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[Marvin]

I don't know if this is confirmed or not but I think he drank the LIIT because Marge Simpson drank one once. But he said it went down salty

Yeah, that's how it went down.

 

[Holdek]

Well, it was moralizing, but he didn't have a personally strong opinion about drugs or alcohol either way. Considering how quickly he changed his mind on the subject. He parroted typical anti-drug/anti-drinking stuff, just filtered through his perceptions.
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Heh, well, it's not sugary alcoholic drinks that's the problem, because those drinks are meant to be that way. It's Chris misunderstanding beer.

He's just a man-child basically.

Growing up in the south? I see people bringing up Chris' "southern" upbringing and I don't really get it. Chris grew up in Virginia, near cities. I mean, maybe they're more different south of the Potomac than I'm thinking, but I didn't notice anything too strange when I visited Charlottesville. (Yeah, Virginia smokes only a bit more than Maryland, for example.)

He grew up in the South, but it's the Upper South. The DC-NOVA area is noticeably different to me than Richmond and further south, or even western Maryland. But, still, "Southernness" doesn't really come into play until you hit South Carolina and get into the Deep South. That's when things might be different regarding upbringing and such, at least as far as the stereotypes are concerned.

 

[OBAMATRON]

 

[Marvin]

He grew up in the South, but it's the Upper South. The DC-NOVA area is noticeably different to me than Richmond and further south, or even western Maryland. But, still, "Southernness" doesn't really come into play until you hit South Carolina and get into the Deep South. That's when things might be different regarding upbringing and such, at least as far as the stereotypes are concerned.

Oh yeah, I definitely wouldn't base my understanding of Virginia based on NOVA. Mostly because the DC metro area is noticeably different from Baltimore and other parts of Maryland.

If I went south through Virginia, I might find things I notice to be different from Maryland. But still, ultimately, when people bring up that Chris is from the "south", I really don't see it as even a noticeable influence on Chris. To me, anyway.

 

[Hyperion]

Well and also if the brownie had the indica strain she probably would have just chilled

I don't know if this is confirmed or not but I think he drank the LIIT because Marge Simpson drank one once.

But he said it went down salty

The bartender probably put salt around the brim of the glass.

Now I want a long island... but I don't want to wake up in jail...

 

[A-№1]

But still, ultimately, when people bring up that Chris is from the "south", I really don't see it as even a noticeable influence on Chris.

Yeah, Chris is much more stereotypically an appalachia hillbilly / redneck / bumpkin than stereotypically "southern" (whatever that is supposed to mean).

 

[Holdek]

Oh yeah, I definitely wouldn't base my understanding of Virginia based on NOVA. Mostly because the DC metro area is noticeably different from Baltimore and other parts of Maryland.

If I went south through Virginia, I might find things I notice to be different from Maryland. But still, ultimately, when people bring up that Chris is from the "south", I really don't see it as even a noticeable influence on Chris. To me, anyway.

Yeah. And when he says stuff like, "Hmm, yeah, dat gottang commode don't work no more Momma!" or whatever, in a kind of Southern twang, I think a fair amount of that is his speech impediment making it more noticeable, and the fact that his vocabulary was modeled after geriatric parents and Red Skelton bits.

The bartender probably put salt around the brim of the glass.

He drinks it from a straw (of course), so I think he's reacting to the sour mix and isn't describing it accurately. He probably expected it to taste like sweet tea from McD's.

Spoiler

That or it might have been the troll bartender who ejaculated into it because he heard Chris liked the taste of semen.

 

[Hyperion]

He drinks it from a straw (of course), so I think he's reacting to the sour mix and isn't describing it accurately. He probably expected it to taste like sweat tea from McD's.

Spoiler

That or it might have been the troll bartender who ejaculated into it because he heard Chris liked the taste of semen.

Forgot about the straw. What a pussy.

 

[Holdek]

Forgot about the straw. What a pussy.

It's endemic of our generation, really. Grown men drinking mixed drinks through straws at bars.

Maybe my second biggest gear grinder after the vodka becoming the default for martinis.

 

[Flowers For Sonichu]

It's strange he was so anti-drinking considering Bob and Barb met when they were shitfaced out of their god damn minds. I wonder if they went to AA or something while he was growing up.

