Caesar is about as nepotistic as you can get, picking Lanius as his successor simply because of his blind loyalty and obedience. Inculta is far more competent as a leader, but most of the Legion wouldn't trust him due to the dipshit culture Caesar has built. And Lanius is just a psychotic warmonger who is unfit to actually lead long term and will likely exhaust the Legion with war after war until it breaks like the NCR through overexpansion, something you can get him to admit with a speech check... and something he probably knows but doesn't have the fucking balls to say because it would be going against Caesar.
Lanius actually got there because he was worth his weight in salt as a general. And people keep shitting on him as some kind of idiot, but he has a strong grasp of logistics that Caesar lacks. In fact, I'd say that Lanius could keep the Legion going more than Caesar would. He'd be more interested in keeping the Legion secure rather than going on nonstop foreign wars the way Caesar does.
If he had any sense he would promote Lucius to a position above Praetorian and groom him for leadership. Lucius isn't an idiot, he's a very tempered and competent commander, the real problem is his position. He can be challenged and killed by anyone who wants his job, the same way he got the job in the first place.
Lucius is at most, a somewhat competent doorman and soldier. But if I were Caesar, I'd be grooming the Courier or Vulpes instead. Indeed, it seems that Caesar WAS grooming the Courier, since he was impressed with the Courier's accomplishments up to that point and honestly tells them about how the Legion was inspired by Ancient Rome, as well as the ins and outs of the Legion. That, and he puts the Courier's face in the money after the Courier's victory on his behalf, which is an old Roman signal that this person is the future of the Empire.
These mods are mostly just more or less empty or useless scripts that do nothing besides awkardly bridge together mods that most of the time end up breaking, or adding very small and autistic explanations for every single minute detail of quests and sidequests, like dogmeat's name or support for very old, niche and terrible weaboo/gameplay mods
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In trying to make an abomination of a modded New Vegas by punching Frontier and New California into TTW, I ran into this mod maybe a week before the post. Played through New California with it so I could immediately get to Fallout 3, since the mod author put in a level cap to lock you out of New California if you're level 3 or higher.
The "lore" written to bridge the Star Player to the Lone Wanderer is absolutely awful, though knowing now how much awful writing they've made through the years it's not a surprise. Like a lot of bad modding, it screams an inability to separate mod development from fetishism. I just pulled the more interesting notes out of the GECK than have to stare at it ingame again.
In addition, lately I've been curious about the whole level 3 lockout the mod put in place and why is it in there. This was the primary motivation that pushed me over the edge to make a post about this trash.
They put in a quest in the GECK to keep firing off to check the player's level, and whether they beat New California or not, and if the player level is above 3 then "explode" the New California area by simply locking the door to the entrance. I wanted to understand why this happens, so I force started New California as a level 12 character since that's the level recommended for beginning Frontier.
When you use the vigor machine, you get a massive amount of XP but unless you're level 1 or 2 when starting the NPCs still tell you to use the vigor machine. Should we check the script for the New California Vigor Testers in GECK?
Since we're level 1 during this section normally, the script is giving us a free level up to level 2 during this part, and then moving the script forwards. However, the game waits to do the next part of the script until the player is exactly level 2 to give them time to do their level up. Problem is since the logic operator is Equal To that if the player level is over 2, it'll lock up and not move forward like we saw. How can we fix this script so that it runs no matter what level the player is?
One single character, to change the operator from Equal To to Greater Than or Equal To.
This moron wrote an entire quest to keep checking the player's level over and over to make sure they didn't get too far into the game before playing New California with an entire script that also checks over and over, all because of not knowing how or bothering to to check the script where it softlocks and add an extremely obvious workaround. This is legitimately one of the most dumbest bugs I've seen packaged as a "feature" in a mod for any videogame.
Edit: Added an extra note and the "Lineage tree" behind the door that is locked until you beat New California.
