Epic Games General Thread - Its time to talk about what the AAA gaming industry does not understand about the PC console.

as timmy said in the beginning he doesn't care about the cattle, they will come when he's the only one selling the games people want - "developers will decide who wins the game store wars" and "origin for ea games, steam for valve games, epic for everything else".
that's the bet, when epic become the next steam they basically get free money just like valve does now, same way uber/netflix/etc will when they're the top dog in the future. it's not about being "better" or what people actually want, it's being the only choice.

Timmy forgets that people will just torrent that shit. That's why it makes no sense to grab single player games as exclusives. The practice is scummy but at the least, focus on multiplayer games that can't be pirated (not unless you want to play Russians exclusively).
 
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Funny is that because of him people will pirate the shit out of every game that goes exclusive because why bother buying it when Epic already paid everything? pirate that shit and no one loses anything

And please dont use uTorrent, only villains do that
The real funny thing is that every game I can think of that has been released on the egs so far has been cracked almost instantly, and if you look in the crack folder for half of them you see they are empty, because they are relying on epic to do the DRM. And while steam's DRM isn't much better, it has been a long time since I have been able to play every game on release like I have done this year (I pirate every game that doesn't have a demo)

Also as an aside I have been thinking about moving on from utorrent 2.2.4, what's a good client to move to? Preferably one with a stop button, the reason I have stuck with utorrent so long is because it lets me stop torrents, which makes utorrent an incredibly effective database of my torrent history.
 
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they are relying on epic to do the DRM.
not even denuvo? otoh thinking about it that's more an AAA thing and the few greedy publishers went with EGS for shekels to begin with, so no extra expenses.

as for the games can't even be arsed to d/l them. gonna pick them up in a few years when they're whored out in a bundle, there's enough to play already.
 
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Also as an aside I have been thinking about moving on from utorrent 2.2.4, what's a good client to move to? Preferably one with a stop button, the reason I have stuck with utorrent so long is because it lets me stop torrents, which makes utorrent an incredibly effective database of my torrent history.
I'm no huge torrentfag but I'm using qBitorrent which is pretty much a fork of the same project as uTorrent but without the ads.
 
Timmy forgets that people will just torrent that shit. That's why it makes no sense to grab single player games as exclusives. The practice is scummy but at the least, focus on multiplayer games that can't be pirated (not unless you want to play Russians exclusively).

That would involve having a community/multiplayer infrastructure that is unsustainable at a 12% store fee.

But yeah, I have no problem with devs taking the money as long as Steam keys weren't promised during funding or pre-orders. Look at Oddworld or Meatboy: they now have the same guaranteed sales they'd hope for on Steam, plus residual sales in a year. To top it off, they took the cash without shitting on their fans and just admitted they like money. Won't make me buy anything on the EGS, but they keep my respect.
 
That would involve having a community/multiplayer infrastructure that is unsustainable at a 12% store fee.

But yeah, I have no problem with devs taking the money as long as Steam keys weren't promised during funding or pre-orders. Look at Oddworld or Meatboy: they now have the same guaranteed sales they'd hope for on Steam, plus residual sales in a year. To top it off, they took the cash without shitting on their fans and just admitted they like money. Won't make me buy anything on the EGS, but they keep my respect.

If there's anything reprehensible about devs taking money for exclusives, it's if they collected money under false pretenses or pre-sold something they're now not going to deliver.

They are not only breaking the law, but Epic is when they pay them to break their contracts. Valve could probably stomp them into the ground for that if it was worth doing, so that idiot Tim Sweeney has given Valve a great way to piledrive them legally if they ever do anything but lose massive amounts of money.
 
If there's anything reprehensible about devs taking money for exclusives, it's if they collected money under false pretenses or pre-sold something they're now not going to deliver.

They are not only breaking the law, but Epic is when they pay them to break their contracts. Valve could probably stomp them into the ground for that if it was worth doing, so that idiot Tim Sweeney has given Valve a great way to piledrive them legally if they ever do anything but lose massive amounts of money.

I honestly think Valve is waiting for a preponderance of evidence or bad dealings. The problem is Valve REALLY doesn't want to sue developers. That's really blasting your own face off with a shotgun. I easily think they can rape the devs of Shenmue III and Metro Exodus into the sand. That's so much bad will there and contract fuckery. But you really don't want to sue Devs. Or publishers.

