Eugenics, can we have a serious conversation, in this day, in this age?

[Coke Pope]

No, we can't.
Torturing, bullying, 'kicking', harassing and stalking the disabled as we do here is a lot of fun but outside of my shameless sadism I desire no systematic harm to them and under no circunstance I want them to go extinct because then the fun is over.
Discussion is over, have a nice day.

 

[troon patrol]

It's not taboo around here. In fact, there's been multiple threads on this subject in this very subforum so I think what you're running up against here is the fact that all the DT regulars have had this discussion more than once based on OPs that weren't written by an obvious spaz. You could have saved everyone a lot of time by using the search function and going over those old threads to get an idea of what you were getting into first but alas, pro-eugenics posters tend to be spergs.

Full disclosure, I have two shots of vodka or some kind FDA controlled substance and unwind so the clarity isn't always there, never bother to hide this. I Do recall searching breifly for a eugenics thread, if I could rewrite this OP tagline it would go something like "ethically cutting the waste/worst of society similar in principal similar too eugenics" or the alternatively titled "Hey NEETS who post on KF, fuck you! If I were in charge I'm cutting of your lazy faggot money", I probably would have got the same tism ratings. I consider myself black-pilled but, not a sperg, (but then again who has ever conceded they were a sperg?) TLDR: We need to start cutting the fat of society or be prepared to learn Mandarin.

 

[troon patrol]

God damn it, you're going all over the place with this.

Yes you're right, I love countrysides and avoid urban clusterfucks, but back to this, you're not gonna solve with sterilization what has been a social problem since the day humans build the first urban center with more than 100 people. I rather play the odds because every time there's a major breakthrough on any field is always made by that exception, not necessarily a poorfag junkie but hope you get the idea.

My example was two extremes just to prove a point, in combat you only learn what you and others are really made of when shit hits the fan, so you never know if the guy next to you is a pussy with a rifle or a tard with a rifle.

Several times on several countries the question of what to do with brain dead people always go back to the same answer, let the family decide.

Overall the entire answer to your post can be summarize with this quote.

Its complicated subject hence it deserves to discussed, if I haven't made it clear a soft ethical eugenics is what I'm advocating. I'm gonna hide my powerlevel but when you see 10 thousand of people jamming needles, lighting foil, smoking rocks in broad daylight, blowing eachother for $5, quite a few morbidly obese, living on the street with no ambition to do otherwise the gravity of the problem strikes you. And while I'm complicating things; when %50 of them are obviously not naturalized citizens you have an even bigger problem.

I think you are wildly misinformed about the military (which is an outstanding social program btw) unless you are infantry like 11X or mechanized (tanks) its rare you are actually exchanging small arms fire. For Anyone reading this: Join the navy or the airforce specialize in ANYTHING that requires a high security clearance, after your commitment to the US services has been made and you are honorably discharged there are some 200K jobs for those with security clearances. If you want to get your dick wet andjust get a chance to kill haji join the marines 1st recon or army and try out for rangers. Typically the pussies wash out of special forces get reassigned to some MOS making sure the transmission is working in personnel carrying vehicles.

One of the reason I mentioned Terry Schaivo is the family (husband at least) wanted to let her die in peace, several religious fanatics and state legislature? or possibley her elderly parents were in a dispute with her husband over this. It was taken out of his hands. This was a while ago. 2005ish?

That quote clearly referenced natural selection. Not a society collectively choosing to end a life or deny them reproductive rights. All due respect the difference is very clear.

 

[Emperor Julian]

Why? just mix the right chemicals into the food you sell to africa.

Nestle are probably already doing that and their doesnt seem to be any viable effect.

 

[Webby's Boyfriend]

Autistics should breed only among themselves to create a new human subspecies.

 

[ThePurpleProse]

Its complicated subject hence it deserves to discussed, if I haven't made it clear a soft ethical eugenics is what I'm advocating. I'm gonna hide my powerlevel but when you see 10 thousand of people jamming needles, lighting foil, smoking rocks in broad daylight, blowing eachother for $5, quite a few morbidly obese, living on the street with no ambition to do otherwise the gravity of the problem strikes you. And while I'm complicating things; when %50 of them are obviously not naturalized citizens you have an even bigger problem.

I think you are wildly misinformed about the military (which is an outstanding social program btw) unless you are infantry like 11X or mechanized (tanks) its rare you are actually exchanging small arms fire. For Anyone reading this: Join the navy or the airforce specialize in ANYTHING that requires a high security clearance, after your commitment to the US services has been made and you are honorably discharged there are some 200K jobs for those with security clearances. If you want to get your dick wet andjust get a chance to kill haji join the marines 1st recon or army and try out for rangers. Typically the pussies wash out of special forces get reassigned to some MOS making sure the transmission is working in personnel carrying vehicles.

One of the reason I mentioned Terry Schaivo is the family (husband at least) wanted to let her die in peace, several religious fanatics and state legislature? or possibley her elderly parents were in a dispute with her husband over this. It was taken out of his hands. This was a while ago. 2005ish?

That quote clearly referenced natural selection. Not a society collectively choosing to end a life or deny them reproductive rights. All due respect the difference is very clear.

