Eugenics, can we have a serious conversation, in this day, in this age?

[Penis Drager]

I personally like Shockley's solution:
If your IQ is below 100, you will receive the opportunity to be voluntarily sterilized in return for monetary compensation. Exactly how much money? I honestly don't know what would be a fair amount. But these are double digit IQ individuals so it probably won't take much.

 

[Emperor Julian]

Hate to break it to you but humanity didn't evolve a century ago. What our culture pretends we are and what we actually are are two completely different things. And yes I have been with several women, ask your mom.

I'm going to mostly back out of thread and not reply as these things really eat up a lot of time and I don't really fancy my odds vs three but is this true? because approaching romance from a eugenic perspective is one of the spergiest things I can imagine and you got a little sharp when I brought it up.

I'll conceed I'm being a prick but how does this work? Is it online dating with that Genetic app or do you quietly inquire if she has any short buss siblings about a week in? I can't really imagine some sort of human meat market or creepy lab setting is going on. I'm really curious about this.

 

[Kulee Baba]

We're already experiencing eugenics thru economics. The Powers That Be want America to go back to having an Elite Class followed up by Serfs. They've made it ridiculously expensive to raise kids in a safe environment. The final deathstroke to the middle class will be when the Democratic administration kills the suburbs coupled with real estate be driven all the way down.

You thought Eugenics was going to get rid of the dummies? Dear fellow Kiwi who's supposed to do the slave labor? We're still decades away before robots can fully replace the sweatshop workers at Amazon.

 

[Puff]

I personally like Shockley's solution:
If your IQ is below 100, you will receive the opportunity to be voluntarily sterilized in return for monetary compensation. Exactly how much money? I honestly don't know what would be a fair amount. But these are double digit IQ individuals so it probably won't take much.

I kinda get tired of people talking about double digit IQ people like they're retards. That's half of the population (yes, it's terrifying). Gotta set the bar a bit lower.

 

[Getting tard comed]

I kinda get tired of people talking about double digit IQ people like they're retards. That's half of the population (yes, it's terrifying). Gotta set the bar a bit lower.

I get tired of them talking about triple IQ digits like it's an automatic good thing like we haven't seen the people most likely to commit genocide aren't the ones with triple digit IQs. All the things they profess to hate are propagated by triple digit IQ motherfuckers and they somehow can't make the connection that the "smarter" someone is the easier it is to rationalize awful shit.

IQ is important(maybe) for societal technological stability it does not guarentee anything positive on it's own. The Boers were definitely smarter than the Africans who came in after the Boers civilized the land. Their high IQs didn't stop them from losing their country to the low IQ nignogs who are currently stealing their property, killing them and raping their wives and daughters while they watch or hear it in the other room. Their high IQs were very helpful in their current situation.

 

[Puff]

I get tired of them talking about triple IQ digits like it's an automatic good thing like we haven't seen the people most likely to commit genocide aren't the ones with triple digit IQs. All the things they profess to hate are propagated by triple digit IQ motherfuckers and they somehow can't make the connection that the "smarter" someone is the easier it is to rationalize awful shit.

IQ is important(maybe) for societal technological stability it does not guarentee anything positive on it's own. The Boers were definitely smarter than the Africans who came in after the Boers civilized the land. Their high IQs didn't stop them from losing their country to the low IQ nignogs who are currently stealing their property, killing them and raping their wives and daughters while they watch or hear it in the other room. Their high IQs were very helpful in their current situation.

It's the only quantifiable metric you can really use unless you wait for an outcome and it correlates strongly with life outcome. Anecdotes don't change that. You can't sterilize half the population and not completely fuck yourself though.

 

[Getting tard comed]

It's the only quantifiable metric you can really use unless you wait for an outcome and it correlates strongly with life outcome. Anecdotes don't change that. You can't sterilize half the population and not completely fuck yourself though.

That logic only works if you buy into the metric(Some rather smart people don't like Nassim Talib) and if you believe the only things that matter/effect society are things that are quantifiable. Even if you buy into the metric(I do) there is no way you can rationally argue that only the quantifiable things impact society.

There are more important things than IQ, individual and average, that impact a society's functionality and IQ spergs ignore them from my experience.