I also think Valve already has a great case, but the problem is the Tencent money. I'm sure its lawyers are like 'Yeah, you could win, but Tencent will try and bleed you. Epic is already bleeding money. You're not bleeding anything. So why not just let your enemy bleed?' I really think that's Valve's point of view. Epic is hemorrhaging money. Its games are ludicrously easy to pirate. It has 0 features. It has, to my knowledge, no region pricing and has locked out currencies and payment providers. So Epic is bleeding, Tencent is just pouring the money into that wound while costing Valve next to nothing.

A lawsuit is basically designed to hurt them monetarily. They're already bleeding out of every orifice like the store has fucking Ebola. Why would Valve start to bleed money as well? I'm sure if the Epic store shores itself up and stops its bleeding, Valve will be happy to open those wounds back up with litigation. Valve is also winning the PR war as well. Lawsuits tend to not be viewed favorably by people. So Epic is already bleeding to death, losing the PR battle to everyone except Indies nobody gives a fuck about, already won't have the Halo Collection and has pissed off Microsoft to the extent that they've actually given up any thoughts of exclusivity. When your enemy is making a mistake, you don't interrupt them.



I really wish Epic would actually put some of this money into fixing up the store.

They sure are taking their time putting this out though. This was supposed to be out in April.

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Well, when your contract is basically 'Release exclusivity on us, here's all your money now' No fucking shit they're going to take their time. You've already guaranteed them money. Its why I don't believe any cocksucking Dev who tells me EGS is better and they'll make extra shit. Nigger, you got paid. No human ever is going to do extra work for free. They're going to look at their game and when its what they've promised, they're going to release it. You really think I buy 'Pheonix Point's year of free DLC being anything but cosmetic bullshit or recolors? Fuck no.

Its a business. You got paid an exorbitant amount of money for literally breathing. So you're going to take some of that exorbitant amount of money and invest it into something that won't get you the remotely same amount of money? Fuck off with that load of horse-shit. That money is going into your fucking pocket. Just admit you like a payday. Everybody knows this is the truth. Don't pretend its good for anyone but you cocksucker. Because it is.

That's what makes people hate you, because its the most obvious lie in the fucking world. "I have all this free money. Therefore its better for the consumer!" "How does that work?" "VALVE FANBOY" "OH, I understand now. You're just a massive greedy faggot."

Like, we know why Take2 and Koch Media are doing it. You're doing it for the same reason, don't act more pure fuckface. Just admit to what any rational human being would: "I am taking this massive pile of free cash because its good for me." At least fucking Rebellion said it. Christ.

that's the bet, when epic become the next steam they basically get free money just like valve does now, same way uber/netflix/etc will when they're the top dog in the future. it's not about being "better" or what people actually want, it's being the only choice.

I mean, they're betting that they can poach enough. Valve dominated the PC because it understood Piracy as a service problem, not a cost problem. EGS doesn't 'get' this. You can't be on top if you don't understand piracy in the PC market.

So let me get this straight, for EGS: You want me to use an inferior platform, excuse me, a non-existent platform with no DRM and the devs already got paid? Why the fuck WOULDN'T you pirate it? There's no guilt of someone getting deprived of a salary. Shit, there's even more incentive. You can't be a bare-bones platform and be the top dog. That simply cannot exist in today's market. Nobody is going to buy your shit. You just revert the PC market into the way it used to be, a fragmented fucked up mess that is totally inconvenient so you just fucking pirate anything.

And let me tell you, EGS will fragment the market so badly, IF it beats Steam, that piracy will be inevitable. Because physical media isn't a thing. At least when the digital market was so fragmented and piracy reigned, you could at least organize your game discs in a binder or something. Now, good luck doing that. Nobody is going to bother. The problem with EGS is assuming it knows how to play the game, when it clearly doesn't. The television industry is going to face piracy down the fucking barrel again with the release of multiple streaming services. Because nobody is going to cut their cord and order dozens of streaming services that is more than their fucking cable bill. Again, a fundamental misunderstanding of the marketplace.

Right now, EGS cannot brute force its way into dominance, it just can't. What its doing right know is causing it to bleed. Massively. It shatters the market, it just cuts itself to pieces with glass as the market goes right around it. Tim Sweeny doesn't know the first fucking thing about this market. Ironically, like every EGS exclusive, he got cut a fucking check. Instead of admitting he likes money, he thinks it means that Tencent thinks he's smart. Tencent doesn't know fuck-all about the Western Gaming Market. Its trusting a fucktarded autist who is bleeding out on the pavement to navigate the waters. I mean, this stupid faggot was sucking Steam's dick and fretting over Microsoft, what, two, three fucking years ago? Then he COMPLETELY reverses and says Microsoft is a godsend to gaming? And now Valve is evil? Yeah ok, I'll trust some four-eyed motherfucker who basically lucked into the gaming industry with Fortnite while completely misreading the entire fucking market he's in, eternally. If his child gambling simulator gets lootboxes banned, he's FUCKED. He doesn't have a shot in hell of making a good game. Its like trusting D&D after they assfucked Game of Thrones into the ground. Yeah, these guys knew what they were doing. Half a decade ago. Now its obvious they don't know fucking jack shit.