Some context on the notes in case you never played New California: Father is a Super Mutant trying to LARP as Master, obsessed with restarting Unity. The big ending twist is that you, the Star Player, are one of Father's clones made from the Vault Dweller's blood collected after the Master bossfight, and then mixed with experimental FEV to make the perfect specimen. Of course the mod tries to tie this in with a Super Mutant scientist named Auntie dispatched by Father with a second specimen which leads to these notes and in their lore, the first specimen is the Star Player while the second specimen is the Lone Wanderer, both being clones of the Vault Dweller.
Lanius actually got there because he was worth his weight in salt as a general. And people keep shitting on him as some kind of idiot, but he has a strong grasp of logistics that Caesar lacks. In fact, I'd say that Lanius could keep the Legion going more than Caesar would. He'd be more interested in keeping the Legion secure rather than going on nonstop foreign wars the way Caesar does.
Lucius is at most, a somewhat competent doorman and soldier. But if I were Caesar, I'd be grooming the Courier or Vulpes instead. Indeed, it seems that Caesar WAS grooming the Courier, since he was impressed with the Courier's accomplishments up to that point and honestly tells them about how the Legion was inspired by Ancient Rome, as well as the ins and outs of the Legion. That, and he puts the Courier's face in the money after the Courier's victory on his behalf, which is an old Roman signal that this person is the future of the Empire.
Problem being that Lanius is slavishly devoted to Caesar's idiotic vision of conquering the NCR because MUH HEIGELIAN SYNTHESIS!
Even if you talk him down at Hoover Dam he's stupidly promising to throw himself at the NCR again despite the fact that the Courier just solved enough of their problems to make them even fucking harder to fight in the future. Even if you back House instead of the NCR they now have to contend with an army of Mk2 Securitrons that will tear their primitive asses a new shitter then thorougly violate them in it unlubed.
It's basically just delaying the Legion's death.
If Caesar was actually smart he wouldn't need his moronic synthesis to create a workable nation. He'd be able to do it himself.
Frankly I'm convinced that Caesar's Legion is the ultimate temper tantrum.
"Waaaaah, they couldn't protect my daddy, waaaaah!"
Hence his obsession with the NCR. He wants to destroy it because it failed him personally.
Because he could continue conquering everything east of Colorado far easier than trying to conquer the NCR and build a nation that is larger and stronger than the NCR. But he doesn't, because he NEEDS to destroy the system that failed him. All of his spiel about Heigelian Dialectics is just justification. As Joshua Graham said;
"I want my revenge. Against him. Against Caesar. I want to call it my own, to make my anger God's anger. To justify the things I've done."
Lanius actually got there because he was worth his weight in salt as a general. And people keep shitting on him as some kind of idiot, but he has a strong grasp of logistics that Caesar lacks. In fact, I'd say that Lanius could keep the Legion going more than Caesar would. He'd be more interested in keeping the Legion secure rather than going on nonstop foreign wars the way Caesar does.
Ah yes, which is why Lanius shamelessly throws away hundreds of Legionaries to zero results chasing down the Remnants out of fear after they attack the NCR for the Legion, whereas Caesar is smart enough to realize pursuing them is wasted effort.
Ah yes, which is why Lanius shamelessly throws away hundreds of Legionaries to zero results chasing down the Remnants out of fear after they attack the NCR for the Legion, whereas Caesar is smart enough to realize pursuing them is wasted effort.
Problem being that Lanius is slavishly devoted to Caesar's idiotic vision of conquering the NCR because MUH HEIGELIAN SYNTHESIS!
Even if you talk him down at Hoover Dam he's stupidly promising to throw himself at the NCR again despite the fact that the Courier just solved enough of their problems to make them even fucking harder to fight in the future. Even if you back House instead of the NCR they now have to contend with an army of Mk2 Securitrons that will tear their primitive asses a new shitter then thorougly violate them in it unlubed.
It's basically just delaying the Legion's death.
