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Wait, so people that financially support the developer don’t get a key? What? In what fucking universe does that make sense? Most of the Patreon funded games are free with early builds being the backer incentive, but how the fuck would this work for a game made to be sold. And what developer is that pithy with someone who Gives Them Money?
Most millennial indie developers buy the line that gamers are 'entitled' thanks to game journos. The problem is that gaming is not a different industry than like say, selling a car or an appliance. Its like if a luxury car advertises 'This is going to be the best thing ever, have GPS, four wheel drive, and everything!' and the guy shows up with a fucking pacer, nobody is going to call you entitled. The problem is that these dumb faggots think the industry works differently. It doesn't. Gamers don't give a shit about being called entitled. Most don't give a shit at being called anything anymore.
Everyone in this hobby, as I've seen, has been treated like dirt. Corporations, developers, publishers, its own fucking media. They all believe that gamers are entitled and should shut the fuck up and be good little pay piggies. Nigger, you're not a hot lady and I don't give money to thots or dumb faggots. These developers literally believe they're entitled to this money. I mean, they just exposed their true colors. 'Pay us no matter what, fuck you.' For what? A shitter version of Stardew Valley? No.
The reason why companies, media, developers treat gamers like shit is because they believe they're entitled to our money and that we should shut the fuck up and be thankful for what we've got and let them handle everything that they give us. I mean, in the past gamers would buy fucking anything. The problem is once you get fucked over so much, you basically just stop buying. And that's what we see happening. We're told we should blindly accept being fucked over.
The gaming community is 'toxic' they say. Good. Fuck you cunts. I'll decide with my wallet who gets my money. I'm giving less and less of a fuck about these 'poor indie developers'. Eat out of the trash. You deserve it.
I say we should stay toxic as long as necessary. They want our money? Earn it. As far as I'm concerned, very very few developers and publishers lately have deserved any payment from me. And I will pirate every Epic exclusive. Because fuck Tim Sweeny.
Amen. Anyone with the slightest bit of knowledge on how marketing works knows that you really, really don't want to piss off your customers in any way possible. MN9's famous "Make the bad guys cry like an anime fan on prom night" became a meme because of how it insulted the audience, despite its intention to be a playful jab. Ooblets, though, wow. If I worked on that game, I'd distance myself from it as much as possible, pulling whatever assets I contributed if I could, or having them attributed to Alan Smithee.
That thing you said about how he seems like he just received a check for more money than he's ever had in his life is sticking with me. Perplamps is acting like such an arrogant assclown because he just hit the jackpot, but reality is going to fuck him sideways when he wakes up one day to find all his money's gone, his reputation is tarnished, and his game isn't selling at all. It's a lot like those lottery winners that get rich overnight, go nuts, and burn it all, often ending up bankrupt or in prison.
So he might just be the newest lolcow. We should keep an eye on his antics.
Mighty Number 9 was extremely passive aggressive because it hired a cunt who fucked her way into the company and basically destroyed any good-will it had. But it was also run extraordinarily shittily as well. The ad campaign was a cherry on top of the shit sandwich and it basically brought the entire game down because of all the mistakes they made. It was hyped before, people lost interest, it got such a bad name nobody bought it.
I mean, the lucky thing is that if you're working on the game, nobody is going to remember anyone except the head dev and his company. That's the silver lining here. Oh, he definitely did. I have no doubt a lot of indies feel this way and a ton must be chomping at the bit to get some of that sweet Epic welfare check. That's literally what it is. Its fucking welfare. They didn't earn that money. Ever notice how all of these indies never tell you how exactly they're going to make the game better? Because they're doing what the publishers do, just giving it to themselves.
If a person works for something, it has value. I worked hard for the shit I own. But if its just given, you can treat it like shit, because you didn't invest any energy in getting it. If I give somebody a Ferrari and they wreck it, they might be upset, but they'll just shrug their shoulders at the end of the day, because I just plopped it in their lap. Contrast this with a guy who worked years for it, and they'll treat it like a child.
At the end of the day, I think for indies, that's what this Epic money is going to do. There's going to be this assumption that they deserved and earned it. So they're not really going to work any harder. Why would they? Would you? Fuck no. You basically got paid for an entire year's worth of sales. How hard are you REALLY going to work on that game now? Are you going to look at it and go 'Wow, we can do even more features!', rolling the dice and spending some of that check you got, or are you just going to do the bare minimum and churn out what you promised? Human nature informs me the latter. Just look at the way they're treating people who supported them. You think these people are going to put the effort in? No.
That's another difference between Epic exclusives and First Party Exclusives like Sony or Nintendo. With Epic, you don't have to answer to anyone. They just hand you a fucking check and shrug. Sweeny genuinely believes developers are going to make him 'win' over Valve instead of the people who buy things. So there's basically no strings attached. They're NEVER going to meet sales goals on Epic, so that money is going to kick in.
First party exclusives are paid for by corporations. They expect results for their money. They're held down by deadlines, quality and sales data. They need an audience and they're not given blank checks. They have to earn every cent. And if they don't cut it, they're cut loose.
A lot of these indies are really deluding themselves by fucking over their backers and customers over Epic welfare. They're going to have to constantly rely on Epic to pay for their games. And Epic's reputation is sinking lower with each new exclusive they acquire. I didn't think anything could be as bad as the Shenmue III debacle. This is far, far worse.
Even if you were an Epic user, would you buy this after seeing their attitude?