Its like if some clueless faggot with a bunch of money found a homeless guy who used to be a great Wallstreet trader 20 years ago. Now he's homeless on Wallstreet and tells you he's an insider because he hears all the secrets the traders are discussing around him. Then you give this idiot a bunch of money to found a firm and trust him to guide you in a market he hasn't been in for 2 decades and has been passively paying attention to while he smokes massive amounts of crack. Eventually you're going to find out the only thing he knows is that he likes money.

And lots of fucking crack.
 
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I also think Valve already has a great case, but the problem is the Tencent money. I'm sure its lawyers are like 'Yeah, you could win, but Tencent will try and bleed you. Epic is already bleeding money. You're not bleeding anything. So why not just let your enemy bleed?' I really think that's Valve's point of view. Epic is hemorrhaging money. Its games are ludicrously easy to pirate. It has 0 features. It has, to my knowledge, no region pricing and has locked out currencies and payment providers. So Epic is bleeding, Tencent is just pouring the money into that wound while costing Valve next to nothing.

Actually, they technically do have region pricing but only for the EU, US and Russia. Mostly that was done after the sales clusterfuck where Bloodlines 2 and Borderlands 3 ended up with a price tag of 5$ in Russia and Turkey, after that Epic scrambled and implemented regional pricing.
 
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"origin for ea games, steam for valve games, epic for everything else".
that's the bet, when epic become the next steam they basically get free money just like valve does now, same way uber/netflix/etc will when they're the top dog in the future.
1. If they were going to follow in Valve's footsteps and get free money, they'd need to open the floodgates so people invest in massive libraries and feel, uh, invested in teh store, having spent their own money. However, you literally can't sell your non-exclusive game on Epic right now, even if it's a "premium" indie. There isn't even a fucking cart. People's libraries are free to them and cost Epic money, exactly the opposite of Valve's.
2. Netflix was the top dog. Netflix was a monopoly, and they were bleeding money even back then. They started streaming in 2010, and that was the last year they were profitable.

The practice is scummy but at the least, focus on multiplayer games that can't be pirated (not unless you want to play Russians exclusively).
They can't! Multiplayer games use Valve's SDK for multiplayer!
 
Valve could probably stomp them into the ground for that if it was worth doing, so that idiot Tim Sweeney has given Valve a great way to piledrive them legally if they ever do anything but lose massive amounts of money.
The problem is the legalese, which is not admittedly my strong suit, but in cases like this you (from my understanding) are required to show consistent behavior. A single case where a developer comes out and shows that they've headhunted him specifically doesn't set a precedent as it can be handwaved by Epic as a "single incident" that "shows no consistent behavior", even if we all know everyone on Steam top wishlist have likely received mails from Epic, especially if they happen to be running Unreal Engine. I know for certain that 2 large finnish development teams have received such an email, as well as a significant studio in the UK. Neither which i want to namedrop since they don't want to come forward themselves at this time and are happy to release on EGS alongside Steam if they stop their exclusivity shit.

The other case is that a lawsuit like this in Epic's defeat could have bad ramifications, such as forcing developers to abide by release estimates, which is one of the least worst bad scenarios that could happen. The court could also rule that predatory exclusives like Epic's are from a legal standpoint just fine, which would cause shitty practices like Epic's to pop up despite the rumblings against it. I'd see little, to no benefit from a legal case here.

Bringing to light Epic's underhanded practices, as well as general ill behavior with the exclusives and developers who take them consistently in my opinion is the way to go here. We don't need to make any shit up, just keep showing what's true and actually happening and the general opinion will start to rub on people regardless of who says it. It's already starting to show cracks, and the damage Darq's dev did was severe. Here's their traffic according to Alexa.
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This also shows how much power they have behind their exclusives and how much hinges on a certain game.
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The other case is that there seems to be a significant overlap with Epic's stalwart defenders and the social justicey crowd, and people are starting to all over get very, very tired of the latter. All it takes is patience and people with clout telling the truth.
 
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I disagree legally on that but agree that as a practical matter, Valve is probably going to sit on any legal options they have until Epic shows any signs of doing anything but dying of its own stupidity. These exclusives are doing nothing but pissing people off and costing them lots of money.
 