If Caesar was actually smart he wouldn't need his moronic synthesis to create a workable nation. He'd be able to do it himself.
Frankly I'm convinced that Caesar's Legion is the ultimate temper tantrum.
"Waaaaah, they couldn't protect my daddy, waaaaah!"
Hence his obsession with the NCR. He wants to destroy it because it failed him personally.
Because he could continue conquering everything east of Colorado far easier than trying to conquer the NCR and build a nation that is larger and stronger than the NCR. But he doesn't, because he NEEDS to destroy the system that failed him. All of his spiel about Heigelian Dialectics is just justification. As Joshua Graham said;
"I want my revenge. Against him. Against Caesar. I want to call it my own, to make my anger God's anger. To justify the things I've done."
So? Even if the Legion was just some punk's temper tantrum, it's still ten times better than the NCR. Sure, it will fall apart once he dies, but the NCR is already falling apart after Tandi died. We're seeing it slowly atomize with Brahmin Barons slowly keking the government and turning it into their vassal state while the army loses 1000 soldiers a year and the locals are just fucked. And the NCR pretty much creates its own problems. Aside from the Legion, they also created the Powder Gangers through their own stupidity.
Plus, the Legion didn't even start as the Legion. They've always been changing. They used to be a confederacy of tribes, then they turned into an army, then they'll become a more metropolitan nation once they take Vegas and invade California.
Lanius also didn't want to waste men trying to take the Mojave in the first place.
"The west is a trap. The bear is caught in that trap, and it is dying."
So? Even if the Legion was just some punk's temper tantrum, it's still ten times better than the NCR. Sure, it will fall apart once he dies, but the NCR is already falling apart after Tandi died. We're seeing it slowly atomize with Brahmin Barons slowly keking the government and turning it into their vassal state while the army loses 1000 soldiers a year and the locals are just fucked. And the NCR pretty much creates its own problems. Aside from the Legion, they also created the Powder Gangers through their own stupidity.
Plus, the Legion didn't even start as the Legion. They've always been changing. They used to be a confederacy of tribes, then they turned into an army, then they'll become a more metropolitan nation once they take Vegas and invade California.
Yeah, didn't want to waste troops in the Mojave, perfectly willing to waste hundreds of troops hunting down old farts who outright fought on his side because he's a pants wetting tribal moron.
The moment Caesar dies and the Legion collapses everything is, if anything, going to become worse than it was before the Legion as the Legion breaks into warring factions of raiders.
Meanwhile if Kimball dies they elect a new president and carry on.
Sounds like the NCRs model is superior.
Yeah, didn't want to waste troops in the Mojave, perfectly willing to waste hundreds of troops hunting down old farts who outright fought on his side because he's a pants wetting tribal moron.
The moment Caesar dies and the Legion collapses everything is, if anything, going to become worse than it was before the Legion as the Legion breaks into warring factions of raiders.
Meanwhile if Kimball dies they elect a new president and carry on.
Sounds like the NCRs model is superior.
Not really. The NCR is already falling apart with the Brahmin Barons and the Senatorial infighting. Meanwhile, Caesar dies, they grab their best warrior, Lanius or some other chump, and make him the new Caesar, and they keep on going under one leader.
Nowhere near as dumb as the NCR, still. That tribal moron is far more intelligent than most of the best military minds in the NCR.
Not really. The NCR is already falling apart with the Brahmin Barons and the Senatorial infighting. Meanwhile, Caesar dies, they grab their best warrior, Lanius or some other chump, as the new Caesar, and they keep on going.
Aaaand once again Lanius (or whoever else replaces Caesar) is stated to be such a window-licking logistical retard that he's willing to expend hundreds of troops chasing down and killing his own fucking allies. Such intelligence, much wisdom, wow.
Aaaand once again Lanius (or whoever else replaces Caesar) is stated to be such a window-licking logistical retard that he's willing to expend hundreds of troops chasing down and killing his own fucking allies. Such intelligence, much wisdom, wow.
