Euphoric atheists

[Marshal Mannerheim]

Realistically trying to shape Christianity to Current Year is a fool's errand no matter who is doing it.

Especially when the holy book of Christianity literally says Christ can't change with the times.

I shit on all religious groups... but especially Mormons. More than anyone else the Mormons deserve to be bullied for believing in magical underwear.

I saw someone say somewhere else on KF that Mormonism is so weird because it's a product of its time.

The reason there's so much emphasis on ancient Egypt in Mormonism is because Egyptology was both new and exciting enough to be interesting and was in the public eye at the time, a bit like how lots of the New Age cults that sprung up in the 60's are based around UFO's.
Many of the things Mormons do come from Freemasonry, which sounds weird now because the average Mason only really joins a social club with a couple of odd rituals (the weird stuff, if you believe it exists, isn't stuff Steve who goes to the Masonic lodge in order to "network" knows about), but at the time Freemasonry was definitely something lots of people feared and were curious about (there was even an anti-Masonic political party around that time) and so Joseph Smith, a Freemason, would have borrowed some of its rituals in order to get people to join his cult.
Some of the other things in Mormonism come from the fact that it was founded and spread on the frontier; it seems odd for Mormons today to keep a year's worth of supplies at their house, wear magic underwear or avoid drinking hot drinks or alcohol, and it seems odd for Mormonism to ban blacks from membership until recently and make psuedohistory about Native Americans dogma, but keeping loads of supplies with you, wearing long johns, which is basically what Mormon magic underwear is, and not getting drunk are all pretty sensible things to do on the frontier. There's also the fact that the early Mormons would probably have been racist and that probably filtered into their doctrine over time.

 

[DDBCAE CBAADCBE]

Especially when the holy book of Christianity literally says Christ can't change with the times.

I saw someone say somewhere else on KF that Mormonism is so weird because it's a product of its time.

The reason there's so much emphasis on ancient Egypt in Mormonism is because Egyptology was both new and exciting enough to be interesting and was in the public eye at the time, a bit like how lots of the New Age cults that sprung up in the 60's are based around UFO's.
Many of the things Mormons do come from Freemasonry, which sounds weird now because the average Mason only really joins a social club with a couple of odd rituals (the weird stuff, if you believe it exists, isn't stuff Steve who goes to the Masonic lodge in order to "network" knows about), but at the time Freemasonry was definitely something lots of people feared and were curious about (there was even an anti-Masonic political party around that time) and so Joseph Smith, a Freemason, would have borrowed some of its rituals in order to get people to join his cult.
Some of the other things in Mormonism come from the fact that it was founded and spread on the frontier; it seems odd for Mormons today to keep a year's worth of supplies at their house, wear magic underwear or avoid drinking hot drinks or alcohol, and it seems odd for Mormonism to ban blacks from membership until recently and make psuedohistory about Native American dogma, but keeping loads of supplies with you, wearing long johns, which is basically what Mormon magic underwear is, and not getting drunk are all pretty sensible things to do on the frontier. There's also the fact that the early Mormons would probably have been racist and that probably filtered into their doctrine over time.

Okay but there’s more to the underwear thing than them just being longjohns. They also protect you from being stabbed. Apparently this is something some of them still believe too as when I used to live practically next door to a Mormon church I would get pamphlets about their dumb shit all the time. Most of them are straight up psychotic from what I’ve seen. Real nut cases.

 

[eternal dog mongler]

A rich powerful older man getting fucked in the ass by a young poor man would have been considered distateful by the Greeks and Muslims.

Didn't Nero catch shit for letting a gladiator top him? Some emperor did.

What's funny is that Roman sexual mores were extremely strict. I'm sure gay guys were sucking each other's dicks as they've done throughout history but I'm also sure they never talked about it. Fellatio was considered a sex act exclusively reserved for prostitutes trying to help older guys get it up for penetration. It'd be embarrassing for the both of you taking that role.

