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and allow epic to claim they're friendly to devs. they're only getting sympathy bucks from retarded journalists though
Epic Games General Thread - Its time to talk about what the AAA gaming industry does not understand about the PC console.
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to summarize the whole situation
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I wonder if devs cried because Epic producers or even CEO had a tough talk with them. They can talk all they want about bad gamers and support in public, but i dont think Epic was sweet and supportive in a private chat with devs.
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this talk about "we support the devs" means jack shit if you piss off all the customers and they leave
sorry, but i'd be willing to take a cut just so i can get more people to find my product
to buy my product without their credit card companies freaking out because epic is too lazy to make a cart
and epic can baby all the devs they want, but if no one buys the games, it means shit
it's like chopping all the limbs off a tree and getting angry that the tree is dying
sorry, but i'd be willing to take a cut just so i can get more people to find my product
to buy my product without their credit card companies freaking out because epic is too lazy to make a cart
and epic can baby all the devs they want, but if no one buys the games, it means shit
it's like chopping all the limbs off a tree and getting angry that the tree is dying
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that's the point. they assumed people would come for the small indies or the free games. and then a different kind of more generic people would show up for ones like borderlands 3. which isn't a bad strategy, people will come for the games. it is a shit strategy when you alienate literally every potential user by calling them assholes though.
timed exclusives are like demonetising a youtube video for its first day. people stop caring once that's up and then you make no money.
honestly if devs complain about it being too expensive to put stuff on steam they can just use game jolt. shit's freecan't wait when game journos will say that new steam thing is anti-dev, and poor indie devs can't use steam to promote their games here before moving to epic store
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All of these indie morons have to do is say something like "We took the Epic deal because we are a small team and it ensures we can continue to make games in the future. We know many of you have issues with the Epic store, but please understand and continue to support us."
Read the room you goddamn idiots. People will still be pissy, but there will be way less kicking and screaming if you toss the customers a softball
Read the room you goddamn idiots. People will still be pissy, but there will be way less kicking and screaming if you toss the customers a softball
Good. Stay off Steam if you're just gonna use it for free advertising before jumping ship.
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What's funny is that, up until this point, only a few developers acted somewhat brash when taking the deal, and they were usually either AAA companies or Indies working on a relatively recent fan-funded project. This dev just happened to have a history of doing this for 4 years, and felt the need to take the kick out of people, victim blaming, when things didn't go his way, then backpedaling and saying "Guys they sent me mean words and death threats, and I'd been crying, it was just a JOKE GUYS". Despite the fact that not only could he just ignore it, but he also could've just said it was a bit too harsh in the blog post after the fact.
Instead, he decided to find a red herring, run with it, and gain the attention of media outlets that'll just as quickly support you, then sent you to the hounds when they feel that they've pushed their narrative hard enough.
But because of one dude doing one thing, suddenly it now paints a picture that this is all the Epic Games Store controversy is and that it's some deep undercover movement out to spite-fuck the industry and all developers (
Thing is nobody's buying it, the Ooblets' dev is yesterday's news to anyone not following it, and anyone who was going to buy or continue to support the game has now been completely put off from ever doing so again (even if it's just over the fear of controversy or tangential involvement).
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To ever so slightly shift gears to another Epic games exclusive... i have never heard of this guy as i stopped following Borderlands after, y'know, Anthony Burch. I was momentarily interested in 3, and then they announced that was gonna be Epic Exclusive too, so fuck that.
So... let's play pretend game. Say you're a games publisher. There's a guy who figured out to follow your private Twitch account because you fucked up and showed it on public stream. Then you use that compromised account to stream Borderlands 3 before its out. Then let's say potentially there's a Youtuber who uses that content to create hype and rumors that might positively affect sales.
What would you do in this situation?
A: Nothing.
B: Send them an email asking them not to show the private content.
C: Cease and Desist letter
D: Falsely copyright strike 7 of their videos, ensure that their Discord account, and channel gets removed, and send 2 private investigators to antagonize and question them.
Can you guess what Take Two did?
So... let's play pretend game. Say you're a games publisher. There's a guy who figured out to follow your private Twitch account because you fucked up and showed it on public stream. Then you use that compromised account to stream Borderlands 3 before its out. Then let's say potentially there's a Youtuber who uses that content to create hype and rumors that might positively affect sales.
What would you do in this situation?
A: Nothing.
B: Send them an email asking them not to show the private content.
