now.

 

[Ravenor]

So one time, back in 2008, my friend Mark and I were fucking around smacking one another, when Mark decided to make a game out of it. He suddenly got this REALLY SERIOUS look on his face and said, with complete seriousness:

"I've got Cancer."

A moment of awkward silence passes. Mark pokes my arm.

"Now you've got Cancer."

From that moment, the two of us moved on to fucking around as we headed uptown, playing a game of Cancer Tag as we hurried to meet a mutual friend of ours for lunch and then a trip to the movies. One of our other mutual acquaintances, however, overheard out game of Cancer Tag and took offense, bitching us out loudly for our trangression of insensativity, and hearing no argument as to us just light-heartedly fucking around. Finally, dispirited and defeated, Mark sadly said we would not play Cancer Tag anymore.

At this point, I poked Mark's shoulder.

"...You've got AIDS, now."

Cue more screaming. Surprising exactly no one, the mutual acquaintance that yelled at us over Cancer Tag is a raging SJW now.

I have lost count of the number of Beer's I owe you Sir, I am adding another one to the list for creativity in the face of a Wild SJW.

 

[Meowthkip]

Lemme guess Meowthkip, it has something to do with the words "privilege" and "oppression", right?

Something along those lines. Either they think the best way to support transgender people is to draw a bunch of male cartoon characters in binders while crying or they're all aceflux demiboys or whatever.

As I said in another thread, I think most would say that it's discriminatory that one is automatically responsible for the misdeeds of their ethnic group, ancestors in said group, or sexuality (especially if one is straight and white). For example, they would say it's unjust for a Spaniard in Barcelona today to be held accountable for the actions of the conquistadors 500 years ago.

In the world of Star Trek, they thought that way:



So you're saying that restricting using other cultures and enjoying the exotic because "cultural appropriation" and "exoticism" and "othering" actually increases fear of others and racism because of the segregation?

While a lot of advantages that whites and males have in society are the result of the bigoted actions of society in the past, I really don't think it's constructive to hate those people in the present who did nothing to contribute to those institutions. It just creates feelings of guilt, which are counterproductive, or creates bitter racists. No one should have to account for the sins of their fathers.

And yeah, pretty much. There are cases where something in a culture is sacred and it's disrespectful for outsiders to waltz right in and lay claim to it, but most people are pretty eager to share their culture with others. Having an appreciation for other cultures is a cool thing. So long as you're chill and not disrespectful, you're pretty good.

 

[ToroidalBoat]

And yeah, pretty much.

I also mentioned it in the SJW thread, but the Wikipedia article on cultural appropriation has a criticism of the concept being bad section, but it also mentions that critics of said criticism argue that it omits stuff like colonialism. I'd say that holding someone as automatically accountable for any colonialism and oppression by others of one's race is an example of being held automatically accountable for stuff other people did that you didn't*.

*(and that's assuming that a claims of oppression or colonialism is valid)