Epic Games General Thread - Its time to talk about what the AAA gaming industry does not understand about the PC console.

[CreamyHerman’s]

What we have now is all multiplats and indies.
I can't even think of a single modern PC exclusive that isn't an indie game or from an area where PC gaming has always reigned supreme.

I guess at least multiplats run better now since consoles and PCs have become much more similar platforms to develop for.

That's what I'm getting at. Japanese games were practically non-existent at the time on western PCs, save for a Korean mmo here and there. When RE 5 and DMC4 was released on steam, I was shocked. Nowadays there are same day releases for Japanese titles now, and it's great.

But surely not Sony PlayStation exclusive

I think @secretasshole is conflating stores with kiosks at various outlet malls back in the day tbh

 

[byuu]

That's what I'm getting at. Japanese games were practically non-existent at the time on western PCs, save for a Korean mmo here and there. When RE 5 and DMC4 was released on steam, I was shocked. Nowadays there are same day releases for Japanese titles now, and it's great.

Actually, there were more than people think.
MGS 1 & 2, every main Resident Evil game (but I very much regret 4, I've never seen a worse port), FF 7 and 8, are all games I played on PC.

But anyway, this has more to do with how easy it is to develop for consoles and PCs now.
Once the Japanese ported games to the 360, more and more games were also ported to PC.
They still can't into PC gaming - none of these games are designed with a PC in mind.

 

[OmnipotentStupidity]

Actually, there were more than people think.
MGS 1 & 2, every main Resident Evil game (but I very much regret 4, I've never seen a worse port), FF 7 and 8, are all games I played on PC.

Quick anecdote: Metal Gear Solid 1 and 2 were never, and still aren't, available to play on PC unless you're emulating them. Are you sure you're not thinking of Metal Gear and Metal Gear 2 for MSX?

 

[byuu]

Quick anecdote: Metal Gear Solid 1 and 2 were never, and still aren't, available to play on PC unless you're emulating them. Are you sure you're not thinking of Metal Gear and Metal Gear 2 for MSX?

No.

 

[OmnipotentStupidity]

No.

Oh right, the janky ports of 1 and 2 that severely gimped/broke the game, completely removed the Psycho Mantis section because it required PS infrastructure to work correctly, and required you to download separate executables to even access the VR missions, to the point they got completely wiped from existence...keep forgetting about those.

 

[CreamyHerman’s]

Actually, there were more than people think.
MGS 1 & 2, every main Resident Evil game (but I very much regret 4, I've never seen a worse port), FF 7 and 8, are all games I played on PC.

But anyway, this has more to do with how easy it is to develop for consoles and PCs now.
Once the Japanese ported games to the 360, more and more games were also ported to PC.
They still can't into PC gaming - none of these games are designed with a PC in mind.

But here's the thing: a lot of the japanese ports were inferior to the console version and released later than the console version. Hell, Silent Hill 2 on PC is inferior to the Xbox version. Because they didn't want to put in the effort on PC if nobody was going to buy them on the same scale on console. If there wasn't a large platform like steam I doubt we would get a proper Ace Combat game on PC or definitive ports like Vanquish/Bayonetta.

 

[Oh Shit I'm Sorry]

Hold up. What? Pretty much every media, even non gaming related ones, have pocked fun and criticized him. From his bold face lying after the release of Alien Colonial Marines, to his fascination with "magic tricks", his very short lived controversy of him posting "animal abuse", the melt down over PC gamer, and so on, and so on, and so on. The dude is a gold mine for clicks. Even with EGS specific stuff there was plenty of reporting on the people getting flagged as scammers during the EGS sale, the security concern/tencens involvement and just general criticism over missed features. What i will say is that the mainstream gaming media will take any chance to criticize "toxic gamers" but they'll do that rather they're yelling about EGS, EA, Bioware, anyone.

That's Pitchford, not Sweeney you baka retard.

 

[ltlftp]

Now while i agree it is scummy there is already a history of things like things like this happening. Again, Rockstar, textbook example, they were paid money by...microsoft i think? To get a 6 month exclusivity deal for the Xbox and yes this also affected the PC . It didn't shater the gaming ecosystem then, it certainly won't shatter it now.