Stated, but the NCR is also just as dumb to attack any Enclave folks. If you have Arcade help the NCR, then have the Legion win, they arrest him and throw him in jail forever just because his dad's armor is Enclave property. Even though he was helping NCR citizens escape. They're just as bad towards the Enclave remnants as Lanius was.
Yes, much wisdom indeed.
Lanius also knows how not to expand, since he sees the strain it puts on both the Legion and the NCR. Which shows how wiser he is compared to Caesar AND Kimball.
Stated, but the NCR is also just as dumb to attack any Enclave folks. If you have Arcade help the NCR, then have the Legion win, they arrest him and throw him in jail forever just because his dad's armor is Enclave property. Even though he was helping NCR citizens escape. They're just as bad towards the Enclave remnants as Lanius was.
Yes, much wisdom indeed.
Lanius also knows how not to expand, since he sees the strain it puts on both the Legion and the NCR. Which shows how wiser he is compared to Caesar AND Kimball.
Considering its a max-level check that's as much a bluff as it is fact, given that the Courier cannot possibly know the exact manpower situation of the Legion, you're making a hefty assumption there about his intelligence. Also, one of the conversation paths is convincing him he's gonna get backstabbed by his fellow Legionaries in true Roman style, so that too is another strike against your assumptions.
And considering they throw Arcade in jail its pretty obvious they had him dead to rights and he surrendered peacefully instead of wiping out god knows how many NCR troopers with a plasma gun. Yeah, he's treated like shit, but it isn't "I'm having my men die by the hundreds to chase down a Vertibird" levels of stupidity on the NCR's end.
Considering its a max-level check that's as much a bluff as it is fact, given that the Courier cannot possibly know the exact manpower situation of the Legion, you're making a hefty assumption there about his intelligence. Also, one of the conversation paths is convincing him he's gonna get backstabbed by his fellow Legionaries in true Roman style, so that too is another strike against your assumptions.
It's not an assumption when Lanius describes how hard the logistics of expansion are to you in rather clear terms. Which means that if he were in charge, he wouldn't have gone to the Mojave anyways, due to how the East was a hard-fought victory.
And considering they throw Arcade in jail its pretty obvious they had him dead to rights and he surrendered peacefully instead of wiping out god knows how many NCR troopers with a plasma gun. Yeah, he's treated like shit, but it isn't "I'm having my men die by the hundreds to chase down a Vertibird" levels of stupidity on the NCR's end.
Yet they were still in the middle of losing the Mojave to the Legion, so instead of just using Arcade as a meatshield to help protect their civilians, they throw him in jail. At least when Lanius goes after the Enclave, the most he does is lose a few disposable mooks and he still wins control of the land anyways. When the NCR arrests Arcade, they're already losing and they could use all the help they can get, but they foolishly choose to arrest him instead and try him as a war criminal. Instead of, you know, just letting him protect civilians and get killed by the Legion instead?
There's "sending some disposable mooks to chase down a vertibird while you're winning" stupid, and there's "arrest a guy who would help you when you're LITERALLY LOSING THE REGION" stupid. I'm pretty sure the latter is worse than the former.
Stated, but the NCR is also just as dumb to attack any Enclave folks. If you have Arcade help the NCR, then have the Legion win, they arrest him and throw him in jail forever just because his dad's armor is Enclave property.
Lanius also knows how not to expand, since he sees the strain it puts on both the Legion and the NCR.
At least the NCR have the justification of having witnessed the Enclave attempting to commit a genocide. Lanius is just a primitive luddite who is afraid of them because of bright shiny flashlight guns.
Hundreds of troops lost for no gain. Fucking moronic.
And that ending only happens if for some reason you're enough of a brainlet to side with the Legion but tell the Remnants to fight for the NCR, and tell Arcade to fight with them.