 

[Marshal Mannerheim]

Okay but there’s more to the underwear thing than them just being longjohns.

I wouldn't be surprised if there is - it was probably a folk tradition, since Smith practiced folk magic before founding a religion.

 

[Mistress of Troon]

Didn't Nero catch shit for letting a gladiator top him? Some emperor did.

It could be him. I know that he actually married some men and women together. This agian, isn't a proof that same-sex marriage existed in ancient Rome, since Romans weren't monogamous. So it was in certain times okay for a powerful man to marry a young man as well, but only if he already had married a wife before. But of course, an emperor getting penetrated by a less powerful man would have been considered a big taboo, since penetration was only an act for people with power. This is also the reason why women's sexuality wasn't taken into account at all, because they had no genitalia to penetrate someone.

What's funny is that Roman sexual mores were extremely strict. I'm sure gay guys were sucking each other's dicks as they've done throughout history but I'm also sure they never talked about it. Fellatio was considered a sex act exclusively reserved for prostitutes trying to help older guys get it up for penetration. It'd be embarrassing for the both of you taking that role.

A way to circuminvent it was to become a pre-modern tranny. This is actually the original source of transgenderism as we see it still in countries like Thailand: very effeminate men who want it from behind, even if they get older.
This is of course a totally different thing than the autogynephilic troonerism we have now in the West, where straight guys pretend to be women for a sexual kick. For a North African variant of crossdressing, there were for example Khawals in Egypt: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khawal

I genuinely think that we in the West are now sexually the most confused people in history. I'm quite doubtful that we'll ever get out of it again, either liberals get their way and any sexual fetishist will be proclaimed an identitiy and minority that must be protected, or we get the boring Ben Shapiro version that thinks that any form of sex that isn't reproduction is evil and bad (which again will increase sexual tensions so much that we'll have the same situation as today. So it'd be a eternal cycle of a repressed Victorian age and trannies) . It's just puzzling to me that ancient cultures basically had the sexuality problem solved and more or less made anyone happy, without being far too lenient or far too strict about sexual behaviour and survived sometimes for more than a millenia. Now an entire civilization is just collapsing because of gender goblins.

 

[AnOminous]

But of course, an emperor getting penetrated by a less powerful man would have been considered a big taboo, since penetration was only an act for people with power.

It made it worse that it was a gladiator, because they had a weird love-hate relationship with gladiators, simultaneously idolizing them and at the same time, considering them vastly inferior to the extent even having a social relationship with one was considered shameful, much less taking it up the ass from one.

As for other gladiator scandals, Marcus Aurelius' wife cucked him with a gladiator, possibly leading to the birth of Commodus, perhaps the worst emperor in Roman History. Commodus also "fought" as a gladiator, although his opponents were armed only with wooden swords and always surrendered.

 

[Tootsie Bear]

I always love how paint Christians as all white racists who are the scourge of the world, and how non-Christians are on the right side of history.

 

[Hyro]

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I always love how paint Christians as all white racists who are the scourge of the world, and how non-Christians are on the right side of history.

She's going to be in for a big surprise when she finds out what Muslims actually believe.

 

[Firewater]

She's going to be in for a big surprise when she finds out what Muslims actually believe.

How many of them are contrarians that just have a petty grudge with christianity because of their parents telling them to get off their asses and go to church or something among those lines? Or that try to "stick it to the man" by saying "religion bad"? (Like these were the middle ages).

 

[Slap47]

700 viewers.... now imagine if a leftwing podcast with 700 viewers had platformed somebody who became a shooter.

 

[Mr Metron666]

I think I’ve found us a new euphoric.
Meet Brian Baker aka “Nonsense From The Bible” (taken from the title of one of his books) aka “No More Make Believe” (coincidently also the name of a now defunct atheist Facebook group). An ex-christian & author of two books; From Faith to Reason and as I’ve mentioned above, Nonsense from the Bible (the title alone makes it sound like it’s desperately trying to emulate The God Delusion, but then again, what atheist book doesn’t)

Here’s a few choice memes he’s posted, which knowing these lot, are presumably taken way out of context;

This one just seems like a thinly-veiled justification/promotion of materialism & avarice.