C: Cease and Desist letter
D: Falsely copyright strike 7 of their videos, ensure that their Discord account, and channel gets removed, and send 2 private investigators to antagonize and question them.
Can you guess what Take Two did?
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This had better blow up online because this is absolutely horrendous.
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Has the entire game industry just collectively decided to become stupid, because anyone with even an Iota of a brain cell could see that basically torching some semi popular YouTuber over some video would be extremely bad PR.
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We're overdue for another crash to teach these cocksuckers a lesson.
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Japan alone seems to remember the saying don't shit where you eat.
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except for their complete disregard for fair use on youtube and the like.
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Well, keep wishing Im sure itll eventually come once Jesus rides from the heavens on a magic pony.
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Because making games is "Fun" and trendy, as opposed to working at a Uhaul.> Telling a potential customer willing to support your product "nobody owes you the game!"
Why?, why are these people even making games?
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Borderlands 3: Take-Two Addresses Investigation Into Streamer Leaks -…
archived 7 Aug 2019 20:56:09 UTC
Borderlands 3 YouTube Channel Investigated by 2K For Leaks Disappears - IGN
Following the rise of a #BoycottBorderlands3 social media trend, Take-Two has confirmed its investigation into leaked Borderlands 3 materials.
As a reminder, this isn't the first time they've done something like this. In 2014 they sent several "goons" to someone's house to beat a YouTuber up who was exploiting a glitch in the game instead of actually fixing the glitch, and again in 2015 when they forced entry into a modder's house and smashed his computer, all because he was making a mod for GTA V's Offline Mode that amounted to rebuilding Vice City.
EDIT: A couple of Epic shills are out in full-force today.
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I might be wrong on this, but I don't think that YouTuber posted the hashtag. I'm fairly certain that was somebody else, and he just supported it.
Burned I say.
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KanaPostsonKiwi
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Oh yes, the illegal video of public streaming on twitch. Oh yes, the "trade secrets" of video footage of the game that wasn't specifically polished to be showcased to the world for a marketing purpose.
Legally speaking, even if i took the source code of Borderlands 3, and leaked it right now, i would not be guilty of anything had i been able to access it through legal pathways, that's to say reverse engineering a copy that was sent to me by accident or the devs publically dropping the code for some reason. Despite some idiotic publishers claiming so, there is no such a thing as a patent or a formally recognized trade secret when it comes to software.
Sure, the term "software patent" often gets thrown around in the legal wonderland of the US when patent trolling happens (often by Apple), but it's not a legally recognized concept, and even if you had complete set of propietary software from the ground up, including engine, toolkits and complete programming languages that you as a company had commissioned or even made, you would not be able to patent them or seek any legal restrictions for them.
The term "trade secret" gets thrown around as if it means something here, but there is no legal precedent for protecting software trade secrets anywhere in the world that i could find with an hour of looking. Someone taking your "trade secret" does not bestow you any rights to any action, but paying someone to intimidate an individual does open you up to even a class action lawsuit.
Legally speaking, even if i took the source code of Borderlands 3, and leaked it right now, i would not be guilty of anything had i been able to access it through legal pathways, that's to say reverse engineering a copy that was sent to me by accident or the devs publically dropping the code for some reason. Despite some idiotic publishers claiming so, there is no such a thing as a patent or a formally recognized trade secret when it comes to software.
Sure, the term "software patent" often gets thrown around in the legal wonderland of the US when patent trolling happens (often by Apple), but it's not a legally recognized concept, and even if you had complete set of propietary software from the ground up, including engine, toolkits and complete programming languages that you as a company had commissioned or even made, you would not be able to patent them or seek any legal restrictions for them.
The term "trade secret" gets thrown around as if it means something here, but there is no legal precedent for protecting software trade secrets anywhere in the world that i could find with an hour of looking. Someone taking your "trade secret" does not bestow you any rights to any action, but paying someone to intimidate an individual does open you up to even a class action lawsuit.
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Stealing trade secrets is not only a tort but a crime under certain circumstances.
If someone steals trade secrets and posts them on the Internet or in a newspaper or they fall off a truck or whatever, though, they're no longer trade secrets and anyone who comes across them can use them freely, so long as they didn't solicit or collude in the misappropriation. The lawsuit/federal prosecution would be for the one who actually stole them.
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This is very specifically a thing about software, not trade secrets in general. There is nothing protecting any programming legally as it's impossible to prove, and someone else might've just used the exact same methodology before.