 

[Mogambo]

Growing up in the south? I see people bringing up Chris' "southern" upbringing and I don't really get it. Chris grew up in Virginia, near cities. I mean, maybe they're more different south of the Potomac than I'm thinking, but I didn't notice anything too strange when I visited Charlottesville. (Yeah, Virginia smokes only a bit more than Maryland, for example.)

Well... for me, Southern defines a culture, heritage and identity as much as geography. It doesn't necessarily mean rural, let alone backwards; you've got some pretty decent sized cities in the south like Atlanta, Nashville, Dallas, Houston, Austin, etc. And its not necessarily fire-and-brimestone fundamentalists or right wing politicians either. Bill Clinton was the governor of Arkansas. Twice! And you'll find plenty of liberals, especially in the big cities and the college towns like Athens or Chapel Hill. Heck, if anything, I'd say Southerners are more liberal about some things, including alcohol than Northerners, but that's purely anecdotal.

I guess I just find Chris' behaviour odd in most respects anyway, South or North.

Also, I'd point out that by some definitions, Maryland would count as a Southern state too (including the US census bureau). It was a slave state, and a border state during the Civil War, and indeed the entire point of the famed Mason-Dixon line was to demarcate the border between Maryland and Pennsylvania. Parts of Indiana and Illinois, along with Missouri, are south of the Mason-Dixon line. Of course, on the flip side, many people (including some Southerners) don't include Kentucky or West Virginia as "Southern" so its a rather contentious issue.

I say this with all due love and respect for "the South," in geography, in history, in spirit, and in her people.

 

[normankrasner]

Well... for me, Southern defines a culture, heritage and identity as much as geography. It doesn't necessarily mean rural, let alone backwards; you've got some pretty decent sized cities in the south like Atlanta, Nashville, Dallas, Houston, Austin, etc. And its not necessarily fire-and-brimestone fundamentalists or right wing politicians either. Bill Clinton was the governor of Arkansas. Twice! And you'll find plenty of liberals, especially in the big cities and the college towns like Athens or Chapel Hill. Heck, if anything, I'd say Southerners are more liberal about some things, including alcohol than Northerners, but that's purely anecdotal.

I guess I just find Chris' behaviour odd in most respects anyway, South or North.

Also, I'd point out that by some definitions, Maryland would count as a Southern state too (including the US census bureau). It was a slave state, and a border state during the Civil War, and indeed the entire point of the famed Mason-Dixon line was to demarcate the border between Maryland and Pennsylvania. Parts of Indiana and Illinois, along with Missouri, are south of the Mason-Dixon line. Of course, on the flip side, many people (including some Southerners) don't include Kentucky or West Virginia as "Southern" so its a rather contentious issue.

I say this with all due love and respect for "the South," in geography, in history, in spirit, and in her people.

Missouri might be more a Southern state than VA, since Mizzou joining the SEC and going to the Republican in the past 2 elections

 

[Marvin]

Well... for me, Southern defines a culture, heritage and identity as much as geography. It doesn't necessarily mean rural, let alone backwards; you've got some pretty decent sized cities in the south like Atlanta, Nashville, Dallas, Houston, Austin, etc. And its not necessarily fire-and-brimestone fundamentalists or right wing politicians either. Bill Clinton was the governor of Arkansas. Twice! And you'll find plenty of liberals, especially in the big cities and the college towns like Athens or Chapel Hill. Heck, if anything, I'd say Southerners are more liberal about some things, including alcohol than Northerners, but that's purely anecdotal.

I guess I just find Chris' behaviour odd in most respects anyway, South or North.

Also, I'd point out that by some definitions, Maryland would count as a Southern state too (including the US census bureau). It was a slave state, and a border state during the Civil War, and indeed the entire point of the famed Mason-Dixon line was to demarcate the border between Maryland and Pennsylvania. Parts of Indiana and Illinois, along with Missouri, are south of the Mason-Dixon line. Of course, on the flip side, many people (including some Southerners) don't include Kentucky or West Virginia as "Southern" so its a rather contentious issue.

I say this with all due love and respect for "the South," in geography, in history, in spirit, and in her people.

Oh, there are definitely great places in the south. You're not completely lost if you're in the south.