And this one’s just plain childish.

It's like when people say that Greeks and Muslims were once very accepting of homosexuality

I don’t think there was any point in Muslim history (except maybe for the pre-Islamic period but since we know next to nothing about the religion/s that came before Islam , we can’t say for sure) where they were accepting of homosexuality since the Koran is a hellva lot more clear on its anti-gay stance than the Old Testament.

 

[Nod Flenders]

I think I’ve found us a new euphoric.
Meet Brian Baker aka “Nonsense From The Bible” (taken from the title of one of his books) aka “No More Make Believe” (coincidently also the name of a now defunct atheist Facebook group). An ex-christian & author of two books; From Faith to Reason and as I’ve mentioned above, Nonsense from the Bible (the title alone makes it sound like it’s desperately trying to emulate The God Delusion, but then again, what atheist book doesn’t)

Here’s a few choice memes he’s posted, which knowing these lot, are presumably taken way out of context;
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This one just seems like a thinly-veiled justification/promotion of materialism & avarice.
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And this one’s just plain childish.

I don’t think there was any point in Muslim history (except maybe for the pre-Islamic period but since we know next to nothing about the religion/s that came before Islam , we can say for sure) where they were accepting of homosexuality since the Koran is a hellva lot more clear on its anti-gay stance than the Old Testament.

Brian has posted nothing but cringe.

 

[Marshal Mannerheim]

I don’t think there was any point in Muslim history (except maybe for the pre-Islamic period but since we know next to nothing about the religion/s that came before Islam , we can say for sure) where they were accepting of homosexuality since the Koran is a hellva lot more clear on its anti-gay stance than the Old Testament.

Arabic pagans may have been accepting of homosexuality. If they were, it would probably mean Muslims have even more reason to be against it because they see the time before Islam as a time of ignorance and disobedience to Allah.

 

[Shaka Brah]

Arabic pagans may have been accepting of homosexuality. If they were, it would probably mean Muslims have even more reason to be against it because they see the time before Islam as a time of ignorance and disobedience to Allah.

The only nominal Muslims who are ok with it today are Afghan tribals, and I'm not sure if I'd call them orthodox.

 

[Marshal Mannerheim]

The only nominal Muslims who are ok with it today are Afghan tribals, and I'm not sure if I'd call them orthodox.

If you're talking about bacha bazi, the Taliban will hang people that keep children as sex slaves and they're basically the orthodox Muslims of the region.

 

[Slap47]

Weirdly enough, the US south was less racist than the rest of the US in one key way. They were fine with black people being around. The western states, northern states, and even Canada went out of their way to keep out all black people out and actively removed them. Sundown towns (no black people allowed outside at night) only really existed in the north and west.

 

[Marshal Mannerheim]

Sundown towns (no black people allowed outside at night) only really existed in the north and west.

I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure Oregon was founded as a literal ethnostate.

> if God is omnibenevolent, then He smiles on all religions

So an omnibenevolent god has to smile on the Aztecs sacrificing newborn babies at massive stone altars?

 

[Shaka Brah]

If you're talking about bacha bazi, the Taliban will hang people that keep children as sex slaves and they're basically the orthodox Muslims of the region.

Yeah that's what I'm talking about. The tribals do claim to be Muslim, but they're about as Muslim as Messianic Jews are Christian.

I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure Oregon was founded as a literal ethnostate.

It was yeah. They passed the Black Exclusion Law in 1844 that forbade any black from entering the state and abolished slavery. Any black who didn't leave after 3 years was hunted down by marshals and deported.

