Explaining stuff to Chris...

[Bernd Lauert]

While I agree that it is a good comic, it wouldn't explain the issue to Chris in a way that yielded the desired results:

To wit, it doesn't explain to him that what he did was wrong and that he was at fault.

The list at the end requires him to explain himself to the Dean and apologize to her.

Chris would immediately argue that he did both of these things and still that mean witch wouldn't allow him to put his sign back up! Because she is soooo mean!

His "do x to get y" logic would be able to turn that nice comic on its head.

 

[___]

I would love to see this series of comics continue.

The constant struggle of Chris knowing that he is autistic and doesn't pickup on social cues and that his logic is flawed, but yet he is very defensive of his logic and interpretation of social cues.

 

[teheviltwin]

While I agree that it is a good comic, it wouldn't explain the issue to Chris in a way that yielded the desired results:

To wit, it doesn't explain to him that what he did was wrong and that he was at fault.

The list at the end requires him to explain himself to the Dean and apologize to her.

Chris would immediately argue that he did both of these things and still that mean witch wouldn't allow him to put his sign back up! Because she is soooo mean!

His "do x to get y" logic would be able to turn that nice comic on its head.

It's a theory of mind comic not a finger pointing exercise. Hence trying to use Chris's ridiculous train of logic for the sign. The object of the exercise is to explain that other people have their own thoughts, feelings and motivations. Usually this sort of thing is done when someone is a child but Chris never had that specialist education. Because of this he tends to believe that other people have knowledge of his intentions etc.

I would love to see this series of comics continue.

The constant struggle of Chris knowing that he is autistic and doesn't pickup on social cues and that his logic is flawed, but yet he is very defensive of his logic and interpretation of social cues.

I am colouring another one now I brought it up again lol. Whenever I have art block I just need to go back to my initial inspiration.

I'd love to to see other stuff too. Like Chris specific "Sally-Anne" test.

 

[4Macie]

There's probably some rule or technicality that he violated. I teach college, and our campus has a designated zone for protests and demonstrations, both by student groups and visiting groups (the latter are usually freaky evangelical Christians of some type). If he went to the school where I work, Chris could have sat there all day with his racist sign and only dealt with repercussions from whatever students happened to actually read the damn thing. If, however, Alternate Universe Chris had wandered ten feet outside the boundaries of that zone with the same sign, he would have been approached by campus police and told to get back in the zone or leave. I can easily believe that he violated some kind of rule about the contents of publicly displayed signs at PVCC. However, now isn't the best time to ask Dean Walsh, so we may never know what rule it was in particular.

I've walked through the hallowed halls of pvcc and bought a mug there. Its a very modern building with rather narrow and to the point hallways. Small enough to where Chris, his table and his sign would be a problem for regular traffic flow and a sight that couldn't be avoided

People are also assuming that Chris just sat there and was silent. Chris has already shown that he will do the craziest of things to get people to notice his sign (like throwing that paper ball on a red string and 'reeling' people in; or the 'red string of fate'). I'm sure he was in the most visible spot so that all the girls could see him and I can bet he made a few noises now and then to get someone to look over at him. If his sign said what we've been told it said, many girls probably thought it was a gross form of sexual solicitation. While protests and stuff are allowed at most schools, this wasn't a protest. This was Chris straight up asking for a girlfriend so he could have sex with her. While there may not be a rule in the books saying "don't be creepy and ask people for sex everyday in this particular hallway" it's a given that he shouldn't have done it.

And it wasn't him breaking this rule that got him kicked out of PVCC. Walsh asked him to come into her office, he refused at first, she demanded he come in, he went, he pulled a Chris and started talking to sonichu, gave her the ol' curse-ye-hame-ha, and the middle finger. She suspended him, as was her right, and then he violated that suspension to 'apologize' to her.

 

[Pikonic]

I'd like to see one with his online girlfriends, had he figured it out like a sane person would the Jackie saga wouldn't have happened.
"Hmm, all my online girlfriends either die, marry trolls, or tell me that they're actually boys, I bet this ones honest!"

 

[Fuzzy Wuzzy]

You can explain stuff to Chris but that's up to him to choose whether he listens to you or not. You can't force him to listen to you because that's his choice. We tried to help him from letting him make stupid choices but he never listened so he made his own bed and now must lie in it. Not to mention, he's an adult in terms of his age and he shouldn't be needed to be reminded of how obvious behaviors can bother other people. But then again, we're dealing with someone who is mentally stuck as a child so even with comics to explain how his behavior is inappropriate, getting him to change isn't really that easy you know. He's currently stuck in a cycle of depression so even with professional help, it can take up to years for him to change instead of months. By then, its too late because he'd be heading towards his 40s that time if he lives. We could say that he might be dealing with a midlife crises at that age and suffer that problem into his elderly stage or be a mentally eternal lost and helpless child and face midlife crises in his late 50s at least. So explaining stuff to Chris is pretty much a lost cause since his parents could've taken action when he was young for his developmental issues and professionals who deal with autistic children would be able to explain stuff to him then in a way that regular teachers may not be able to with autistic children. As much as I hate to this, explaining stuff to him now wouldn't mean anything to him since he's ego is bloated beyond proportions. Therefore, explaining stuff to him now is a lost cause.