Every other NCR ending works out for him fairly well, or simply has him wandering east "never to be seen again".
Meanwhile not one Legion ending works out well for him. He either kills himself to spite Caesar, is crucified by Lanius, or is killed by Legion troops when he's pointed out to a Centurion, or killed by NCR troops because he's caught in a fight between them and the Legion. Not one good ending for him, and the worst NCR ending is him in prison or exile.
At least the NCR have the justification of having witnessed the Enclave attempting to commit a genocide. Lanius is just a primitive luddite who is afraid of them because of bright shiny flashlight guns.
Hundreds of troops lost for no gain. Fucking moronic.
How do you know that Lanius doesn't know about things? How do you know he's a luddite? Caesar was the one who banned robots and drugs, not Lanius. For all we know, Caesar, the former NCR citizen, could have told Lanius about the Enclave.
The NCR persecutes both the Brotherhood and the Enclave Remnants even as they're losing the war with the Legion. Which is even more moronic, as they're losing THOUSANDS OF MEN against the Legion. THOUSANDS. They even get salty when you get the BoS to join them-you get INFAMY for getting the BoS to join the NCR. And they would have sent troops to attack the BoS had the Courier not been there as a second option.
And that ending only happens if for some reason you're enough of a brainlet to side with the Legion but tell the Remnants to fight for the NCR, and tell Arcade to fight with them.
Every other NCR ending works out for him fairly well, or simply has him wandering east "never to be seen again".
Meanwhile not one Legion ending works out well for him. He either kills himself to spite Caesar, is crucified by Lanius, or is killed by Legion troops when he's pointed out to a Centurion, or killed by NCR troops because he's caught in a fight between them and the Legion. Not one good ending for him, and the worst NCR ending is him in prison or exile.
How do you know that Lanius doesn't know about things? How do you know he's a luddite? Caesar was the one who banned robots and drugs, not Lanius. For all we know, Caesar, the former NCR citizen, could have told Lanius about the Enclave.
The NCR persecutes both the Brotherhood and the Enclave Remnants even as they're losing the war with the Legion. Which is even more moronic, as they're losing THOUSANDS OF MEN against the Legion. THOUSANDS. They even get salty when you get the BoS to join them-you get INFAMY for getting the BoS to join the NCR.
Most of the time, I just cure Caesar's tumor and the Enclave comes in and leaves with Caesar leaves them alone.
I just told Arcade to go feck off and go back to the Followers.
Lanius was a tribal. He knows jack shit about tech and thinks it makes you weak. He's a luddite, dude.
And I love how you ignore that every single Legion ending ends with Arcade dead and just use your own in-game actions to excuse it away. Even if you send him bak to the followers, if the Legion wins they kill him and EVERYBODY in his group.
And I love how you ignore that every single Legion ending ends with Arcade dead and just use your own in-game actions to excuse it away. Even if you send him bak to the followers, if the Legion wins they kill him and EVERYBODY in his group.
To be fair, Caesar is rather loyal to you if you do as he says, down to the point where he'd put your face on the money, which is the old Roman way of determining who will be the heir to the throne.
But if I were to choose, I'd choose neither the NCR or the Legion, when House and Yes Man are options.
I can either put someone smarter than Caesar in charge, or I can be the ruler of the Mojave myself.
The only reason why I'd side with the NCR is to run for President. Then I'll do what Kimball should have done and turn it into a military dictatorship with Securitrons patrolling the place and Enclave remnants training new power-armored troops to enforce my will. The NCR army has long been overdue for a fucking overhaul, and the last thing I'd want is for my soldiers to go into battle wearing potato-sack uniforms while wielding low-caliber guns. When tribals who wear uniforms more fit for a dance troupe in Fiji can kick the NCR army's ass, it really goes to show that someone needs to slap them around and get them some real gear and training.