Their territorial constitution had a byline that said only whites were allowed to be citizens. Blacks were only officially allowed to legally reside in Oregon in 1926.

 

[Marshal Mannerheim]

The tribals do claim to be Muslim, but they're about as Muslim as Messianic Jews are Christian.

I'd compare them to santeros in Latin America.

Both adopted a faith because it was more or less forced on them by a foreign empire. Both either disguised pagan practices as being part of their new faith or kept following them regardless. Both are very strongly opposed by more orthodox Catholics or Muslims, mainly because they do some pretty screwed up stuff (I'm pretty sure @NoReturn mentioned the cult of Santa Muerte on the Witchblr thread, and it goes without saying that Wahhabists hate degenerate gay paedophiles).

 

[Adamska]

I think I’ve found us a new euphoric.
Meet Brian Baker aka “Nonsense From The Bible” (taken from the title of one of his books) aka “No More Make Believe” (coincidently also the name of a now defunct atheist Facebook group). An ex-christian & author of two books; From Faith to Reason and as I’ve mentioned above, Nonsense from the Bible (the title alone makes it sound like it’s desperately trying to emulate The God Delusion, but then again, what atheist book doesn’t)

Here’s a few choice memes he’s posted, which knowing these lot, are presumably taken way out of context;
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More like god commenting and warning the Jews based on the Babylonian captivity. While Cyrus did free them and allow them to return to the promised land, he was likely warning the Jews not to do their shit again. Since the last time the Jews pulled shit they got murderraped by the Assyrians, the first people to practice large scale genocide... just for sweet trade.

I imagine this got interpreted as a warning that Rome will wreck their shit.

Don't get me wrong, the Lord was with his people when they genocided in Canaan, but so was Ba'al with the Phoenicians in Libya, and Jupiter with Rome against the Samnites.

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Jesus also said that he made a new covenant and actually eschewed the Sabbath himself so...

literally you do you IMO.

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Dope, you had to use the KJV as opposed to the NIV like the first one.

Anywho, yeah. Priests were the OG leaders of the Israelites pre kings; of fucking course you'd get yeeted if you told them to fuck off. It'd be like shittalking a Suffet of Qart-hadast, or a King of Babylon. You don't mouth off to the big man in ye olden times. There's a reason that the old Levitical laws were updated or changed.

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This one just seems like a thinly-veiled justification/promotion of materialism & avarice.

It's a sad attempt to dunk on Prosperity gospel I think.

But Jesus was very much a "fuck the rich" kinda guy based on a couple of passages; he also said that a camel would find it easier to thread itself through a needle than a rich man to go to heaven. He basically was screaming "WEALTH MEANS SHIT SINCE IT DOESN'T GO WITH YOU WHEN YOU DIE".

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It's a mother supporting her favorite son; what do you expect? Also Esau was retarded; he fucking pre-emptively gave away his birth right for stew.

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You think that's raunchy try the Songs of Solomon if I remember the right book.

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I mean I won't say no to killing adulterers and pedos. I actually advocate the latter to be sent to south america, specifically Uruguay, so the poor peasants can beat them to death.

As for cursing? Reminder that in old times they believed curses had power. No shit you'd be yeeted into the pit.

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And this one’s just plain childish.

He also forgot that this was God literally warning Moses "yeah don't see my face. You and your homes ain't gonna be able to take that shit".

When hit rapist defender and fake nerd Kevin Smith can nail that idea better than you in Dogma you might want to just give up as a writer, not gonna lie.

I don’t think there was any point in Muslim history (except maybe for the pre-Islamic period but since we know next to nothing about the religion/s that came before Islam , we can’t say for sure) where they were accepting of homosexuality since the Koran is a hellva lot more clear on its anti-gay stance than the Old Testament.

It was likely the same to some respect, or they understood gayness as the Greeks and Romans did; ie you fuck them in the butt it's okay, but getting fucked in the butt is weird and you need to stop existing.