I don't talk about north vs south concerning Texas. Texas is unique. (And really, north vs south quickly becomes meaningless the further west you go.)

Culturally, none of those things really relate to anything nowadays. I always find it very silly when people bring up the mason-dixon line, for example. Really, to me, the southern shore of the potomac is where you enter the south.

It's endemic of our generation, really. Grown men drinking mixed drinks through straws at bars.

Maybe my second biggest gear grinder after the vodka becoming the default for martinis.

The use of the straw, to me, is to suck up every last bit of liquor, once the ice makes it infeasible to just drink from the glass.

 

[CatParty]

The use of the straw, to me, is to suck up every last bit of liquor, once the ice makes it infeasible to just drink from the glass.

 

[Alec Benson Leary]

It's strange he was so anti-drinking considering Bob and Barb met when they were shitfaced out of their god damn minds. I wonder if they went to AA or something while he was growing up.

Nah, it was purely the DARE program. Chris is a total tool, after all.

 

[A-№1]

It's endemic of our generation, really. Grown men drinking mixed drinks through straws at bars.

Does anyone actually do that? I mean apart from Chris, for whom the standard in beverages will always be the unlimited refills McDonalds large cup soda with a straw and lid.

Maybe my second biggest gear grinder after the vodka becoming the default for martinis.

You can probably thank Bond films for that.

It's strange he was so anti-drinking considering Bob and Barb met when they were shitfaced out of their god damn minds. I wonder if they went to AA or something while he was growing up.

Chris' dryness was more an opportunity for him to preach to people and feel morally superior to them than an actual antipathy towards alcohol. Note how quickly he hypocritically abandoned it at the first opportunity. Knowing Chris, he probably got it from some "educational" after school programming.

Well... for me, Southern defines a culture, heritage and identity as much as geography.

Maybe it's because I've had to travel a lot, but the character of the southern states is a lot more fine grained than that, even within the same state. Ask Null some time about how people are different just in Florida between the panhandle and the keys. The differences have a lot more do do with the local landscape than just map coordinates. Yes, there is some basis for hollywood's stereotypical "southerner" (though hollywood has blown that all out of proportion), but it comes more from specific regions in some southern states than just those states. If you want to know what those regions are, look at an old malaria map. The two factors may well be related.

Spoiler: Extent of "southernness" and malaria

And its not necessarily fire-and-brimestone fundamentalists or right wing politicians either. Bill Clinton was the governor of Arkansas. Twice! And you'll find plenty of liberals, especially in the big cities and the college towns like Athens or Chapel Hill. Heck, if anything, I'd say Southerners are more liberal about some things, including alcohol than Northerners, but that's purely anecdotal.

It's not a political party thing at all though. Again, maybe it's because I'm old enough to remember, but time was the democrats had an absolute lock on the southern states, and they were NOT liberal. Hell, most of 'em still aren't. Just look at Tipper Gore, good christian democrat politician's wife that she is, and her crusade against music with that PMRC censorship bullshit.

I guess I just find Chris' behaviour odd in most respects anyway, South or North.

Chris' behavior and accent are closer to chawbacon appalachian than anything else. I don't know where Bob or Barb's people come from, but I would not be surprised if they dropped out of the shenandoah through rockfish gap in the blue ridge and only got as far as C-ville before crashing into slumber.

Of course, on the flip side, many people (including some Southerners) don't include Kentucky or West Virginia as "Southern" so its a rather contentious issue.

Because they're mostly appalachia once you get away from the mississippi and ohio rivers.

I say this with all due love and respect for "the South," in geography, in history, in spirit, and in her people.

Mint julep. That's all you need to know to love the south.

Missouri might be more a Southern state than VA, since Mizzou joining the SEC and going to the Republican in the past 2 elections

Again, not a political thing. And I'm begging you not to try to make it one.

Culturally, none of those things really relate to anything nowadays. I always find it very silly when people bring up the mason-dixon line, for example. Really, to me, the southern shore of the potomac is where you enter the south.

I've seen a much higher density of confederate flags in Idaho than ever anywhere south of Pennsylvania. Go figure.

The use of the straw, to me, is to suck up every last bit of liquor, once the ice makes it infeasible to just drink from the glass.