 

[Lemmingwise]

I'm going to mostly back out of thread and not reply as these things really eat up a lot of time and I don't really fancy my odds vs three but is this true? because approaching romance from a eugenic perspective is one of the spergiest things I can imagine and you got a little sharp when I brought it up.

I'll conceed I'm being a prick but how does this work? Is it online dating with that Genetic app or do you quietly inquire if she has any short buss siblings about a week in? I can't really imagine some sort of human meat market or creepy lab setting is going on. I'm really curious about this.

Honestly, most of the discussion comes from your lack of imagination.

You don't understand that one doesn't have to think like a little dr mengele to have personal choices result in a genetuc and therefor eugenic effect on what children one will have.

For example, if a woman makes a conscious decision to have children before she is 30 rather than after, that will have a eugenic effect. If she prioritizes someone tall to have them with, that has a eugenic effect.

I've given you a long list of historical eugenics and you still seem to operate in the illusion that it only is eugenics if one puts on their proverbial "I am a god" scientist hat and plots to murder the impure.

Just choosing someone for looks has a eugenic effect. While standards may vary, everyone chooses for looks to some degree so we all participate in it.

Is it the cognitive dissonance that is produced by you finding it completely immoral and having poor practice at being a moralfag that is producing this unproductive discussion? Where you'll ignore the long list of examples and even backtrack on whether what the spartans did really was eugenics?

I genuinely find it hard to understand. I guess another explanation could be cognitive dissonance on my part, as I operate on the assumption that anyone that engages in longform discussion is approaching it with some degree of intellectual honesty and curiosity, but there's no need for that to be the case.

 

[Crankenstein]

Honestly, most of the discussion comes from your lack of imagination.

You don't understand that one doesn't have to think like a little dr mengele to have personal choices result in a genetuc and therefor eugenic effect on what children one will have.

For example, if a woman makes a conscious decision to have children before she is 30 rather than after, that will have a eugenic effect. If she prioritizes someone tall to have them with, that has a eugenic effect.

I've given you a long list of historical eugenics and you still seem to operate in the illusion that it only is eugenics if one puts on their proverbial "I am a god" scientist hat and plots to murder the impure.

Just choosing someone for looks has a eugenic effect. While standards may vary, everyone chooses for looks to some degree so we all participate in it.

Is it the cognitive dissonance that is produced by you finding it completely immoral and having poor practice at being a moralfag that is producing this unproductive discussion? Where you'll ignore the long list of examples and even backtrack on whether what the spartans did really was eugenics?

I genuinely find it hard to understand. I guess another explanation could be cognitive dissonance on my part, as I operate on the assumption that anyone that engages in longform discussion is approaching it with some degree of intellectual honesty and curiosity, but there's no need for that to be the case.

I think the only folks disagreeing are doing so on ideological grounds assuming it's all about eliminating darky, killing tards, and sterilizing the proles. Instead of seeing the merits and understanding the proposal of a soft approach based in awareness and outreach from a non-governing body, they assume it to be nazi style eugenics with commie style force.

 

[Lemmingwise]

I think the only folks disagreeing are doing so on ideological grounds assuming it's all about eliminating darky, killing tards, and sterilizing the proles. Instead of seeing the merits and understanding the proposal of a soft approach based in awareness and outreach from a non-governing body, they assume it to be nazi style eugenics with commie style force.

An understandable and legit fear. I'd even call it a necessary restraint. If it was completely absent (judging from the poll: not at all absent), I'd argue in favor of it.

 

[Stoneheart]

It's the only quantifiable metric you can really use unless you wait for an outcome and it correlates strongly with life outcome. Anecdotes don't change that. You can't sterilize half the population and not completely fuck yourself though.

there is a very clear indicator for low IQ... its black skin. your idea just end the black population in about 2 generations.

 

[Puff]

That logic only works if you buy into the metric(Some rather smart people don't like Nassim Talib) and if you believe the only things that matter/effect society are things that are quantifiable. Even if you buy into the metric(I do) there is no way you can rationally argue that only the quantifiable things impact society.

There are more important things than IQ, individual and average, that impact a society's functionality and IQ spergs ignore them from my experience.