Your opening post was 100% eye cancer and autistic as fuck, now it's taking a better shape but what you wanna cover needs to be divided into three different subjects at least:

1. Social engineering.
2. Eugenics beyond adaptability and disregarding natural selection.
3. Ethical disposal.

In relation to the first item, "perfecting" society by eugenics is not gonna have a major impact, it will be barely noticeable, so far communism have been the most successful because everyone gets dragged down to the lowest common denominator hence eliminating poverty (not counting the few in power).
If you ask me, drastic measures need to take place, gathering all the homeless and using them as high risk workers will give them the chance of getting a very good salary to those who survive. Junkies can be used in similar fashion for testing new medical procedures and drugs. Illegal immigrants and criminals can be used for forced labor with the exception of pedos and rapers, those two groups is better to just kill them. Lastly I honestly have no idea what to do with fat fucks.
But none of this immoral things can solve the root of the problem which is inherently somewhere in the human mind.

Now eugenics as someone already mentioned is something we do naturally, but I guess forcing it would just accelerate the process, neutering is a bad idea because you can never tell who's gonna end up spending their lives with who, you can end up with a man with very high desirable qualities such as faggotry immunity wasting his life with some neutered diabetic midget who's family has a history of autism, down syndrome and hearth failure unless you want to pair people by force.
I believe we're stuck with the natural process and vaccines until we learn how to manipulate and engineer our own DNA.

This third subject is the juicy one, if you look through history this is an old debate for centuries to come, as our ethics and values change with time the answer to what to do with those who can not contribute in any way to the world changes as well, in the past 99% of KF lolcows would have been drowned but in the present, on my opinion, the future of this people should be under governmental decision, family should host a funeral or some shit to say goodbye for them before handing them to the government and used as guinea pigs, the amount of advances we could be making in medicine alone would overweight any negative impact.

 

[Lemmingwise]

There are more than a few organisations that were part of eugenics movements, before they rebranded after it became ever more taboo. For example planned parenthood grew out of the family council, which grew out of the eugenicist's society.

On a micro level, everytime two people decide to have a child it'll have a eugenic effect by who they choose to have it with, so in some sense we're all familiar with it.

Similarly, every young life saved or ended has a eugenic effect.

After eugenics on wide and open policy level became taboo, what developments do you think are the strongest eugenics effects? Is it bad or good that it's taboo?

As a bit of a possible side discussion, I once read a book "covenant of the wild" that put forward the theory that man didn't just domesticate wolves into dogs, but dogs themselves found an evolutionary niche the way pigeons and rats both found value in living near humans. To support this are various areas in africa where dogs don't contribute (not as either guard, hunting or herding), but learned to cow and whine in front of humans to both beg for food and to dine and scavenge fir scraps. Is it there the dog exploited or the human?

Of course humans have had significant influence in dog breeding for various purposes, as well as horse breeding, when they played a more central part in our lives.

It is not hard to see the mountain of reasons why this is not so easily applied to humans; that requires a type of slavery it seems to me. Am I wrong in this? Would there be voluntary ways? Should there be?

 

[The Sauce Boss]

Anything that infringes on the self-determination of any human being and the course of their life should be met with the gun imo. That includes state-sponsored eugenics programmes and the like.

 

[Lemmingwise]

Anything that infringes on the self-determination of any human being and the course of their life should be met with the gun imo. That includes state-sponsored eugenics programmes and the like.

What about voluntary opt-in eugenics programs?

 

[Ciscoipphone]

what we are all thinking when we say this or that lolcow shouln't be allowed to breed

 

[NOT Sword Fighter Super]

what we are all thinking when we say this or that lolcow shouln't be allowed to breed

Or that only lolcows should be allowed to breed.

 

[Maskull]

Anything that infringes on the self-determination of any human being and the course of their life should be met with the gun imo. That includes state-sponsored eugenics programmes and the like.

You're the sort that we should abort.

 

[The Sauce Boss]

What about voluntary opt-in eugenics programs?

I personally feel that the potential for abuse is still rife and that if you're gonna do any form of eugenic study in regards to humans that it be done independent from the state in its entirety.

 

[Big Bad Wart]

What do you mean by eugenics because I don't understand how it translated to two humans having kids. eugenics IIRC had the problem that it established a value system based on genetics that did not fit with what we know of evolution.


edit to not double post
The dog things it could be a possibility that both our dependency with them and their with us developed at the same time the term.for that kind of evolution escapes me tho.

 

[Maskull]

Cleanse the gene pool; mandatory post-natal abortions for all Kiwi Farms users!

 

[The Sauce Boss]

You're the sort that we should abort.

no step on snek!

 

[Lemmingwise]

I personally feel that the potential for abuse is still rife and that if you're gonna do any form of eugenic study in regards to humans that it be done independent from the state in its entirety.

What about state independancy makes it uniquely immunised from abuse?

Or is it that you think corruption is inevitable for state orgs, whereas private ones at least have a fighting chance?

 

[Maskull]

no step on snek!

I'll trample you and you'll like it.

 

[Lemmingwise]

Oh I almost forgot to share the not so serious video that set me on this serious contemplation.

 

[The Sauce Boss]

What about state independancy makes it uniquely immunised from abuse?

Or is it that you think corruption is inevitable for state orgs, whereas private ones at least have a fighting chance?

The latter. I'm pretty big on small gov't and such because power, as a force, tends to corrupt even the most well-intentioned. Profit has a similar problem, but usually the incentive to continue to do good work and make money outweighs the incentive to cheat/cut corners/be absolute shit at it in my experience.