I assume you're thinking of the GTA4 expansions as that is the only game Rockstar had last gen that was exclusive to one console that I can recall. However it's a situation like I was describing earlier, nothing like the current Epic garbage. The GTA4 expansions were announced as 360 exclusive before the base game ever came out. Long before it came out actually. It wasn't something that happened just a few months before the game was about to be in people's hands.

Regardless, I was never really arguing that it would shatter the gaming ecosystem or anything like that anyway. Actually my only other post in this thread before responding to you was saying that I think Epic's strategy is pretty bad. I just don't see any of what they're doing right now working out in the long term. They're blowing way too much money on what is essentially a gamble with this "exclusive" stuff. But more importantly they have over 1000 employees now, most of which are working on fortnite according to them. That kind of number is really not going to be sustainable forever yet they are not slowing down recruitment.

 

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I am arguing for a third option. It may require some inconvenience, but in the long run it will be better than what we have. The third option is to stop relying on steam to be your social gaming center and use other launchers like Uplay, Games for Windows, something similar(NOT EPIC), and encourage other developers to develop their own launchers.

GOG Galaxy is the only non-Steam launcher worth considering using. Change my mind.

 

[CricketyCrikes]

It was sizeable, yes. But if you were to compare the PC scene prior to 2009 to now, that would be equal to how you can measure Pluto to Jupiter, and yes it does matter. Before 2009 it was pretty ass. We really only had 4 landmark titles between 2004 and 2007 that pushed PC's and they were at some point ported to consoles to appeal to that audience. They didn't make their money back on PC because of how niche that audience was at the time. 2009 saw the explosion of Steam as a viable platform for various developers and creators as a hub to buy games, form communities and just making the entire platform as a whole to get into. Gave himself said that piracy was primarily a service issue, and pretty much made piracy up until recently a moot point. It does matter.

I'm just gonna put this very simply. Do you think those games were developed like that because they were going to be put on PC or do you think those games were put on PC because they were developed like that? Now you can do more or less one to one ports today but in early ps3/Xbox360 days and before that you used to have entire development teams who's console "ports" would really just be their own game because the original would not be in any way portable to console.

I assume you're thinking of the GTA4 expansions as that is the only game Rockstar had last gen that was exclusive to one console that I can recall. However it's a situation like I was describing earlier, nothing like the current Epic garbage. The GTA4 expansions were announced as 360 exclusive before the base game ever came out. Long before it came out actually. It wasn't something that happened just a few months before the game was about to be in people's hands.

Perhaps i'm mis-remembering but i distinctly recall GTA4 being announced for xbox 360 early then PS3 got it a few months later. Then that exclusivity deal was later extended after the game was released for the expansions though it was before we knew what the expansions were. I get your points, they're pretty good ones. While i agree that initial rush to make games exclusive was a super bad move on their part people seem to get ass mad even when something like Borderlands 3 became an exclusive or some indie game mid-development decided to go exclusive. It's just people being mad for the sake of being mad at that point.

Greenman gaming is a keyseller, despite them shipping actual game boxes. Ok then.
Humble Bundle is a keyseller, despite from the very start having their own downloads for games that don't incorporate a storefront. Sounds about right. They also have their own store nowadays, so that point is even more special.

GOG has exclusivity of those titles because the titles used to be abandonware. GOG used to stand for "good old games", and their market revolved entirely on contacting the developers of games that would not work correctly on modern machines (as mentioned above), and putting in the work with the developers to make them function properly. I'm sure this is news to you though, and you just assume this is in any way comparable to epic games. I also own more than 300 titles from the time when it was called "good old games", so sure, i really couldn't give a toss about them.

Yeah, they're key sellers. They sell keys for EGS and Steam and Uplay and Origin and GOG etc etc. Great they also send boxes which i'm sure have keys for steam or EGS or origin or whatever,but my point stands. These aren't greenmangaming keys for the greenman gaming store.
I've bought several games from humble bundle and they literally just give a key, they e-mail a key for steam. Yes they have a store front now, guess what they sell in the store front, keys. I assume you haven't actually used any of the stores you mentioned and just did a quick google search.

I don't care if it's comparable to EGS or not. You were simply wrong in saying they don't do exclusives.