In trying to make an abomination of a modded New Vegas by punching Frontier and New California into TTW, I ran into this mod maybe a week before the post. Played through New California with it so I could immediately get to Fallout 3, since the mod author put in a level cap to lock you out of New California if you're level 3 or higher.
The "lore" written to bridge the Star Player to the Lone Wanderer is absolutely awful, though knowing now how much awful writing they've made through the years it's not a surprise. Like a lot of bad modding, it screams an inability to separate mod development from fetishism. I just pulled the more interesting notes out of the GECK than have to stare at it ingame again.
In addition, lately I've been curious about the whole level 3 lockout the mod put in place and why is it in there. This was the primary motivation that pushed me over the edge to make a post about this trash.
They put in a quest in the GECK to keep firing off to check the player's level, and whether they beat New California or not, and if the player level is above 3 then "explode" the New California area by simply locking the door to the entrance. I wanted to understand why this happens, so I force started New California as a level 12 character since that's the level recommended for beginning Frontier.
When you use the vigor machine, you get a massive amount of XP but unless you're level 1 or 2 when starting the NPCs still tell you to use the vigor machine. Should we check the script for the New California Vigor Testers in GECK?
Since we're level 1 during this section normally, the script is giving us a free level up to level 2 during this part, and then moving the script forwards. However, the game waits to do the next part of the script until the player is exactly level 2 to give them time to do their level up. Problem is since the logic operator is Equal To that if the player level is over 2, it'll lock up and not move forward like we saw. How can we fix this script so that it runs no matter what level the player is?
One single character, to change the operator from Equal To to Greater Than or Equal To.
This moron wrote an entire quest to keep checking the player's level over and over to make sure they didn't get too far into the game before playing New California with an entire script that also checks over and over, all because of not knowing how or bothering to to check the script where it softlocks and add an extremely obvious workaround. This is legitimately one of the most dumbest bugs I've seen packaged as a "feature" in a mod for any videogame.
holy fucking shit did they seriously write in a super mutant scientist that impregnates the protag's mother in 3 just to make the fucking thing "canon" in their own autistic mind?
these fucking retards wrote in super mutant pseudo rape just to justify their autistic lore
on the techincal side i cant have that much of an opinon beyond no shock that their script was fucking spaghetti, i wonder why in the fuck did they even implement the damn level check, they have an almost autistic obsession with balance in lore when they're already sodomizing it with a baseball bat
holy fucking shit did they seriously write in a super mutant scientist that impregnates the protag's mother in 3 just to make the fucking thing "canon" in their own autistic mind?
these fucking retards wrote in super mutant pseudo rape just to justify their autistic lore
on the techincal side i cant have that much of an opinion beyond no shock that their script was fucking spaghetti, i wonder why in the fuck did they even implement the damn level check, they have an almost autistic obsession with balance in lore when they're already sodomizing it with a baseball bat
I thought the main problem with Super Mutants is that they can't impregnate people? They're firing blanks! That's why if you have a female Chosen One in Fallout 2 who becomes Francis' gimp, she does not get pregnant, despite the fact that no condom on Earth can fit a Super Mutant's loins.
Most of these devs only pay attention to the parts of the lore they care about. The ones they don't care about are conveniently forgotten.
I thought the main problem with Super Mutants is that they can't impregnate people? They're firing blanks! That's why if you have a female Chosen One in Fallout 2 who becomes Francis' gimp, she does not get pregnant, despite the fact that no condom on Earth can fit a Super Mutant's loins.
Most of these devs only pay attention to the parts of the lore they care about. The ones they don't care about are conveniently forgotten.
The only justification for super mutants that aren't sterile is a single line fom Marcus in Fallout 2 when asked if super mutants are really sterile.
"Nope. Well, not now. It takes a few years after bein' dipped to get the juices flowing again. Why?"
One problem with that though.
"While Marcus says that he is no longer sterile, Chris Avellone, who wrote that dialogue, confirmed that Marcus was only joking and that super mutants remain entirely sterile."