 

[Kamen Rider Black RX]

You can lead Chris to facts but you can't make him think.

 

[Alec Benson Leary]

You can lead Chris to facts but you can't make him think.

Don't I know that.

 

[SteelPlatedHeart]

You can lead Chris to facts but you can't make him think.

Don't I know that.

To quote Vivian Gee, "it's like fighting a wall."

 

[CWCissey]

To get Chris to understand stuff you would have to physically beat him until he gets it.

Let's face it, the boy's a fucking twat!

 

[Hasharin]

To get Chris to understand stuff you would have to physically beat him until he gets it.

Let's face it, the boy's a fucking twat!

It's not A-logging when it's true

 

[theobservdr]

I would love to see this series of comics continue.

The constant struggle of Chris knowing that he is autistic and doesn't pickup on social cues and that his logic is flawed, but yet he is very defensive of his logic and interpretation of social cues.

I agree there is something about the comic I like, as it can have endless possibilities.

 

[Varis]

Well, as long as there's a possibility of something happening, Chris will cling to that possibility like a drowning man will cling to a plank.
Funny that even though he constantly moans about how he is, his outlook remains forever positive: to him, if it COULD happen means that it eventually will happen.

This reminded me of a Simpsons episode where Moe says that he believes there is someone for everyone. Just then, on the other side of the globe, She-Moe hangs herself.

The irony would be lost on Chris.

edit: Found it.

Spoiler

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[Pikonic]

You can lead Chris to facts but you can't make him think.

Don't I know that.