But here's the thing: a lot of the japanese ports were inferior to the console version and released later than the console version. Hell, Silent Hill 2 on PC is inferior to the Xbox version. Because they didn't want to put in the effort on PC if nobody was going to buy them on the same scale on console. If there wasn't a large platform like steam I doubt we would get a proper Ace Combat game on PC or definitive ports like Vanquish/Bayonetta.

I think you're starting to conflate markets now. Japan has always been a massive market for consoles over PC. That is still true now although there has been a marginal shift. Those ports weren't bad because there wasn't a large western market for PC gaming, those ports were bad because Japanese devs didn't care for PC in general and they hardly develope with export in mind.

 

[Suck the Cock]

I'm not gonna bother putting the Mad on the Internet tag on basically every post in the past 2 pages, but this sperging would deserve it. How did we even get into Origin or GOG? Because one lolcow tries to make a shitty defense? Just stick to China shitposting, it's what we're good at. It doesn't matter how many other sites exist, and it doesn't matter how bad they are, the EGS is trash. If it was better than Steam, it'd still be trash. Because that's what trash is, it's not a zero-sum game. Defending exclusivity because there's more context makes you look like an idiot with arbitrary rules.

 

[KanaPostsonKiwi]

I'm just gonna put this very simply. Do you think those games were developed like that because they were going to be put on PC or do you think those games were put on PC because they were developed like that? Now you can do more or less one to one ports today but in early ps3/Xbox360 days and before that you used to have entire development teams who's console "ports" would really just be their own game because the original would not be in any way portable to console.

"PC games are developed to work best with PC, this is bad, you guys". Can you get any smarter than this? And no, you can't do one-to-one ports, because the control schemes, hardware, user interfaces et.c. are vastly different. You could do one-to-one ports for Xbone and PS4 (which are underpowered PCs with controllers), but the moment you get Switch or PC you have significantly higher accessibility.

Yeah, they're key sellers. They sell keys for EGS and Steam and Uplay and Origin and GOG etc etc. Great they also send boxes which i'm sure have keys for steam or EGS or origin or whatever,but my point stands. These aren't greenmangaming keys for the greenman gaming store.
I've bought several games from humble bundle and they literally just give a key, they e-mail a key for steam. Yes they have a store front now, guess what they sell in the store front, keys. I assume you haven't actually used any of the stores you mentioned and just did a quick google search.

You are a very smart boy, and i'm sure your mother is very proud of you. Everyone else can see that you're an idiot, however. Green man gaming has always sold games as retail. They have never once been a key seller unless the title is explicitly digital sale only. By your galaxy brain logic Gamestop is a key seller, because you can input the CD Key (if any) on Steam and it'll accept it.

Oh, they literally just give a key? What's the deal with all of this shit then?

Is it a 1.5Gb download for a key? That's one big-ass fucking key. Do they expect you to type it down in entirety? Copying a string of that size might crash the clipboard.
In fact, i couldn't find a single thing in my library there that didn't have the download option.

What sort of chinese knock-off humble bundle do you use? They never email keys to anyone else.

I don't care if it's comparable to EGS or not.

Tattoo this on your ass backwards so you can look at your own words in the mirror. Maybe one day you'll realize what you just said.

I think you're starting to conflate markets now. Japan has always been a massive market for consoles over PC. That is still true now although there has been a marginal shift. Those ports weren't bad because there wasn't a large western market for PC gaming, those ports were bad because Japanese devs didn't care for PC in general and they hardly develope with export in mind.

いいえ、てめえは精神薄弱だ。 Japan has an absolutely massive PC scene, and console games are largely seen as exclusively children's activity. You just do not see any of it because a lot of it doesn't appear in the west. Please, claim other things about Japan too, because you have such a good track record being massively wrong in everything else.

 

[The tired cat]

So, while everyone had fun beating the idiot, heres another fun Epic story I read from one Russian chap. Apparently their launcher doesnt allow you to change the games language, thus you cannot play something like Alan Wake in a Russian dub, so to fix that problem you need to fumble with the launchers settings an then add an special command that will allow to play games in Russian an the kicker is that Epic emselves have no idea about this.