But it's really hard to make a policy over the non-quantifiables. Unless you want a sterilization board in each town, which will devolve into families trying to ruin each other, you can only do quantifiable metrics or booleans (is he/she homeless/welfare queen etc.

there is a very clear indicator for low IQ... its black skin. your idea just end the black population in about 2 generations.

I don't get your point.

 

[Penis Drager]

I kinda get tired of people talking about double digit IQ people like they're retards. That's half of the population

The goal of eugenics is improvement of mankind. So it's ideal that only those above average would be the ones that breed. But you're kinda glossing over what is arguably the most important part of Shockley's idea: it's all voluntary. Think of it like a free vasectomy you get PAYED to have if you happen to have a below average IQ.

It's not "you're not allowed to breed if you're below average." It's "you have the privilege of trading your ability to breed for monetary compensation."

 

[Lemmingwise]

there is a very clear indicator for low IQ... its black skin. your idea just end the black population in about 2 generations.

What he's saying is that black people (statistically) have low IQ and if you kill all sub 100 IQ, you'll end up killing most black people.

Personally I think the more likely result is that you only have the black people with genetic predisposition to higher IQ survive, much like what happened with ashkenazi jews from medieval to modern europe.

 

[ConfederateIrishman]

My main thing with eugenics is I get the strong feeling that if I outright supported them it would immediately come out that I have some rare dysgenic disorder that means I can't have Children according to the eugenic laws I advocated for, if only due to the sheer irony of it; The same sort of irony which God seems to enjoy watching occur again and again throughout human history.

Anyway to answer OP's question in the title: fuck no lmao, where do you think we are?

 

[Forgetful Gynn]

but is this true?

Yes it's true. I would've been your daddy but the dog beat me over the fence.

because approaching romance from a eugenic perspective is one of the spergiest things I can imagine

I don't date retards or outside of my race, so I guess that is a eugenicist perspective.

Is it online dating with that Genetic app or do you quietly inquire if she has any short buss siblings about a week in?

You can usually tell if there's something wrong with them the first time you go to their place, or when you meet their parents. There should be a lot of time between meeting someone and reproducing with them to find these things out.

I kinda get tired of people talking about double digit IQ people like they're retards.

I'm fairly certain the military sets its lower limit at 75 because anything below that is functionally retarded. Koko the Gorilla had a higher IQ than that, but most of the black population does not.

I think the only folks disagreeing are doing so on ideological grounds assuming it's all about eliminating darky, killing tards, and sterilizing the proles. Instead of seeing the merits and understanding the proposal of a soft approach based in awareness and outreach from a non-governing body, they assume it to be nazi style eugenics with commie style force.

As with most things blamed on the "nutsies", it's mostly to cover up the fact that Eugenics was invented in and actually took off in America.

By 1920, at least 30 states had eugenics laws that required the sterilization of people who were determined as unfit, including “criminals, idiots, imbeciles and rapists.” Today we estimate that about 60,000 Americans were sterilized because of these various state laws. Many states also refused to issue a marriage license to a couple who did not have a certificate from a physician or professional eugenicist stating that neither person had any undesirable qualities reflected in his or her bloodline.

What he's saying is that black people (statistically) have low IQ and if you kill all sub 100 IQ, you'll end up killing most black people.

Personally I think the more likely result is that you only have the black people with genetic predisposition to higher IQ survive, much like what happened with ashkenazi jews from medieval to modern europe.

That would probably be best for everyone.

 

[Puff]

I'm fairly certain the military sets its lower limit at 75 because anything below that is functionally retarded. Koko the Gorilla had a higher IQ than that, but most of the black population does not.

It was in the mid 80's (IQ points, not year) when they stopped using IQ. Now they use ASVAB scores which are just IQ and some general knowledge thrown in.

Edit for clarity and to add: It's probably went up since then. We're not looking for cannon fodder right now.

 

[Stoneheart]

Now they use ASVAB scores which are just IQ and some general knowledge thrown in.

do the USA still have special needs units?

 

[Forgetful Gynn]

do the USA still have special needs units?

Just the Marines, as always.

 

[troon patrol]

Just the Marines, as always.

I was shopping around in the armed forces when I was younger they (the Marines) thought my 95 ASVAB was pointless.

Incidentally, I'm blown away a drunk post I made years ago is still running.