This reminds me of an Alec call for some reason. Important shit in blue

Spoiler

Chris: [takes a smug tone] Okay, let me see. The, uh, copy-, copycat, the whole bunch of copy-, copycat of practically everything from my, nearly everything from my books. Set me on fire, chopping my head off, false witness, and uh, oh yeah, how about wanting to kill Simonla Rosechu?
Alec: Um... Do you remember all the times we talked about Simonla? Where I explained to you that I wanted you to kill her because she's not your character, and Evan wanted her gone from your comic?
Chris: Yeah.
Alec: Chris, you told me, you swore up and down to me that, that you understood the point I was trying to get across to you and that you understood what I...
Chris: [Interrupting yet again] Yeah I did, yeah I did understand that. Yeah I-
Alec: [Shutting Chris down] Well, no! You're lying to me, Chris. You obviously didn't.
Chris: No, I did, I did...
Alec: [Refusing to put up with Chris's bullshit excuses] God Chris, I can't believe, I cannot believe you did this Chris. You, you know I thought that you were just, you know, kinda going "Yeah, uh-huh" just mouthing along and pretending to understand and saying what I wanted to hear to get me off the phone. And you know, I said that to you. I asked you, "Are you doing that?" And you said "No," you said no. You, you promised you understood, you would comply, you believed what I was saying. But then this trial comes along and what you're telling me right now is apparently my words went in one ear and out the other with you. And you think that, that me and Evan did something wrong to you. You think that you have done nothing wrong? Do you seriously believe that we are, you know, antagonists and that you are just a saint here?
Chris: Hmmm. Let me think about that a moment. To ask my question best.
Alec: Okay, well, while you're thinking about it, remember: Don't tell me the answer that you think I want to hear. Tell me what you really believe. That's the answer that I actually want to hear, is what you really believe.
[Tense pause. Chris is watching South Park in the background.]
Alec: You know, I'm looking at... Uh, the page here where you had like 10 people simultaneously electrocute me. Sonichu says [wimpy voice] "Oh I'm not gay!"
[Chris attempts to respond, Alec drowns him out.]
Alec: Chris, how many times, how many times did I tell... Okay, another thing, apparently, you didn't listen to. How many times did I tell you that I never portrayed Sonichu as gay? I explained clearly to you. Because you thought that he and Asperchu are gay, and I explained to you, "No, they're just, they were just hugging because they're friends, they're close friends." And I thought that you understood that, but... Go ahead.
Chris: Yeah, but like it'd be, but the portrayal could be misconstr-, construed, especially with the, uh, all the pink, all the pink-hearted drawings that you did...
Alec: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And you did misconstrue it.
Chris: And the one, and the one where they were, the one where they were lying next to each other, in a bed situation...
Alec: Okay, okay, you did misconstrue it. That's true. And then you brought that up to me, and then I explained to you what it really meant. And now you apparently ignored that and just, you say, Sonichu says, "eeewww, you're portraying me as gay." I'm not portraying Sonichu as gay. I've never done that. The only gay characters in my comic are Wild and Simonchu... Well, Simonchu's bisexual. And, uh, I think that's it right now, actually. Well, Mitch, Mitch is gay in my comic. Although I haven't shown him having a lover yet. You know, none of my fans misunderstood that.
Chris: Hm.
Alec: I mean, not that it really matters, because the point is that you misunderstood it, you brought it up to me, and I explained it to you. I don't care that you misunderstood something, what I care about is that you apparently didn't even listen when I explained it to you. Because anybody can misunderstand something, but you brought it up to me, I explained it to you, and you made it sound like you did understand. But apparently you didn't.
Chris: Actually, I did understand, but I still had the anger and rage, I still had the anger against you. And I wanted to bear, I wanted to...
Alec: No! No. Why? Why would you have anger against me? If I explained...
Chris: One, uh, one big reason is continuing the adverts, continuing the blasphemous advertisements on my CWCipedia against me. Those are like...
Alec: [shouting over Chris] Oh, really? Hey, hey, hey, do you remember when I explained to you...
Chris: Especially, especially the ones declaring my birthday as Asperchu Day...
Alec: HEY! Chris. Chris! Do you remember when I explained to you last time that my ads are staying up there because you completely insulted me, and didn't respect what I wanted you to do in the apology video? But what you're saying me now is, you think that the ads are an attack on you. You're just completely forgetting what I told you before. Or maybe you're not forgetting it, maybe you're just choosing to disregard it. They were a direct consequence of your actions. You had the power to get rid of the ads and you did nothing. So how can you be mad at me for having the ads up? [pause] When I gave you several ways out, and you didn't take them?
Chris: Well, at least I, at least I, when, at least I went by your request and put, and hand-wrote all the apologies and everything, and killed Simonla.
Alec: Oh, oh no. You said that me and Mao and Sean and Evan killed Simonla. That's what your comic says. Apparently you didn't fulfill that part of the requirement either. Because I wanted you to kill her, but you accused me of killing her. And then you killed us in your comic. What kind of apology is that? When... Okay, an apology is when you do something wrong, you acknowledge it, and you make reparations to whoever was wronged. An apology is not where, um, you attack the person that you owe an apology to.
Chris: Hmm.
Alec: It's like you said... It's like you handed me a bowl of ice cream, said, "Hey, here's some ice cream for you," but then just as I reached out for it, you threw it on the ground. That's kind of what it feels like. Chris, do you remember last time, I told you that you were the one who drew the Voltorb? You were the one who killed Simonla.
Chris: Hm. Yeah, well,requesting the death of one of my characters comes with a price.
Alec: I'm sorry, what was that?
Chris: And, and I had... I said request of the, request of the killing of one of my characters...
Alec: NOT YOUR CHARACTER. Not, no, Simonla was not your character. She was Evan's.

 

[Marvin]

You can lead Chris to facts but you can't make him think.

Don't I know that.