 

[WhoBusTank69]

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Does he finally see the light? Will his shilling finally see an end?

 

[CricketyCrikes]

"PC games are developed to work best with PC, this is bad, you guys".

Where did you even get that from?


If you give out keys for which you NEED a third party launcher then you are a key seller. If GameStop is doing that, they are keysellers. If Humblebundle and greenman gaming make all their money doing that, they are keysellers. Offering up 1 gig flash games doesn't mean much when the majority of their share is made selling keys.

It's weird how aggressive some people get when when their circle jerk gets broken up. I'm honestly not sure why i expected to find anything more than the average quarterpounder video comments.

 

[KanaPostsonKiwi]

If you give out keys for which you NEED a third party launcher then you are a key seller. If GameStop is doing that, they are keysellers. If Humblebundle and greenman gaming make all their money doing that, they are keysellers. Offering up 1 gig flash games doesn't mean much when the majority of their share is made selling keys.

G2A is a key seller. Green man gaming sells games as retail, as does Humblebundle, and they are not bound to any storefront unlike you try your hardest to claim, even when proven wrong repeatedly.
Sometimes digital-only releases are sold in boxes as if retail. I do not understand how many times you have to be dropped on your head as a child to not understand basic shit like this.

 

[CricketyCrikes]

G2A is a key seller. Green man gaming sells games as retail, as does Humblebundle, and they are not bound to any storefront unlike you try your hardest to claim, even when proven wrong repeatedly.
Sometimes digital-only releases are sold in boxes as if retail. I do not understand how many times you have to be dropped on your head as a child to not understand basic shit like this.

They literally tell you in the product page which launcher the key you get is valid for. If Gamestops gives me a box with a key i can't use without having a launcher installed then they just sold me a key for that launcher.
I don't know how much simpler i can make this for you.

 

[WhoBusTank69]

They literally tell you in the product page which launcher the key you get is valid for. If Gamestops gives me a box with a key i can't use without having a launcher installed then they just sold me a key for that launcher.
I don't know how much simpler i can make this for you.

G2A deals in keys. GMG and Humble Bundle offer standalone downloads if it's an option, G2A will not.
If GMG and Humble Bundle are given standalone downloads or even a private torrent for a specific game, that is what they will provide.
Stop stringing out this pointless argument.

 

[Secret Asshole]

Where did you even get that from?


If you give out keys for which you NEED a third party launcher then you are a key seller. If GameStop is doing that, they are keysellers. If Humblebundle and greenman gaming make all their money doing that, they are keysellers. Offering up 1 gig flash games doesn't mean much when the majority of their share is made selling keys.

It's weird how aggressive some people get when when their circle jerk gets broken up. I'm honestly not sure why i expected to find anything more than the average quarterpounder video comments.

How the fuck do you not know the difference between a key-seller and a third party store.

Key sellers buy their keys in bulk from middle-men then re-sell it to you. Third-party stores get their keys from the direct source and sell it to the consumer.

This is so fucking pedantic. Also, Third-party stores exist because Steam takes 0 dollars from keys sold to 3rd party stores. If you buy a key from GMG, Fanatical or other third parties, the dev gets the money along with the store. Fanatical is so cheap because the devs are giving limited numbers of free keys and taking a percentage of what Fanatical makes on them. Steam allows you to freely give out keys to third party sites as a developer, which is a huge perk of Steam. So you can profit elsewhere off of it.

If you buy from key-sellers, only the key seller site gets the money. See the fucking difference? Because they've bought the keys from middle-men who may or may not be using stolen credit cards. The devs don't see any money on sales from key-selling sites, only the keys that were already bought, if they were bought legitimately. Devs don't like key sellers because the middle men aspect kills profit margins. Also they're all shady as fuck. Typically, key sellers have bought their keys from poorer regions at massive discounts then upsell them for huge profits. Big difference.

These are specific terms and mean very different things. You don't know what the fuck you are talking about and are being pedantic to try and save yourself from your own idiocy. Everyone knows what you are doing.

 

[vertexwindi]

You don't know what the fuck you are talking about and are being pedantic to try and save yourself from your own idiocy. Everyone knows what you are doing.

To be fair Epic doesn't pay him to know things, just to recite their arguments : )