Please tell me you're describing why Chris does that, not yourself.

 

[HipstrsGonnaHip]

I've seen a much higher density of confederate flags in Idaho than ever anywhere south of Pennsylvania. Go figure.

Idaho has been a hotbed of white supremacist movements in the past.

 

[Marvin]

Chris' dryness was more an opportunity for him to preach to people and feel morally superior to them than an actual antipathy towards alcohol. Note how quickly he hypocritically abandoned it at the first opportunity. Knowing Chris, he probably got it from some "educational" after school programming.

Absolutely this.

Please tell me you're describing why Chris does that, not yourself.

Haha, hey, I drink most of it normally, but still, I paid for my booze, damnit, I'm going to drink all of my booze.

 

[Mogambo]

Chris' dryness was more an opportunity for him to preach to people and feel morally superior to them than an actual antipathy towards alcohol. Note how quickly he hypocritically abandoned it at the first opportunity. Knowing Chris, he probably got it from some "educational" after school programming.

Yeah know, that does make sense. We know he parrots back everything he sees on TV shows, and he's of the right age for things like G.I. Joe and Captain Planet... of course he didn't like 'boy' toys so maybe he didn't get into that. I don't know. He'd also be in the right age group to have had D.A.R.E. in his schools too.

Maybe it's because I've had to travel a lot, but the character of the southern states is a lot more fine grained than that, even within the same state. Ask Null some time about how people are different just in Florida between the panhandle and the keys.

Yeah. Well again, Florida's weird thanks to heavy immigration and a migration of mostly older and/or wealthier people from the north. The old time Florida crackers are pretty stereotypically southern, and actually share quite a bit with their neighbours in Georgia.

The differences have a lot more do do with the local landscape than just map coordinates. Yes, there is some basis for hollywood's stereotypical "southerner" (though hollywood has blown that all out of proportion), but it comes more from specific regions in some southern states than just those states. If you want to know what those regions are, look at an old malaria map. The two factors may well be related.

Spoiler: Extent of "southernness" and malaria

Well, it partly has to do with the climate, sure, but also history. South was mostly rural and agrarian. South had a lot more land. And most of all, the South bore the brunt of the Civil War, which put them at both a political and cultural disadvantage up until about the time of Goldwater's "Southern strategy." Indeed, the whole Southern identity still brings up mixed feelings for some people. Ironically, I would argue the Southern dialect is one of the most widespread and identifiable dialects in the US.

It's not a political party thing at all though. Again, maybe it's because I'm old enough to remember, but time was the democrats had an absolute lock on the southern states, and they were NOT liberal.

Yep. The Democrats were actually the ones in favor of both segregation and slavery. A lot of people forget that. George Wallace, long time governor of Alabama and staunch segregationist, was a Democrat. Robert Byrd, former Senator of West Virginia, was a Democrat and a Klansman in the 40s. You want to go all the way back, bloody Jefferson Davis was a Democrat too. Lincoln and the Republicans were actually the ones who were against slavery

Chris' behavior and accent are closer to chawbacon appalachian than anything else. I don't know where Bob or Barb's people come from, but I would not be surprised if they dropped out of the shenandoah through rockfish gap in the blue ridge and only got as far as C-ville before crashing into slumber.

This is the best assessment I have seen on this thread.

Mint julep. That's all you need to know to love the south.

Also this.

I've seen a much higher density of confederate flags in Idaho than ever anywhere south of Pennsylvania. Go figure.

Well, to be fair, I see a lot of Confederate flags in the Midwest. Granted, the Civil War divided states. You had people from Illinois to South Dakota who fought on the side of the Confederacy (and conversely, plenty of Southerners who supported the Union) but it is rather silly to see the whole faux redneck culture on display. Especially when kids from suburban areas play at being rural.

On a darker note, the KKK (and other, more violent white supremacist organizations) are much more active in the Midwest and the West than they are in the South. Oh, I'm not saying racism and hatred don't exist down there, because unfortunately they still do. But what I'm saying is that you have much more radical groups running around, despite Hollywood's stereotypes.

 

[Hyperion]

(And really, north vs south quickly becomes meaningless the further west you go.)

I prefer to think of Californians as rednecks.