This reminds me of an Alec call for some reason. Important shit in blue

Spoiler

Chris: [takes a smug tone] Okay, let me see. The, uh, copy-, copycat, the whole bunch of copy-, copycat of practically everything from my, nearly everything from my books. Set me on fire, chopping my head off, false witness, and uh, oh yeah, how about wanting to kill Simonla Rosechu?
Alec: Um... Do you remember all the times we talked about Simonla? Where I explained to you that I wanted you to kill her because she's not your character, and Evan wanted her gone from your comic?
Chris: Yeah.
Alec: Chris, you told me, you swore up and down to me that, that you understood the point I was trying to get across to you and that you understood what I...
Chris: [Interrupting yet again] Yeah I did, yeah I did understand that. Yeah I-
Alec: [Shutting Chris down] Well, no! You're lying to me, Chris. You obviously didn't.
Chris: No, I did, I did...
Alec: [Refusing to put up with Chris's bullshit excuses] God Chris, I can't believe, I cannot believe you did this Chris. You, you know I thought that you were just, you know, kinda going "Yeah, uh-huh" just mouthing along and pretending to understand and saying what I wanted to hear to get me off the phone. And you know, I said that to you. I asked you, "Are you doing that?" And you said "No," you said no. You, you promised you understood, you would comply, you believed what I was saying. But then this trial comes along and what you're telling me right now is apparently my words went in one ear and out the other with you. And you think that, that me and Evan did something wrong to you. You think that you have done nothing wrong? Do you seriously believe that we are, you know, antagonists and that you are just a saint here?
Chris: Hmmm. Let me think about that a moment. To ask my question best.
Alec: Okay, well, while you're thinking about it, remember: Don't tell me the answer that you think I want to hear. Tell me what you really believe. That's the answer that I actually want to hear, is what you really believe.
[Tense pause. Chris is watching South Park in the background.]
Alec: You know, I'm looking at... Uh, the page here where you had like 10 people simultaneously electrocute me. Sonichu says [wimpy voice] "Oh I'm not gay!"
[Chris attempts to respond, Alec drowns him out.]
Alec: Chris, how many times, how many times did I tell... Okay, another thing, apparently, you didn't listen to. How many times did I tell you that I never portrayed Sonichu as gay? I explained clearly to you. Because you thought that he and Asperchu are gay, and I explained to you, "No, they're just, they were just hugging because they're friends, they're close friends." And I thought that you understood that, but... Go ahead.
Chris: Yeah, but like it'd be, but the portrayal could be misconstr-, construed, especially with the, uh, all the pink, all the pink-hearted drawings that you did...
Alec: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And you did misconstrue it.
Chris: And the one, and the one where they were, the one where they were lying next to each other, in a bed situation...
Alec: Okay, okay, you did misconstrue it. That's true. And then you brought that up to me, and then I explained to you what it really meant. And now you apparently ignored that and just, you say, Sonichu says, "eeewww, you're portraying me as gay." I'm not portraying Sonichu as gay. I've never done that. The only gay characters in my comic are Wild and Simonchu... Well, Simonchu's bisexual. And, uh, I think that's it right now, actually. Well, Mitch, Mitch is gay in my comic. Although I haven't shown him having a lover yet. You know, none of my fans misunderstood that.
Chris: Hm.
Alec: I mean, not that it really matters, because the point is that you misunderstood it, you brought it up to me, and I explained it to you. I don't care that you misunderstood something, what I care about is that you apparently didn't even listen when I explained it to you. Because anybody can misunderstand something, but you brought it up to me, I explained it to you, and you made it sound like you did understand. But apparently you didn't.
Chris: Actually, I did understand, but I still had the anger and rage, I still had the anger against you. And I wanted to bear, I wanted to...
Alec: No! No. Why? Why would you have anger against me? If I explained...
Chris: One, uh, one big reason is continuing the adverts, continuing the blasphemous advertisements on my CWCipedia against me. Those are like...
Alec: [shouting over Chris] Oh, really? Hey, hey, hey, do you remember when I explained to you...
Chris: Especially, especially the ones declaring my birthday as Asperchu Day...
Alec: HEY! Chris. Chris! Do you remember when I explained to you last time that my ads are staying up there because you completely insulted me, and didn't respect what I wanted you to do in the apology video? But what you're saying me now is, you think that the ads are an attack on you. You're just completely forgetting what I told you before. Or maybe you're not forgetting it, maybe you're just choosing to disregard it. They were a direct consequence of your actions. You had the power to get rid of the ads and you did nothing. So how can you be mad at me for having the ads up? [pause] When I gave you several ways out, and you didn't take them?
Chris: Well, at least I, at least I, when, at least I went by your request and put, and hand-wrote all the apologies and everything, and killed Simonla.
Alec: Oh, oh no. You said that me and Mao and Sean and Evan killed Simonla. That's what your comic says. Apparently you didn't fulfill that part of the requirement either. Because I wanted you to kill her, but you accused me of killing her. And then you killed us in your comic. What kind of apology is that? When... Okay, an apology is when you do something wrong, you acknowledge it, and you make reparations to whoever was wronged. An apology is not where, um, you attack the person that you owe an apology to.
Chris: Hmm.
Alec: It's like you said... It's like you handed me a bowl of ice cream, said, "Hey, here's some ice cream for you," but then just as I reached out for it, you threw it on the ground. That's kind of what it feels like. Chris, do you remember last time, I told you that you were the one who drew the Voltorb? You were the one who killed Simonla.
Chris: Hm. Yeah, well,requesting the death of one of my characters comes with a price.
Alec: I'm sorry, what was that?
Chris: And, and I had... I said request of the, request of the killing of one of my characters...
Alec: NOT YOUR CHARACTER. Not, no, Simonla was not your character. She was Evan's.

Alec's calls were fantastic. This is my favorite part of that call:

Alec: Admit that you lied to me when you said, when you agreed with me that you didn't have a right to use Simonla. Admit that you have always believed that Simonla is yours.
Chris: [long pause] I'll admit...that.
Alec: Oh, okay. Okay, good, so all of our previous calls were just lies, then.
Chris: Not, no, not, no, they actually happened.