What's also funny about Steam ignoring Epic is that the devs who took the exclusivity will still crawl back into Steam after the exclusivity timer runs out because they know they'll still sell more copies on Steam on a year delay than they ever would on Epic's horrendous platform; 30% cut be damned. I mean by the end of the day, we're talking about a store that found it's success by being more convenient than piracy versus a store refusing to provide basic features while running on Fortnite fad money and spyware yuan.
In short, Steam wins by doing absolutely nothing:
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What's also funny about Steam ignoring Epic is that the devs who took the exclusivity will still crawl back into Steam after the exclusivity timer runs out because they know they'll still sell more copies on Steam on a year delay than they ever would on Epic's horrendous platform

I wouldn't be so sure about that. you already have indies whining about competition and expecting valve to do all the marketing for them (which costs money and know how) because they get drowned out by other games. I don't see those devs that ran off for money in the first place spend some of that money on a new marketing push for a year-old game people don't give a shit about anymore, with constantly new games coming out every month. plus anyone will instantly be reminded that they sold out to epic first checking reviews and at least being on the epic exclusive curators list (damn, if only they could sell on a store without those pesky "features"). wouldn't be surprised if some would even do it on any new non-epic games out of spite (iirc at least 2 of the epic early adopters are releasing their next game on steam directly again, have to wait and see how they'll fare).
for example people STILL shit on no man's sky and that came out 3 years ago and made a hell of an effort to fix what they promised.

And let me tell you, EGS will fragment the market so badly, IF it beats Steam, that piracy will be inevitable.

from the top of my head I would know of at least one way to effectively combat that which would probably be even cheaper than epic's current course, but I don't want to give timmy any ideas.
in general the internet is getting more and more corporate and centralized and has been for a long while, in the end ms wants to be apple (sweeney wasn't wrong in that regard, he just underestimated ms' ineptitude and a shifting focus under nutella) and that's just the platform, who knows how it will look like in 5 years? it definitely won't get easier to pirate, and the average user was always too lazy and/or stupid for that even when it was piss easy.
sweeney also didn't luck out with fortnite into the industry, say what you want about that dude but he did build the unreal engine back in the 90s and it went on from there. if anything he lucked out with the engine (or was smart) when everybody was using it because there was no alternative or it was too expensive. fortnite just gave him the stupid amounts of money to suddenly go off the rails for some reason.

Bringing to light Epic's underhanded practices, as well as general ill behavior with the exclusives and developers who take them consistently in my opinion is the way to go here. We don't need to make any shit up, just keep showing what's true and actually happening and the general opinion will start to rub on people regardless of who says it. It's already starting to show cracks, and the damage Darq's dev did was severe.

another thing to consider is that epic is extremely triggerhappy with countersuits. remember silicon knights? or the kid they went after (deserved it, but still)? there was also the pubg thing which they dropped (probably because tencent holds a stake in both companies or someone smart told them it was a stupid idea to begin with).

all in all epic has no qualms dragging you into legal shit even if they don't have too, and afaik they have more money than valve. and like silicon knights it's important to think about what other shit floats to the top when you stir the pond - valve being full of seattle sjws you can bet there will suddenly be #metoo shit, coincidentally of course. not to mention all the journoes spreading their buttcheeks for timmy even harder than they already do in that case.
it also shows that epic has a history of shady shit. SK didn't start a legal battle for a reason. and fortnite suddenly coming out after poobg had them work on engine improvements for BR? which is probably one of the reasons more and more AAA studios went with their own engines because epic is simply too big of a liability.
 
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BL3 is out on Epic now, let the shitstorm begin. While BL3 is a poorly optimized piece of ass on its own right, Epic’s bugginess isn’t helping the day one release.
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How’s that foot taste Randy?
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Literally no one likes this game. Critics who praised this mess are outed for the shills they really are.
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BL3 is out on Epic now, let the shitstorm begin. While BL3 is a poorly optimized piece of ass on its own right, Epic’s bugginess isn’t helping the day one release.
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How’s that foot taste Randy?
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Literally no one likes this game. Critics who praised this mess are outed for the shills they really are.
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The best part is that people were calling this way back when when keys that were bought on the Epic Games Store during the sale from games that were pulled down wouldn't work. And I just kept hearing over and over again from several different sites that the problem didn't exist, and that if it did exist, it'd get solved before Borderlands 3 released.

...Let's just say I'm glad I, like many others who could smell this dumb bullshit coming from a mile away, trusted my gut instincts.
 
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